Women who gains weight every time she uses herbs or even multivitamins

[Guest guest]

Hello all,

 

I hope you can help me. I am treating a 60 y.o. woman for

hypertension that stems from liver and kidney yin vacuity. He pulse

is extremely wiry and rapid. Her tongue is very pale, swollen, teeth

marks, center crack and white coating. She is also suffering from

tremors in her right hand and right leg. I put her on Blue Poppy

formula HyperQuell which contains:

 

Hong Jin Tian (Herba Rhodiolae Roseae)

Suan Zao Ren (Semen Zizyphi Spinosae)

Tai Zi Shen (Radix Pseudostellariae)

Gou Teng (Ramulus Uncariae Cum Uncis)

Dan Shen (Radix Salviae Miltiorrhizae)

Huang Qi (Radix Astragali)

Ge Gen (Radix Puerariae)

Ci Ji Li (Fructus Tribuli Terrestris)

Tian Ma Mi Huan Jun (Armillaria)

Ju Hua (Flos Chrysanthemi)

Fu Ling (Poria)

Bai Shao (Radix Paeoniae Albae)

Sheng Ma (Rhizoma Cimicifugae)

 

And I also gave her Lui Wei Di Huang. Every time she takes any herbs

or even vitamins she puts several inches on her waistline with

absolutely no changes in her diet or activity level. A teacher of

mine suggested to add wu ling san because he felt she was just

retaining water. This did not help in the least. Her blood pressure

did go down markedly with the two formulas but the patient is not

willing to keep getting fatter and fatter. As I said, she also puts

on weight just from taking vitamins as well. Can anyone give me some

insight as to what may be happening and how to fix it? It would be

much appreciated.

 

Thanks in advance,

 

Kimberly Marin AP, RD

www.kimberlymarin .com

Sunrise, FL

[Guest guest]

On Sun, Sep 21, 2008 at 9:18 PM, kimmymarin <kimmymarin wrote:

 

> the patient is not

> willing to keep getting fatter and fatter. As I said, she also puts

> on weight just from taking vitamins as well. Can anyone give me some

> insight as to what may be happening and how to fix it?

>

 

 

 

 

 

 

Do you have any means by which you can quantify this weight gain? Perhaps

this is a gut sensation hypersensitivity thing such as is found in IBS? My

theory is that she's not gaining weight, but maintains this perception for

whatever reason.

 

Bloating and water can certain arise from herbs, vitamins, or food. But

these are transitory things. Have you personally witnessed these changes in

her size?

 

--

, DAOM

Pain is inevitable, suffering is optional.

 

 

 

[Guest guest]

Doesn't surprise me. I put on weight with tonics as well. I am

currently trying to ignore my ever expanding waist line in hopes of

getting pregnant at 41 years old (hence the need for tonics). I've

seen this with other patients as well. Circulating the liver can

help, and adding some Chen Pi.

 

 

 

 

 

, " kimmymarin "

<kimmymarin wrote:

>

> Hello all,

>

> I hope you can help me. I am treating a 60 y.o. woman for

> hypertension that stems from liver and kidney yin vacuity. He

pulse

> is extremely wiry and rapid. Her tongue is very pale, swollen,

teeth

> marks, center crack and white coating. She is also suffering from

> tremors in her right hand and right leg. I put her on Blue Poppy

> formula HyperQuell which contains:

>

> Hong Jin Tian (Herba Rhodiolae Roseae)

> Suan Zao Ren (Semen Zizyphi Spinosae)

> Tai Zi Shen (Radix Pseudostellariae)

> Gou Teng (Ramulus Uncariae Cum Uncis)

> Dan Shen (Radix Salviae Miltiorrhizae)

> Huang Qi (Radix Astragali)

> Ge Gen (Radix Puerariae)

> Ci Ji Li (Fructus Tribuli Terrestris)

> Tian Ma Mi Huan Jun (Armillaria)

> Ju Hua (Flos Chrysanthemi)

> Fu Ling (Poria)

> Bai Shao (Radix Paeoniae Albae)

> Sheng Ma (Rhizoma Cimicifugae)

>

> And I also gave her Lui Wei Di Huang. Every time she takes any

herbs

> or even vitamins she puts several inches on her waistline with

> absolutely no changes in her diet or activity level. A teacher of

> mine suggested to add wu ling san because he felt she was just

> retaining water. This did not help in the least. Her blood

pressure

> did go down markedly with the two formulas but the patient is not

> willing to keep getting fatter and fatter. As I said, she also

puts

> on weight just from taking vitamins as well. Can anyone give me

some

> insight as to what may be happening and how to fix it? It would be

> much appreciated.

