SV: pressure cookers in Chinese medicine

[Guest guest]

Very interesting Eric!

 

 

 

Do you have any tip on where to find good Pressure-based stainless steel

extraction machines, for use in a small clinic?

 

 

 

BR

 

Carl

 

 

 

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For those interested in the effects of pressure cooking and other

issues in herbal extraction, there is some fun reading at the Blue

Poppy blog. The website is bluepoppy.com, just click the blog section

on the left of the homepage to see the blog entries.

 

Eric

 

 

 

 

 

 

[Guest guest]

, " Carl "

<carlhenryk.wallmark wrote:

>

> Very interesting Eric!

>

>

>

> Do you have any tip on where to find good Pressure-based stainless steel

> extraction machines, for use in a small clinic?

 

Hi Carl,

 

I don't know where you live, but big cities are the best places to

look, esp. SF, LA, and NYC. I got mine from KM Supplies in LA

Koreatown, the company that makes it is called Kyungseo. Google them

and KM Supplies and you should be all set. Shipping will be expensive

if you have to ship the machines, since they are very heavy. I drove

to LA and stuck them in my car, at the time they cost about $1200 per

machine (cooking and packing). That was about 8 years ago, so I'm not

sure what the price is like now.

 

Eric

[Guest guest]

Eric et al,

 

The use of a pressure cooker to increase the amount of constituents in a water

(or alcohol, or any solvent for that matter, NOTE: don't do this with alcohol at

home it be a bang of an extract!) extraction shouldn't really be all that

surprising to anyone. This is pretty basic chemistry. I have made extracts this

way for years.

 

Eric, do you see any reason why the use of a simple home pressure cooker

couldn't be used at home by patients? I have never recommended this but it sure

makes sense and a lot of people have pressure cookers at home. Just a thought.

 

Since we are promoting blogs, I hope some of you will check out mine. It has a

little more variety than CM, but I hope it is a good read.

 

 

Beijing, China

Author of Western Herbs According to Traditional : A

Practitioners Guide

Check out my blog: www.sourcepointherbs.blogspot.com

 

 

[Guest guest]

,

 

wrote:

>check out Eden Labs...

 

http://www.edenlabs.org/

 

I have the professional model and it works great.

The best bet would be the round bottom so you could pull a vacuum...

 

cheers,

dr.w

> Eric et al,

>  

> The use of a pressure cooker to increase the amount of constituents in a water

(or

alcohol, or any solvent for that matter, NOTE: don't do this with alcohol at

home it be a

bang of an extract!) extraction shouldn't really be all that surprising to

anyone. This is

pretty basic chemistry. I have made extracts this way for years.

>  

> Eric, do you see any reason why the use of a simple home pressure cooker

couldn't be

used at home by patients? I have never recommended this but it sure makes sense

and a

lot of people have pressure cookers at home. Just a thought.

>  

> Since we are promoting blogs, I hope some of you will check out mine. It has a

little

more variety than CM, but I hope it is a good read.

>

>

> Beijing, China

> Author of Western Herbs According to Traditional : A

Practitioners

Guide

> Check out my blog: www.sourcepointherbs.blogspot.com

>

>

[Guest guest]

I also have an Eden Labs extractor. The vessel is under vacuum and the

alcohol vapor re-condenses, so there is no problem with pressure build-up.

 

The main problem that I have with the company is that they don't reply

to requests for spare parts. Lots of excuses, but no service.

 

- Bill

 

 

, " waldropeww "

<dr.w.w.waldrope wrote:

>

> ,

@>

> wrote:

> >check out Eden Labs...

>

> http://www.edenlabs.org/

>

> I have the professional model and it works great.

> The best bet would be the round bottom so you could pull a vacuum...

