Guest guest Posted August 24, 2008 Report Share Posted August 24, 2008 Hi Jason,  You're the Colorado guy, we don't have much of a problem with ticks here in the LA area (except in woody areas, which we don't have much of here, unfortunately), so I'm sure that you know of what you speak. I was under the impression, though, that the Anti-borrelia burgdorferi IgM/IgG test was pretty accurate to determine exposure to the bug, and then, if it was positive, then a Westerm blot is done to confirm the presence of specific antibodies to the bacterium that causes Lyme's disease. Lastly, A DNA-based test based on the polymerase chain reaction (PCR) may also be done and is even more sensitive; it is used to detect the genetic material of the infecting bacteria. Taken together, these tests should pretty clearly confirm a diagnosis.  --- On Sun, 8/24/08, wrote: RE: lymphedema case　；Lyme Sunday, August 24, 2008, 8:48 PM Y, I do not think there is any simple blood test for diagnosing Lyme’s disease. They are notorious for false positive as well as negatives. -Jason _____ [] On Behalf Of yehuda frischman Sunday, August 24, 2008 8:05 PM Re: lymphedema case Hi Julie, A few comments. As the 2nd practitioner you consulted, noted it sounds like you have toxic heat from the insect bite. As it might be a tick, it would behoove you to get tested to see if you have Lyme's disease. (It's a simple blood test). Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted August 25, 2008 Report Share Posted August 25, 2008 OK, but the point I tried to make is that there is a logical deductive protocol to follow when it is suspected. Though not perfect, it's all biomedicine has. But then again, and this is essential: WE DO NOT TREAT WESTERN DISEASES, WE TREAT PATTERNS! And no matter what name you call it or what pathogen is suspected, would we treat that patient any differerent if the tongue, pulses and history and presentation were consistant with toxic heat pathogen?  --- On Mon, 8/25/08, wrote: RE: lymphedema case　；Lyme Monday, August 25, 2008, 7:12 AM Y, I disagree and you can research if you like. Diagnosing Lyme is no easy chore. I have worked with experts in Lyme and they all say the same thing. -Jason _____ [] On Behalf Of yehuda frischman Sunday, August 24, 2008 10:09 PM RE: lymphedema case　；Lyme Hi Jason, You're the Colorado guy, we don't have much of a problem with ticks here in the LA area (except in woody areas, which we don't have much of here, unfortunately) , so I'm sure that you know of what you speak. I was under the impression, though, that the Anti-borrelia burgdorferi IgM/IgG test was pretty accurate to determine exposure to the bug, and then, if it was positive, then a Westerm blot is done to confirm the presence of specific antibodies to the bacterium that causes Lyme's disease. Lastly, A DNA-based test based on the polymerase chain reaction (PCR) may also be done and is even more sensitive; it is used to detect the genetic material of the infecting bacteria. Taken together, these tests should pretty clearly confirm a diagnosis. www.traditionaljewi shmedicine. net --- On Sun, 8/24/08, <@chineseme d <% 40chinesemedicin edoc.com> icinedoc.com> wrote: <@chineseme d <% 40chinesemedicin edoc.com> icinedoc.com> RE: lymphedema case　；Lyme @ <chineseherb academy%40g roups.com> . com Sunday, August 24, 2008, 8:48 PM Y, I do not think there is any simple blood test for diagnosing Lyme’s disease. They are notorious for false positive as well as negatives. -Jason _____ [chineseherb academy] On Behalf Of yehuda frischman Sunday, August 24, 2008 8:05 PM Re: lymphedema case Hi Julie, A few comments. As the 2nd practitioner you consulted, noted it sounds like you have toxic heat from the insect bite. As it might be a tick, it would behoove you to get tested to see if you have Lyme's disease. (It's a simple blood test). Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted August 26, 2008 Report Share Posted August 26, 2008 Frightening!  --- On Tue, 8/26/08, wrote: RE: lymphedema case　；Lyme Tuesday, August 26, 2008, 2:46 PM For those unaware, Lyme testing is very complex and has some pretty entangled political agendas. Interestingly I just received an email (about Lyme) about 5 minutes ago. It is from prominent MD. I think it pretty much speaks to Yehuda’s assertion about Lyme having a simple blood test. Here is a quick exert. “There will be a new group appointed to review the totally incorrect guidelines about Lyme that have caused so much havoc in the lives of patients. They were designed to save insurance companies money and to try to keep a lid on the exploding problem of high levels of total body burdens of pathogens we are encountering today in our increasingly immune compromised patients. There is no shortage of infections for those that choose to try to accurately diagnose Hepatitis, Mycoplasma, Staph, Strep, MRSA, and Candida etc. You may want to apply to be on the committee or have suggestions about someone that might apply. We need to correct the nonsense that has led to doctors almost losing their licenses for prescribing antibiotics to Lyme patients. One Atty General in Washington State told me he needed to make an example of the doctor, as he told me Lyme does not exist. If you read the announcement about Mayo Clinic proceedings in which they admit none of the tests are any good for Lyme and a therapeutic trial of antibiotics may be the only way to determine whose has this, you realize that we now are in a new world.†-Jason _____ [] On Behalf Of Monday, August 25, 2008 7:19 PM RE: lymphedema case　；Lyme Yehuda, If you reread my initial post, the only issue I have is you said “it would behoove you to get tested to see if you have Lyme's disease. (It's a simple blood test).†This is just not true. There is so much controversy around protocols and testing in regard to Lyme, that once you get into the trenches and start treating this “disease†it is a black hole. IMHO, there is nothing logical or simple about it. -Jason _____ @ <chineseherb academy%40g roups.com> . com [chineseherb academy@ <chineseherb academy%40g roups.com> . com] On Behalf Of yehuda frischman Monday, August 25, 2008 11:07 AM @ <chineseherb academy%40g roups.com> . com RE: lymphedema case　；Lyme OK, but the point I tried to make is that there is a logical deductive protocol to follow when it is suspected. Though not perfect, it's all biomedicine has. But then again, and this is essential: WE DO NOT TREAT WESTERN DISEASES, WE TREAT PATTERNS! And no matter what name you call it or what pathogen is suspected, would we treat that patient any differerent if the tongue, pulses and history and presentation were consistant with toxic heat pathogen? www.traditionaljewi shmedicine. net --- On Mon, 8/25/08, <@chineseme d <% 40chinesemedicin edoc.com> icinedoc.com> wrote: <@chineseme d <% 40chinesemedicin edoc.com> icinedoc.com> RE: lymphedema case　；Lyme @ <chineseherb academy%40g roups.com> . com Monday, August 25, 2008, 7:12 AM Y, I disagree and you can research if you like. Diagnosing Lyme is no easy chore. I have worked with experts in Lyme and they all say the same thing. -Jason _____ [chineseherb academy] On Behalf Of yehuda frischman Sunday, August 24, 2008 10:09 PM RE: lymphedema case　；Lyme Hi Jason, You're the Colorado guy, we don't have much of a problem with ticks here in the LA area (except in woody areas, which we don't have much of here, unfortunately) , so I'm sure that you know of what you speak. I was under the impression, though, that the Anti-borrelia burgdorferi IgM/IgG test was pretty accurate to determine exposure to the bug, and then, if it was positive, then a Westerm blot is done to confirm the presence of specific antibodies to the bacterium that causes Lyme's disease. Lastly, A DNA-based test based on the polymerase chain reaction (PCR) may also be done and is even more sensitive; it is used to detect the genetic material of the infecting bacteria. Taken together, these tests should pretty clearly confirm a diagnosis. www.traditionaljewi shmedicine. net --- On Sun, 8/24/08, <@chineseme d <% 40chinesemedicin edoc.com> icinedoc.com> wrote: <@chineseme d <% 40chinesemedicin edoc.com> icinedoc.com> RE: lymphedema case　；Lyme @ <chineseherb academy%40g roups.com> . com Sunday, August 24, 2008, 8:48 PM Y, I do not think there is any simple blood test for diagnosing Lyme’s disease. They are notorious for false positive as well as negatives. -Jason _____ [chineseherb academy] On Behalf Of yehuda frischman Sunday, August 24, 2008 8:05 PM Re: lymphedema case Hi Julie, A few comments. As the 2nd practitioner you consulted, noted it sounds like you have toxic heat from the insect bite. As it might be a tick, it would behoove you to get tested to see if you have Lyme's disease. (It's a simple blood test). Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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