>

> Thanks in advance,

>

> Kimberly Marin AP, RD

> www.kimberlymarin .com

> Sunrise, FL

>

[Guest guest]

no...this is not a perception. her clothes no longer fit her and the

scale goes up. it is not bloating. there is no uncomfortable

sensation. just the feeling you get when you have put on 10 pounds

and your clothes are too small. this is real weight gain and not

just water.

 

, " Al Stone " <al wrote:

>

> On Sun, Sep 21, 2008 at 9:18 PM, kimmymarin <kimmymarin wrote:

>

> > the patient is not

> > willing to keep getting fatter and fatter. As I said, she also

puts

> > on weight just from taking vitamins as well. Can anyone give me

some

> > insight as to what may be happening and how to fix it?

> >

Do you have any means by which you can quantify this weight gain?

Perhaps

> this is a gut sensation hypersensitivity thing such as is found in

IBS? My

> theory is that she's not gaining weight, but maintains this

perception for

> whatever reason.

>

> Bloating and water can certain arise from herbs, vitamins, or food.

But

> these are transitory things. Have you personally witnessed these

changes in

> her size?

>

> --

> , DAOM

> Pain is inevitable, suffering is optional.

>

>

>

[Guest guest]

ok... i will try some liver moving formulas. i believe i tried chen

pi to no avail.

 

, " heylaurag "

<heylaurag wrote:

>

> Doesn't surprise me. I put on weight with tonics as well. I am

> currently trying to ignore my ever expanding waist line in hopes of

> getting pregnant at 41 years old (hence the need for tonics). I've

> seen this with other patients as well. Circulating the liver can

> help, and adding some Chen Pi.

>

>

>

>

>

> , " kimmymarin "

> <kimmymarin@> wrote:

> >

> > Hello all,

> >

> > I hope you can help me. I am treating a 60 y.o. woman for

> > hypertension that stems from liver and kidney yin vacuity. He

> pulse

> > is extremely wiry and rapid. Her tongue is very pale, swollen,

> teeth

> > marks, center crack and white coating. She is also suffering

from

> > tremors in her right hand and right leg. I put her on Blue Poppy

> > formula HyperQuell which contains:

> >

> > Hong Jin Tian (Herba Rhodiolae Roseae)

> > Suan Zao Ren (Semen Zizyphi Spinosae)

> > Tai Zi Shen (Radix Pseudostellariae)

> > Gou Teng (Ramulus Uncariae Cum Uncis)

> > Dan Shen (Radix Salviae Miltiorrhizae)

> > Huang Qi (Radix Astragali)

> > Ge Gen (Radix Puerariae)

> > Ci Ji Li (Fructus Tribuli Terrestris)

> > Tian Ma Mi Huan Jun (Armillaria)

> > Ju Hua (Flos Chrysanthemi)

> > Fu Ling (Poria)

> > Bai Shao (Radix Paeoniae Albae)

> > Sheng Ma (Rhizoma Cimicifugae)

> >

> > And I also gave her Lui Wei Di Huang. Every time she takes any

> herbs

> > or even vitamins she puts several inches on her waistline with

> > absolutely no changes in her diet or activity level. A teacher

of

> > mine suggested to add wu ling san because he felt she was just

> > retaining water. This did not help in the least. Her blood

> pressure

> > did go down markedly with the two formulas but the patient is not

> > willing to keep getting fatter and fatter. As I said, she also

> puts

> > on weight just from taking vitamins as well. Can anyone give me

> some

> > insight as to what may be happening and how to fix it? It would

be

> > much appreciated.

> >

> > Thanks in advance,

> >

> > Kimberly Marin AP, RD

> > www.kimberlymarin .com

> > Sunrise, FL

> >

>