>

> cheers,

> dr.w

> > Eric et al,

> >  

> > The use of a pressure cooker to increase the amount of

constituents in a water (or

> alcohol, or any solvent for that matter, NOTE: don't do this with

alcohol at home it be a

> bang of an extract!) extraction shouldn't really be all that

surprising to anyone. This is

> pretty basic chemistry. I have made extracts this way for years.

> >  

> > Eric, do you see any reason why the use of a simple home pressure

cooker couldn't be

> used at home by patients? I have never recommended this but it sure

makes sense and a

> lot of people have pressure cookers at home. Just a thought.

> >  

> > Since we are promoting blogs, I hope some of you will check out

mine. It has a little

> more variety than CM, but I hope it is a good read.

> >

> >

> > Beijing, China

> > Author of Western Herbs According to Traditional :

A Practitioners

> Guide

> > Check out my blog: www.sourcepointherbs.blogspot.com

> >

> >

[Guest guest]

Just wanted to say that I have Eden Labs equipment and always received

excellent support advice and service.

 

 

 

BTW, they also a high pressure extractor (as well a vacuum extractor). I

have one of their very early set ups but prefer the more traditional vacuum.

I use the Round Bottom a lot and has been reliable for going on 10 years

now. <http://www.edenlabs.org/> http://www.edenlabs.org/

 

 

 

 

 

For some small operations one suggestion is using a Food Sealer that pulls a

vacuum. The one I have has a jar attachment that fits over the mouth of a

Mason or Ball Jar. I just first soak the herbs in a small amount of

distilled water, then add boiled distilled water to just under 1/2 capacity

of the jar and then pull a vacuum. I also have a mini herbal press that I

use to squeeze the stuffing out and then to further reduce the extract

either via heating on the stove or vacuum distillation.

 

 

 

Food sealer is also nice for packaging herbs as well.

 

 

 

Merry Christmas to all,

 

 

 

Ed Kasper, LAc

 

www.HappyHerbalist.com

 

 

 

 

 

 

[Guest guest]

I know I'm replying to an old post, but I wanted to correct the record. Eden

Labs eventually sent me the spare parts I requested. It took a couple of months,

though, apparently due to an issue with a supplier.

 

- Bill Schoenbart

 

 

 

, " Happy Herbalist " <eddy wrote:

>

> Just wanted to say that I have Eden Labs equipment and always received

> excellent support advice and service.

>

>

>

> BTW, they also a high pressure extractor (as well a vacuum extractor). I

> have one of their very early set ups but prefer the more traditional vacuum.

> I use the Round Bottom a lot and has been reliable for going on 10 years

> now. <http://www.edenlabs.org/> http://www.edenlabs.org/

>

>

>

>

>

> For some small operations one suggestion is using a Food Sealer that pulls a

> vacuum. The one I have has a jar attachment that fits over the mouth of a

> Mason or Ball Jar. I just first soak the herbs in a small amount of

> distilled water, then add boiled distilled water to just under 1/2 capacity

> of the jar and then pull a vacuum. I also have a mini herbal press that I

> use to squeeze the stuffing out and then to further reduce the extract

> either via heating on the stove or vacuum distillation.

>

>

>

> Food sealer is also nice for packaging herbs as well.

>

>

>

> Merry Christmas to all,

>

>

>

> Ed Kasper, LAc

>

> www.HappyHerbalist.com

>

>

>

>

>

>

[Guest guest]

Concerning using stove top home pressure cookers: there IS a DANGER

of herbs clogging the vent in the cooker and this has the potential of

leading to a blow-up. This is the reason why beans are not usually

cooked in pressure cookers unless contained in another inserted pot.

 

In macrobiotic cooking, there is a ceramic pot designed to fit inside

of pressure cookers. This has two effects:

 

1. the herbs can not foam up and clog the vent.

 

2. the herbs are not cooked in contact with metal since they are

enclosed within the ceramic pot.

 

It has been years since I bought my " Ohsawa pots " but the last time I

bought them through Goldmine Natural Foods in San Diego.

 

--

Duncan E

 

 

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