The high fat Optimum Diet AKA Polish diet

[Guest guest]

Michael,

 

There are some major issues about the high animal fat diet:

 

In this diet, Fats are recommended in ratios of around 3 times more than

proteins and 6 times more than carbs. The diet states, " The best fats are

of animal origin, solid fats, eaten within natural animal tissues. Pork rind

will always be better than a lard, and pork dewlap better than eel or

salmon. Provided one eats optimally. Lard may by less damaging than pork

rind when eaten as a part of wrong nutrition. This won't be direct damage,

but an indirect one. The most suitable for humans are fats contained in the

yolk of a hen's egg. Those contained in quails' egg are similar, but these

eggs are far more expensive. The real value of egg yolk fats, for our body,

according to a reliable scientific investigation, is four times higher than

the value of the fat from butter or cream, and dramatically higher than the

biological (and factual) value of the remaining fats. "

 

My major concern on an ecological scale is: How many livestock animals can

be sustained on limited land and water to provide the animal fats that this

diet requires?

As an alternative, what are some of the vegetable fat sources (inferior

according to this diet) that needs to be taken 6 times more than our daily

carb intake? How much olive and coconut oil can you eat in a day?

 

In contrast to that diet, there are studies that show otherwise:

The longest lived people on the planet are the " Okinawans (who) eat a

vegetable-based diet *low in both calories and fats*, and rich in soy foods,

and they exercise regularly. " The authors of the Okinawan study conclude

that " ''A *high-carbohydrate*, low-calorie, plant-based diet is the best for

long-term health.''

" Older Okinawans, the study revealed, eat an average of seven servings of

vegetables and fruits daily, along with seven servings of grain, two

servings of soy products (rich in healthful compounds called flavonoids),

fish rich in Omega-3 fatty acids several times a week, and *very little

dairy products or meat*. "

http://www.okicent.org/news/boston_globe.html

 

There's another diet study (the largest of its kind in human history) that

was documented by T. Colin Campbell and Thomas Campbell in the book, " The

China Study " http://www.thechinastudy.com/about.html

The results from the study show that both the Okinawan and Chinese

population have the same determining factors for living out long lives.

" People who ate the most animal-based foods got the most chronic disease …

People who ate the most plant-based foods were the healthiest and tended to

avoid chronic disease. "

 

Now, the question is ... is there a genetic factor in the Asian constitution

that favors that kind of diet?

The answer is that the longest living people in the west are the Greeks.

The Mediterranean diet shows the same trend for long lives and less disease

(heart disease and cancer):

" The Mediterranean diet is rich in fruit and vegetables, and includes pasta,

bread, cereals, rice and potatoes, poultry and fish, dairy products, some

minimally-processed seasonal foods, very little meat.

It does however include two basic ingredients: olive oil

<http://health.in.gr/news/narticle.asp?arcode=5005>, which is the main

source of fat and wine <http://health.in.gr/narticle.asp?arcode=503>. "

http://www.seve.gr/sevedetrop/defaulten.htm

 

When Okinawans and Greeks move and adopt Commercial culture altering their

diet and lifestyles, their life expectancy decreases dramatically as well

(by more than 10 years, 17 years in one study for Okinawans who moved to

Brazil).

 

These vegetable based diets are also ultimately more ecologically conscious

and less sacrificing of animal life. As John Robbins writes, " The livestock

population of the United States today consumes enough grain and soybeans to

feed over five times the entire human population of the country. We feed

these animals over 80% of the corn we grow, and over 95% of the oats. It is

hard to grasp how immensely wasteful is a meat-oriented diet-style. By

cycling our grain through livestock, we end up with only 10% as many

calories available to feed human mouths as would be available if we ate the

grain directly. To supply one person with a meat habit food for a year

requires three-and-a-quarter *acres*. To supply one lacto-ovo vegetarian

with food for a year requires one-half acre. To supply one pure vegetarian

[vegan] requires only one-sixth of an acre. In other words, a given acreage

can feed twenty times as many people eating a pure vegetarian diet-style as

it could people eating the standard American diet-style. According to the

Department of Agriculture statistics, one acre of land can grow 20,000

pounds of potatoes. That same acre of land, if used to grow cattle feed, can

produce less than 165 pounds of beef. In a world in which a child dies of

starvation every two seconds, an agricultural system designed to feed our

meat habit is a blasphemy. "

