Guest guest Posted October 27, 2008 Report Share Posted October 27, 2008 Dear colleagues, Anyone out there with experience treating people with burnt throat? My patient is a mentally disabled and autistic woman whom I have treated before for drooling. Recently she drank a misplaced bottle (chemical unblocker) which resulted in a severely burnt throat with swelling and inflammation. She is being fed with a probe. She has been on antibiotics for many weeks and the doctors would like to try a surgery (balloon technique) to open up her oesophagus. They admit that the surgery is risky and can result in tears and scars. She also has a cough which, according to her specialist, is due to a dry cough but which sounds rattling because of her ptyalism. She is in a lot of pain. She can communicate with sign language. Her family would like to try acupuncture and Chinese herbs before the surgery. Her tongue is red and peeled, as it has always been. Her pulse is fast and slippery. I looked up some formulas in a Chinese book on throat diseases under yan gan °öáÑ and came up with this: niu bang zi 30 bo he 9 jin yin hua 20 lian qiao 20 zhi zi 9 ma bo 9 xuan shen 9 she gan 15 zi su geng 12 ban xia 12 any comments/ advise? Thank Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted October 27, 2008 Report Share Posted October 27, 2008 I would nourish yin more... -Jason Tom Verhaeghe Monday, October 27, 2008 7:48 PM burnt throat Dear colleagues, Anyone out there with experience treating people with burnt throat? My patient is a mentally disabled and autistic woman whom I have treated before for drooling. Recently she drank a misplaced bottle (chemical unblocker) which resulted in a severely burnt throat with swelling and inflammation. She is being fed with a probe. She has been on antibiotics for many weeks and the doctors would like to try a surgery (balloon technique) to open up her oesophagus. They admit that the surgery is risky and can result in tears and scars. She also has a cough which, according to her specialist, is due to a dry cough but which sounds rattling because of her ptyalism. She is in a lot of pain. She can communicate with sign language. Her family would like to try acupuncture and Chinese herbs before the surgery. Her tongue is red and peeled, as it has always been. Her pulse is fast and slippery. I looked up some formulas in a Chinese book on throat diseases under yan gan °öáÑ and came up with this: niu bang zi 30 bo he 9 jin yin hua 20 lian qiao 20 zhi zi 9 ma bo 9 xuan shen 9 she gan 15 zi su geng 12 ban xia 12 any comments/ advise? Thank Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted October 27, 2008 Report Share Posted October 27, 2008 i think ma bo is a good choice: it is specific for bleeding: Jin yin hua is sweet and can helpt o reduce inflammation. but i would focus on soothing, mucilaginous herbs like ba ji or slippery elm or licorice. and beyond that, i agree with Jason: cooling wet yin tonics. On Oct 27, 2008, at 7:51 AM, wrote: > I would nourish yin more... > > -Jason > > Tom Verhaeghe > Monday, October 27, 2008 7:48 PM > > burnt throat > > Dear colleagues, > > Anyone out there with experience treating people with burnt throat? > > My patient is a mentally disabled and autistic woman whom I have > treated > before for drooling. > > Recently she drank a misplaced bottle (chemical unblocker) which > resulted in > a severely burnt throat with swelling and inflammation. She is being > fed > with a probe. She has been on antibiotics for many weeks and the > doctors > would like to try a surgery (balloon technique) to open up her > oesophagus. > They admit that the surgery is risky and can result in tears and > scars. She > also has a cough which, according to her specialist, is due to a dry > cough > but which sounds rattling because of her ptyalism. She is in a lot > of pain. > She can communicate with sign language. > > Her family would like to try acupuncture and Chinese herbs before the > surgery. > > Her tongue is red and peeled, as it has always been. Her pulse is > fast and > slippery. > > I looked up some formulas in a Chinese book on throat diseases under > yan gan > 咽疳 and came up with this: > > niu bang zi 30 > > bo he 9 > > jin yin hua 20 > > lian qiao 20 > > zhi zi 9 > > ma bo 9 > > xuan shen 9 > > she gan 15 > > zi su geng 12 > > ban xia 12 > > any comments/ advise? > > Thank > > Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted October 27, 2008 Report Share Posted October 27, 2008 Sipping on an aloe drink should help. They are available in health food stores. Typically these products also include marshmallow root and/or slippery elm, which are also soothing to irritated mucus membranes. - Bill Schoenbart , " Tom Verhaeghe " <tom.verhaeghe wrote: > > Dear colleagues, > > > > Anyone out there with experience treating people with burnt throat? > > > > My patient is a mentally disabled and autistic woman whom I have treated > before for drooling. > > Recently she drank a misplaced bottle (chemical unblocker) which resulted in > a severely burnt throat with swelling and inflammation. She is being fed > with a probe. She has been on antibiotics for many weeks and the doctors > would like to try a surgery (balloon technique) to open up her oesophagus. > They admit that the surgery is risky and can result in tears and scars. She > also has a cough which, according to her specialist, is due to a dry cough > but which sounds rattling because of her ptyalism. She is in a lot of pain. > She can communicate with sign language. > > > > Her family would like to try acupuncture and Chinese herbs before the > surgery. > > > > Her tongue is red and peeled, as it has always been. Her pulse is fast and > slippery. > > > > I looked up some formulas in a Chinese book on throat diseases under yan gan > °öáÑ and came up with this: > > > > niu bang zi 30 > > bo he 9 > > jin yin hua 20 > > lian qiao 20 > > zhi zi 9 > > ma bo 9 > > xuan shen 9 > > she gan 15 > > zi su geng 12 > > ban xia 12 > > > > any comments/ advise? > > > > Thank > > > > > > Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted October 27, 2008 Report Share Posted October 27, 2008 Tom, So far I agree with all that has been said, I particularly agree with Bill's suggestion. I would also like to add a suggestion. The western herbs plantain leaf (also used in CM che qian cao), St. John's Wort (guan ye lian qiao), and calendula are excellent for tissue damage of this type. You can see monographs on the first two in my book and the third will be found in the forthcoming second volume...Also, don't forget zi cao gen as a very important medicinal for treating burns in CM. Frankly, I think if you can get the patient to gargle, I realize this may be very difficult, having these medicinals come in direct contact with the tissue would be extremely helpful. Beijing, China Author of Western Herbs According to Traditional : A Practitioners Guide tag.plantgeek Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted October 28, 2008 Report Share Posted October 28, 2008 Thanks to all that responded. I thought about the yin tonics but since this a recent injury I chose to clear heat first. I added zi su geng and ban xia to the formula to add a flavour of ban xia hou po tang. She communicated that her throat hurts and she feels something is stuck there. Do you feel that enriching yin is important in this stage? gargling may be impossible for her, Thomas, since she chokes on everything. I have recommended them to buy a bottle of aloe vera juice though. She passed stools yesterday afternoon, after the acupuncture treatment. She had been constipated for some time, since she has been probe fed for several weeks. Thanks again, Tom. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted October 29, 2008 Report Share Posted October 29, 2008 Tom, Although gargling may be impossible, as I figured, you can use a carrier such as honey to add a tincture or other extract of these medicinals. Using this will help to coat the throat and allow the medicinals to have longer-standing direct contact with the damaged tissue. I highly recommend the St. John's Wort (Hypericum perfoliatum). Thomas Beijing, China Author of Western Herbs According to Traditional : A Practitioners Guide tag.plantgeek Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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