Guest guest Posted August 2, 2008 Report Share Posted August 2, 2008 Magnesium Glycinate users, What brand/companies do you get your magnesium glycinate from. What is the average dosage for good results?..powder or pills? Thanks fro your help with this, Dave Vitello , A Brameier <snakeoil.works wrote: > > Tim & Yehuda, > > I've consulted with the major rep from Metagenics and their Tech > dept. According to them, and to various articles, acidophilus does > indeed mean acid-loving, meaning it thrives in an acid environment. > I'm not sure what you meant about the stomach being higher pH after > eating. More than what? Sure, the food buffers the HCl but the > acidity soon increases; I was told at no time after eating is the > stomach more alkaline than the small intestines. > > But flora has come a long way in recent years - at least the > understanding and cultivation have. So there are indeed 'standard' > strains which are not as viable as others. Strains that survive well > to the lower bowel are chosen by the better producers. Now there are > strains known to be specific to suppressing certain baddies. And of > course, there are the 'sticky strains', which are more colonizing of > the intestines, ie. less apt to just pass thru. Metagenics, of > course, stands by their brand and guarantees potency at date of > expiration. I haven't seen that in another product. They stated that > it is now acceptable to take their flora with and away from food. > They have a dairy-free option which they suggest may benefit from > eating with food as it needs a protein carrier for better > utilization. But they denied that the reason for taking it with food > had much to do with the acid. Why was it named acidophilus? > > As for the MAGNESIUM issue, I received a bit of clarification. > Disclosure: Metagenics has a Mg Cit and a Mg Gly product. Mg Cit, > like Mg Oxide and others, is an inorganic salt. Minerals as inorganic > salts may need HCl to 'ionize' them for better absorption, which > takes place in the first few inches of the duodenum. Chelated > minerals, OTH, are absorbed further along at completely different > receptor sites, those for amino acids. So-called 'amino acid > chelates' are not necessarily true chelates; they often consist of > putting the aa together with the mineral and calling it a chelate, > but they have not been chemically combined in any way - they are > basically just 'admixes'. This is possible d/t the scant regulation > of the industry, so I was told. A true chelation will have the patent > number on the bottle. > > So - there seems ample evidence for more nearly complete absorption > of MgGly, as opposed to MgCit. I was also told that there may be a > slight advantage to taking Mg Gly away from food, just to protect it > from any risk of cleaving the chelation, although the better > chelations (ie. the higher patent numbers) will be resistant to that. > Of course, because of individual differences in digestive capacity > and complication, there may be variations in the above. A person with > certain sensitivities, for example, may still have a problem with > MgGly causing stool loosening, though this would not be the norm. The > main reason for choosing MgCit over MgGly, aside from cost, is to > treat sluggish bowel/constipation. But of course that shouldn't be > the sole or primary means of correcting that condition, except > perhaps in the transient case. > > My 2 fen, > Ann > > Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted August 2, 2008 Report Share Posted August 2, 2008 I get it from Metagenics. As a practitioner you can get the " Doctor's price " . They will ship it. (800-META-VIT) Doctor's Brand is cheaper, but I was told (by a Metagenics rep) that their MgGly chelation is a lower patent number. (And Metagenics uses glass jars.) But still effective for some. I don't know about ordering directly from them, but they may be available at local vitamin stores. 2-4 tablets is recommended dose. ann On Aug 2, 2008, at 1:31 PM, dmvitello01 wrote: > Magnesium Glycinate users, > > What brand/companies do you get your magnesium glycinate from. What is > the average dosage for good results?..powder or pills? > > Thanks fro your help with this, > Dave Vitello > > , A Brameier > <snakeoil.works wrote: > > > > Tim & Yehuda, > > > > I've consulted with the major rep from Metagenics and their Tech > > dept. According to them, and to various articles, acidophilus does > > indeed mean acid-loving, meaning it thrives in an acid environment. > > I'm not sure what you meant about the stomach being higher pH after > > eating. More than what? Sure, the food buffers the HCl but the > > acidity soon increases; I was told at no time after eating is the > > stomach more alkaline than the small intestines. > > > > But flora has come a long way in recent years - at least the > > understanding and cultivation have. So there are indeed 'standard' > > strains which are not as viable as others. Strains that survive well > > to the lower bowel are chosen by the better producers. Now there are > > strains known to be specific to suppressing certain baddies. And of > > course, there are the 'sticky strains', which are more colonizing of > > the intestines, ie. less apt to just pass thru. Metagenics, of > > course, stands by their brand and guarantees potency at date of > > expiration. I haven't seen that in another product. They stated that > > it is now acceptable to take their flora with and away from food. > > They have a dairy-free option which they suggest may benefit from > > eating with food as it needs a protein carrier for better > > utilization. But they denied that the reason for taking it with food > > had much to do with the acid. Why was it named acidophilus? > > > > As for the MAGNESIUM issue, I received a bit of clarification. > > Disclosure: Metagenics has a Mg Cit and a Mg Gly product. Mg Cit, > > like Mg Oxide and others, is an inorganic salt. Minerals as > inorganic > > salts may need HCl to 'ionize' them for better absorption, which > > takes place in the first few inches of the duodenum. Chelated > > minerals, OTH, are absorbed further along at completely different > > receptor sites, those for amino acids. So-called 'amino acid > > chelates' are not necessarily true chelates; they often consist of > > putting the aa together with the mineral and calling it a chelate, > > but they have not been chemically combined in any way - they are > > basically just 'admixes'. This is possible d/t the scant regulation > > of the industry, so I was told. A true chelation will have the > patent > > number on the bottle. > > > > So - there seems ample evidence for more nearly complete absorption > > of MgGly, as opposed to MgCit. I was also told that there may be a > > slight advantage to taking Mg Gly away from food, just to protect it > > from any risk of cleaving the chelation, although the better > > chelations (ie. the higher patent numbers) will be resistant to > that. > > Of course, because of individual differences in digestive capacity > > and complication, there may be variations in the above. A person > with > > certain sensitivities, for example, may still have a problem with > > MgGly causing stool loosening, though this would not be the norm. > The > > main reason for choosing MgCit over MgGly, aside from cost, is to > > treat sluggish bowel/constipation. But of course that shouldn't be > > the sole or primary means of correcting that condition, except > > perhaps in the transient case. > > > > My 2 fen, > > Ann > > > > > > Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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