 

From the volume of literature out there, the diets that are high in Omega 3

essential fatty acids (but not 6 times more than carbs), antioxidants and

fiber (from fruits and vegetables) and clean water and air seem to be the

most important factors. Daily exercise and a positive attitude and

relationship with self and community seem to be the keys to long life and

less dis-ease. Although I agree that egg yolks (pure jing) are extremely

nutritious, (just ask Michael Phelps who eats 8 eggs/ every morning for his

12000 calorie daily food intake), for non-Olympic athletes, triathletes like

Dave Scott, monks of all walks of life, and the rest of the world's

population, a high vegetable diet seems to make a lot more sense and the

evidence is definitely out there.

If people want to lose weight, the best way is to simply exercise. If

people eat high animal fat diets and don't exercise, are they really going

to be healthier?

K.

 

 

On Mon, Aug 18, 2008 at 1:36 AM, Michael Tierra <mtierrawrote:

 

> <http://homodiet.netfirms.com/index.html>

> http://homodiet.netfirms.com/index.html

>

> Completely opposite to everything that is taught about nutrition. This is

> not a high protein diet, it is a HIGH FAT diet and it precisely works for

> everything that the high fat diet is supposed to cause.

>

> Very specific diet for the so called Syndrome X condition, diabetes, high

> blood pressure, overweight, high cholesterol, triglycerides, etc.

>

> That's right, its perhaps the most effective diet for weight loss. Fat

> doesn't cause fat is the latest buzzword in the upper echelons of the

> nutrition world.

>

> I would definitely include at least a couple of tablespoons of coconut oil

> daily with this diet.

>

> I have found excellent results for individuals who eat the high fat bacon

> and eggs recipe each morning. I think the problem with fat is when it is

> eaten with grain and sugar based carbohydrates, not when it is eaten with

> protein and vegetables alone.

>

> Despite TCM claims to the contrary that the diet would cause dampness and

> phlegm, the evidence is that it works to 'cure' the conditions that Western

> medicine and TCM claim such a diet would cause.

>

> I'd be very interested in reading any of your opinions or impressions of

> this diet.

> <

> http://geo./serv?s=97359714/grpId=201013/grpspId=1705060815/msgId=

> 43475/stime=1219021261/nc1=5191951/nc2=5191945/nc3=5379224>

>

>

>

[Guest guest]

Dear John, I really appreciate your thoughtful reply and I doubt that any

thoughtful person can draw absolute conclusions from either side of the

camp. I wonder what Traditional has to say about these

aspects of diet. High fat and high protein would be excess dampness. Fat

nourishes yin -- how much yin deficiency is in Western society and protein

generally is yang -- stimulates metabolism.

 

So lifestyle, climate and geography all play into issues of diet. It does

seem at least at this juncture of history that an excess of grain and legume

based carbs have and are taking its toll. I've met many people who describe

themselves as craving fats and thus we have the potato and tortilla chip

phenomenon.

 

Now if we could eat fish, eggs, some dairy, vegetables (mostly cooked) and

seasonal fruits I think we would all be doing pretty well.

 

Michael Tierra

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

On Behalf Of

Wednesday, August 20, 2008 6:31 AM

 

Re: The high fat Optimum Diet AKA Polish diet

 

Michael,

 

There are some major issues about the high animal fat diet:

 

In this diet, Fats are recommended in ratios of around 3 times more than

proteins and 6 times more than carbs. The diet states, " The best fats are

of animal origin, solid fats, eaten within natural animal tissues. Pork rind

will always be better than a lard, and pork dewlap better than eel or

salmon. Provided one eats optimally. Lard may by less damaging than pork

rind when eaten as a part of wrong nutrition. This won't be direct damage,

but an indirect one. The most suitable for humans are fats contained in the

yolk of a hen's egg. Those contained in quails' egg are similar, but these

eggs are far more expensive. The real value of egg yolk fats, for our body,

according to a reliable scientific investigation, is four times higher than

the value of the fat from butter or cream, and dramatically higher than the

biological (and factual) value of the remaining fats. "

 

My major concern on an ecological scale is: How many livestock animals can

be sustained on limited land and water to provide the animal fats that this

diet requires?

