Guest guest Posted December 21, 2008 Report Share Posted December 21, 2008 A question for those that have studied with Huang Huang: HH recommends XCHT modified with herbs such as bai shao, huang bai, sheng di, zhi zi, huang lian, and lian qiao for Rheumatoid Arthritis. I am curious will he give something like this as is, hoping to nail the root, or will he (often) add some kind of movers / wind-damp herbs for the limbs? Does anyone have any RA case studies by him with this approach? Thanks, -Jason <http://maps./py/maps.py?Pyt=Tmap & addr=2600+30th+Street%2C+Suite+20 0 & csz=Boulder%2C+Co & country=us> 2600 30th Street, Suite 200 Boulder, Co 80301 <http://www.plaxo.com/signature?src=client_sig_212_1_simple_sig & lang=en> Want a signature like this? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted December 23, 2008 Report Share Posted December 23, 2008 Hi Jason, I don't really know the answer to your question. Though I did see Dr. Huang treating RA, I did not see him use Xiao Chai Hu Tang as he writes about. His modifications were simple and sparse in general. He had an experiential modular of 4 herbs to help circulation in the lower legs which was Chi Shao, Huai Niu Xi, Shi Hu and Dan Shen. Si Wei Jian Bu Tang (4 flavor fortify walking decoction) he called it. He used that a lot, along with the root formula for many lower leg difficulties. I did not see him use wind damp herbs much at all. I do know that he would not use Xiao Chai Hu Tang as a base prescription unless the body type and presentation matched. Maybe someone can ask him when he's in San Francisco.....I, personally, won't be able to go. Sharon Sharon Weizenbaum 86 Henry Street Amherst, MA 01002 www.whitepinehealingarts.com sweiz Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted December 23, 2008 Report Share Posted December 23, 2008 Sharon, I'm signed up for the SF Huang Huang workshop in January. It's a 4 day workshop on the Constitutional Formulas. I read that there would be 2 other workshops in the works. Could you share the topic themes for the other two? Also, Huang Huang's book translated by Michael Max... for those who can't come to the workshops, will the book be comprehensive enough to understand the system? or are there practical nuances that can only be comprehended by attending the workshops? ie... pulses, abdominal diagnosis etc. Looking forward to the course! K. On Tue, Dec 23, 2008 at 8:54 AM, sharon weizenbaum <sweiz wrote: > Hi Jason, > > I don't really know the answer to your question. Though I did see Dr. > Huang treating RA, I did not see him use Xiao Chai Hu Tang as he > writes about. His modifications were simple and sparse in general. > He had an experiential modular of 4 herbs to help circulation in the > lower legs which was Chi Shao, Huai Niu Xi, Shi Hu and Dan Shen. Si > Wei Jian Bu Tang (4 flavor fortify walking decoction) he called it. > He used that a lot, along with the root formula for many lower leg > difficulties. I did not see him use wind damp herbs much at all. I > do know that he would not use Xiao Chai Hu Tang as a base prescription > unless the body type and presentation matched. > > Maybe someone can ask him when he's in San Francisco.....I, > personally, won't be able to go. > > Sharon > > Sharon Weizenbaum > 86 Henry Street > Amherst, MA 01002 > www.whitepinehealingarts.com > sweiz <sweiz%40rcn.com> > > > Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted December 23, 2008 Report Share Posted December 23, 2008 Sharon, Thanks... I agree, I would only assume that he would only use XCHT if the body type and presentation fit. I just found the modifications a bit odd for such a difficult to treat disease. The base formula in and of itself jives with me, especially if it 'fits'. -Jason > ---- > sharon weizenbaum <sweiz > Re:Huang Huang ? about the tx of RA > 23 Dec '08 16:54 > > Hi Jason, > > I don't really know the answer to your question. Though I did see Dr. > Huang treating RA, I did not see him use Xiao Chai Hu Tang as he > writes about. His modifications were simple and sparse in general. > He had an experiential modular of 4 herbs to help circulation in the > lower legs which was Chi Shao, Huai Niu Xi, Shi Hu and Dan Shen. Si > Wei Jian Bu Tang (4 flavor fortify walking decoction) he called it. > He used that a lot, along with the root formula for many lower leg > difficulties. I did not see him use wind damp herbs much at all. I > do know that he would not use Xiao Chai Hu Tang as a base prescription > unless the body type and presentation matched. > > Maybe someone can ask him when he's in San Francisco.....I, > personally, won't be able to go. > > Sharon > > Sharon Weizenbaum > 86 Henry Street > Amherst, MA 01002 > www.whitepinehealingarts.com > [LINK: sweiz%40rcn.com] sweiz > > Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted December 23, 2008 Report Share Posted December 23, 2008 Jason, Arnaud Versluys has posted that Gui zhi shao yao zhi mu tang can be used for rheumatoid arthritis. If you want to enquire about why, he has a forum at www.arnaudversluys.com I've been learning a lot from picking his amazing brain. Looking forward to meeting Huang Huang on the west coast and will ask about RA, unless you find out first. K. 2008/12/23 > Sharon, > > Thanks... I agree, I would only assume that he would only use XCHT if the > body type and presentation fit. I just found the modifications a bit odd for > such a difficult to treat disease. The base formula in and of itself jives > with me, especially if it 'fits'. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted December 23, 2008 Report Share Posted December 23, 2008 I've had some success with that formula as well. . .there are a lot of gems in the Jin gui yao lue. On Dec 23, 2008, at 8:24 PM, wrote: > Jason, > > Arnaud Versluys has posted that Gui zhi shao yao zhi mu tang can be > used for > rheumatoid arthritis. > If you want to enquire about why, he has a forum at www.arnaudversluys.com > I've been learning a lot from picking his amazing brain. > Looking forward to meeting Huang Huang on the west coast and will > ask about > RA, > unless you find out first. > > K. > > 2008/12/23 > > > Sharon, > > > > Thanks... I agree, I would only assume that he would only use XCHT > if the > > body type and presentation fit. I just found the modifications a > bit odd for > > such a difficult to treat disease. The base formula in and of > itself jives > > with me, especially if it 'fits'. > > Chair, Department of Herbal Medicine Pacific College of Oriental Medicine San Diego, Ca. 92122 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted December 25, 2008 Report Share Posted December 25, 2008 Sharon, Thanks for u/l the file in the past, I will d/l it.) Also Does he have a modular that he uses for the arms? -Jason On Behalf Of sharon weizenbaum Tuesday, December 23, 2008 9:55 AM Re:Huang Huang ? about the tx of RA Hi Jason, I don't really know the answer to your question. Though I did see Dr. Huang treating RA, I did not see him use Xiao Chai Hu Tang as he writes about. His modifications were simple and sparse in general. He had an experiential modular of 4 herbs to help circulation in the lower legs which was Chi Shao, Huai Niu Xi, Shi Hu and Dan Shen. Si Wei Jian Bu Tang (4 flavor fortify walking decoction) he called it. He used that a lot, along with the root formula for many lower leg difficulties. I did not see him use wind damp herbs much at all. I do know that he would not use Xiao Chai Hu Tang as a base prescription unless the body type and presentation matched. Maybe someone can ask him when he's in San Francisco.....I, personally, won't be able to go. Sharon Sharon Weizenbaum 86 Henry Street Amherst, MA 01002 www.whitepinehealingarts.com sweiz <sweiz%40rcn.com> Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted December 25, 2008 Report Share Posted December 25, 2008 Dr. Huang uses Ge Gen and Chuan Xiong for the upper body. He really emphasized Ge Gen though for neck issues even when the issue was at the bone level. The range Ge Gen can treat extends to the face and shoulders and upper body. He combines it with Gui Zhi, and Chuan Xiong for the upper body where appropriate. The Ge Gen body type is well developed with rough skin - this doesn't mean the person has to be like this to use Ge Gen but if they are, you would use more Ge Gen and center the prescription around this herb. This would be even more true if they tend to have thirst and diarrhea. For Xiao Chai Hu Tang and RA he does say that the dose of Chai Hu should be large - up to or more than 20gm/day. For anyone who missed the note, he will be teaching in San Francisco Jan 30- Feb 2. It's really well worth it especially with the text on the 10 types coming out soon (translated by Michael Max). He's very accessible and enjoyable to study with and a whole 4 days is great. http://www.whitepinehealingarts.com/seminars/seminars.htm Sharon Sharon Weizenbaum 86 Henry Street Amherst, MA 01002 www.whitepinehealingarts.com sweiz Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted December 26, 2008 Report Share Posted December 26, 2008 On Thu, Dec 25, 2008 at 11:45 AM, sharon weizenbaum <sweiz wrote: > Dr. Huang uses Ge Gen and [...] combines it with Gui Zhi, and Chuan > Xiong for the upper body where appropriate. > One of the more interesting uses for Chuan Xiong that I've seen Tiende Yang use is as a lifting herb for the blood. Think of it as lifting blood in much the same way as Chai Hu lifts the qi. Chuan Xiong and Chai Hu both enter the Shao Yang channel. Shao Yang is little yang that is growing or as Dr. Yang says, " the rising sun " . So its nature is to warm and lift. Chuan Xiong warms and lifts within the Shao Yang. Chai Hu obviously cools, but it still lifts... -al. -- , DAOM Pain is inevitable, suffering is optional. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted January 10, 2009 Report Share Posted January 10, 2009 I could not find the file, the last file i see was made in 2007 400 29th St. Suite 419 Oakland Ca 94609 alonmarcus Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted January 11, 2009 Report Share Posted January 11, 2009 Alon, check this file from just before christmas in the CHA files section. hh_cheat.pdf I think there may be some confusion, as its not about RA but constitutional types. Doug , alon marcus <alonmarcus wrote: > > I could not find the file, the last file i see was made in 2007 > > > 400 29th St. Suite 419 > Oakland Ca 94609 > > > > alonmarcus > Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted January 11, 2009 Report Share Posted January 11, 2009 Thanks Doug I assume the second box on right is huang qi, fourth on right is gan jiang and fourth on left is Zhi zi is that correct? 400 29th St. Suite 419 Oakland Ca 94609 alonmarcus Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted January 12, 2009 Report Share Posted January 12, 2009 No, The forth on the left is Huang Lian and Fu Zi is below it. The others are right. Here's a link for his upcoming seminar... http://www.whitepinehealingarts.com/seminars/seminars.htm Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted January 13, 2009 Report Share Posted January 13, 2009 thanks 400 29th St. Suite 419 Oakland Ca 94609 alonmarcus Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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