As an alternative, what are some of the vegetable fat sources (inferior

according to this diet) that needs to be taken 6 times more than our daily

carb intake? How much olive and coconut oil can you eat in a day?

 

In contrast to that diet, there are studies that show otherwise:

The longest lived people on the planet are the " Okinawans (who) eat a

vegetable-based diet *low in both calories and fats*, and rich in soy foods,

and they exercise regularly. " The authors of the Okinawan study conclude

that " ''A *high-carbohydrate*, low-calorie, plant-based diet is the best for

long-term health.''

" Older Okinawans, the study revealed, eat an average of seven servings of

vegetables and fruits daily, along with seven servings of grain, two

servings of soy products (rich in healthful compounds called flavonoids),

fish rich in Omega-3 fatty acids several times a week, and *very little

dairy products or meat*. "

http://www.okicent.org/news/boston_globe.html

 

There's another diet study (the largest of its kind in human history) that

was documented by T. Colin Campbell and Thomas Campbell in the book, " The

China Study " http://www.thechinastudy.com/about.html

The results from the study show that both the Okinawan and Chinese

population have the same determining factors for living out long lives.

" People who ate the most animal-based foods got the most chronic disease .

People who ate the most plant-based foods were the healthiest and tended to

avoid chronic disease. "

 

Now, the question is ... is there a genetic factor in the Asian constitution

that favors that kind of diet?

The answer is that the longest living people in the west are the Greeks.

The Mediterranean diet shows the same trend for long lives and less disease

(heart disease and cancer):

" The Mediterranean diet is rich in fruit and vegetables, and includes pasta,

bread, cereals, rice and potatoes, poultry and fish, dairy products, some

minimally-processed seasonal foods, very little meat.

It does however include two basic ingredients: olive oil

<http://health.in.gr/news/narticle.asp?arcode=5005>, which is the main

source of fat and wine <http://health.in.gr/narticle.asp?arcode=503>. "

http://www.seve.gr/sevedetrop/defaulten.htm

 

When Okinawans and Greeks move and adopt Commercial culture altering their

diet and lifestyles, their life expectancy decreases dramatically as well

(by more than 10 years, 17 years in one study for Okinawans who moved to

Brazil).

 

These vegetable based diets are also ultimately more ecologically conscious

and less sacrificing of animal life. As John Robbins writes, " The livestock

population of the United States today consumes enough grain and soybeans to

feed over five times the entire human population of the country. We feed

these animals over 80% of the corn we grow, and over 95% of the oats. It is

hard to grasp how immensely wasteful is a meat-oriented diet-style. By

cycling our grain through livestock, we end up with only 10% as many

calories available to feed human mouths as would be available if we ate the

grain directly. To supply one person with a meat habit food for a year

requires three-and-a-quarter *acres*. To supply one lacto-ovo vegetarian

with food for a year requires one-half acre. To supply one pure vegetarian

[vegan] requires only one-sixth of an acre. In other words, a given acreage

can feed twenty times as many people eating a pure vegetarian diet-style as

it could people eating the standard American diet-style. According to the

Department of Agriculture statistics, one acre of land can grow 20,000

pounds of potatoes. That same acre of land, if used to grow cattle feed, can

produce less than 165 pounds of beef. In a world in which a child dies of

starvation every two seconds, an agricultural system designed to feed our

meat habit is a blasphemy. "

 

From the volume of literature out there, the diets that are high in Omega 3

essential fatty acids (but not 6 times more than carbs), antioxidants and

fiber (from fruits and vegetables) and clean water and air seem to be the

most important factors. Daily exercise and a positive attitude and

relationship with self and community seem to be the keys to long life and

less dis-ease. Although I agree that egg yolks (pure jing) are extremely

nutritious, (just ask Michael Phelps who eats 8 eggs/ every morning for his

12000 calorie daily food intake), for non-Olympic athletes, triathletes like

Dave Scott, monks of all walks of life, and the rest of the world's

population, a high vegetable diet seems to make a lot more sense and the

evidence is definitely out there.

If people want to lose weight, the best way is to simply exercise. If

people eat high animal fat diets and don't exercise, are they really going

to be healthier?

K.

 

 

On Mon, Aug 18, 2008 at 1:36 AM, Michael Tierra

<mtierrawrote:

 

> <http://homodiet.netfirms.com/index.html>

> http://homodiet.netfirms.com/index.html

>

> Completely opposite to everything that is taught about nutrition. This

> is not a high protein diet, it is a HIGH FAT diet and it precisely

> works for everything that the high fat diet is supposed to cause.

>

> Very specific diet for the so called Syndrome X condition, diabetes,

> high blood pressure, overweight, high cholesterol, triglycerides, etc.

>

> That's right, its perhaps the most effective diet for weight loss. Fat

> doesn't cause fat is the latest buzzword in the upper echelons of the

> nutrition world.

>

> I would definitely include at least a couple of tablespoons of coconut

> oil daily with this diet.

>

> I have found excellent results for individuals who eat the high fat

> bacon and eggs recipe each morning. I think the problem with fat is

> when it is eaten with grain and sugar based carbohydrates, not when it

> is eaten with protein and vegetables alone.

>

> Despite TCM claims to the contrary that the diet would cause dampness

> and phlegm, the evidence is that it works to 'cure' the conditions

> that Western medicine and TCM claim such a diet would cause.

>

> I'd be very interested in reading any of your opinions or impressions

> of this diet.

> <

> http://geo./serv?s=97359714/grpId=201013/grpspId=1705060815/m

> sgId= 43475/stime=1219021261/nc1=5191951/nc2=5191945/nc3=5379224>

>

>

>

[Guest guest]

Michael,

Yes.. I agree that this is an important subject, since our diet is our best

medicine and also our worst poison as well.

To look at another perspective, which counters the " China Study "

conclusions; from the Weston Price studies (which vibes more with the

" Optimal Diet's " guidelines), a lack of the X-factor (which seems to be

especially Omega 3's or Vitamin K2), and the modern world's obsession with

refined sugars, seems to be the major cause of tooth decay, jaw narrowing,

osteoporosis (these signs pointing to jing deficiency) and other chronic

disease, such as diabetes, cancer and heart disease. Since Weston Price was

a ethnographic dentist, he analyzed precise statistics of tribes and clans

from around the world at a crucial turning point in human history (from

nomadic states of existence to domesticated reliance on commercial products)

to come to the conclusion that humans should go back to eating organ meats

of animals (high in Omega 3s, Vit K2 and fat soluble vitamins and minerals),

raw milk (with enzymes still intact) and whole grains and vegetables, as our

not-so-distant ancestors did and as many groups still practice (ie... organ

meats and crunchy bugs on sale on sidewalks across Asia).

To support the call for more " healthy fats " in our diet, there is this

evidence:

" It was when Price analyzed the fat soluble vitamins that he got a real

surprise. The diets of healthy native groups contained at least *ten* times

more vitamin A and vitamin D than the American diet of his day! These

vitamins are found only in animal fats--butter, lard, egg yolks, fish oils

and foods with fat-rich cellular membranes like liver and other organ meats,

fish eggs and shell fish. Price describes the fat soluble vitamins as

" catalysts " or " activators " upon which the assimilation of all the other

nutrients depended--protein, minerals and vitamins. In other words, without

the dietary factors found in animal fats, all the other nutrients largely go

to waste. "

http://www.westonaprice.org/bookreviews/napd.html

 

So, what is the translation of these " healthy fats " into TCM?

My guess would be " Jing and Blood " . Egg yolks, Organ meats etc...

Vitamin A for eyes (blood); Vitamin D for bones (jing)

Animal Liver high in B complex = tonifying Blood;

Traditional use of eating Kidneys and adrenal glands = tonifying Jing.

Consumption of Brains and Eyes and Marrow of Bones all point to the

enrichment of Jing and Blood.

As a global civilization, we are definitely Yin deficient. Jing and Blood

belong to Yin.

 

Herbally, certain seeds are high in fat content and have the traditional

functions of tonifying Jing and Blood...Hei zhi ma, Bai zi ren, Hu tao

ren...

Animal products tonify Jing and Yin or Yang as well... Dong chong xia cao,

Ge jie, Hai guo shen, Hai long, Hai ma, Hai shen, Human and Pig Placenta and

Deer antler products.

E jiao (ass hide glue) and Pig's feet taken after pregnancy tonify blood.

So, generally, I think that we could say that " healthy fats " can tonify Jing

and Blood.

 

What about " unhealthy fats " ?

These are probably the damp/phlegm toxins that lead to degenerative disease

and obesity.

 

In Ayurveda, ghee is seen as Sattvic and is akin to tonifying jing.

What are organ meats classified under in that system?

 

K.

[Guest guest]

My understanding is that red meat is tamasic --dulling and heavy -- probably

dampening in TCM but I'm asking Todd Caldecott for him to weigh about this.

 

_____

 

 

On Behalf Of

Thursday, August 21, 2008 5:59 AM

 

Re: The high fat Optimum Diet AKA Polish diet

 

 

 

Michael,

Yes.. I agree that this is an important subject, since our diet is our best

medicine and also our worst poison as well.

To look at another perspective, which counters the " China Study "

conclusions; from the Weston Price studies (which vibes more with the

" Optimal Diet's " guidelines), a lack of the X-factor (which seems to be

especially Omega 3's or Vitamin K2), and the modern world's obsession with

refined sugars, seems to be the major cause of tooth decay, jaw narrowing,

osteoporosis (these signs pointing to jing deficiency) and other chronic

disease, such as diabetes, cancer and heart disease. Since Weston Price was

a ethnographic dentist, he analyzed precise statistics of tribes and clans

from around the world at a crucial turning point in human history (from

nomadic states of existence to domesticated reliance on commercial products)

to come to the conclusion that humans should go back to eating organ meats

of animals (high in Omega 3s, Vit K2 and fat soluble vitamins and minerals),

raw milk (with enzymes still intact) and whole grains and vegetables, as our

not-so-distant ancestors did and as many groups still practice (ie... organ

meats and crunchy bugs on sale on sidewalks across Asia).

To support the call for more " healthy fats " in our diet, there is this

evidence:

" It was when Price analyzed the fat soluble vitamins that he got a real

surprise. The diets of healthy native groups contained at least *ten* times

more vitamin A and vitamin D than the American diet of his day! These

vitamins are found only in animal fats--butter, lard, egg yolks, fish oils

and foods with fat-rich cellular membranes like liver and other organ meats,

fish eggs and shell fish. Price describes the fat soluble vitamins as

" catalysts " or " activators " upon which the assimilation of all the other

nutrients depended--protein, minerals and vitamins. In other words, without

the dietary factors found in animal fats, all the other nutrients largely go

to waste. "

http://www.westonap <http://www.westonaprice.org/bookreviews/napd.html>

rice.org/bookreviews/napd.html

 

So, what is the translation of these " healthy fats " into TCM?

My guess would be " Jing and Blood " . Egg yolks, Organ meats etc...

Vitamin A for eyes (blood); Vitamin D for bones (jing)

Animal Liver high in B complex = tonifying Blood;

Traditional use of eating Kidneys and adrenal glands = tonifying Jing.

Consumption of Brains and Eyes and Marrow of Bones all point to the

enrichment of Jing and Blood.

As a global civilization, we are definitely Yin deficient. Jing and Blood

belong to Yin.

 

Herbally, certain seeds are high in fat content and have the traditional

functions of tonifying Jing and Blood...Hei zhi ma, Bai zi ren, Hu tao

ren...

Animal products tonify Jing and Yin or Yang as well... Dong chong xia cao,

Ge jie, Hai guo shen, Hai long, Hai ma, Hai shen, Human and Pig Placenta and

Deer antler products.

E jiao (ass hide glue) and Pig's feet taken after pregnancy tonify blood.

So, generally, I think that we could say that " healthy fats " can tonify Jing

and Blood.

 

What about " unhealthy fats " ?

These are probably the damp/phlegm toxins that lead to degenerative disease

and obesity.

 

In Ayurveda, ghee is seen as Sattvic and is akin to tonifying jing.

What are organ meats classified under in that system?

 

K.