Guest guest Posted February 11, 2009 Report Share Posted February 11, 2009 can someone shed some light on what's going on with ma huang in the world of granules? it seems that there are still one or two companies selling granule formulas with ma huang, while other companies are pulling their products. are all the companies that make granules going to have to pull their products soon as well? are practitioners responsible for selling the formulas to patients? are there any grey areas? thanks for any info. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted February 12, 2009 Report Share Posted February 12, 2009 , " anorindr " <alexandra.norindr wrote: > > can someone shed some light on what's going on with ma huang in the > world of granules? In the US, ma huang is illegal for use in dietary supplements (specifically, dietary supplements cannot contain ephedrine according to FDA law). Since granules are prepared medicines sold as dietary supplements in the US, ma huang is not permitted. However, the raw medicinal remains legal because it is not regulated as a dietary supplement. Your question mentions the " world of granules. " The USA is, of course, not the whole world (although many average Americans are doubtless only marginally aware of this fact), and ma huang granules are still widely used in Asia. The restriction here in the US is related to how the ma huang products are sold- since the granules are sold as dietary supplements, it isn't allowed. Because raw herbs fall under food regulations, ma huang is not prohibited in this context. Hope that helps. Anyone know what the law is in Canada? How about the UK? Is the crude herb banned in Canada and the UK, or just the granules? Eric Brand Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted February 12, 2009 Report Share Posted February 12, 2009 I have been curious, if mauhaung is legal in raw/ bulk, how come there are no companies that sell it? Or does someone know a company that does. -Jason On Behalf Of Eric Brand Thursday, February 12, 2009 6:07 AM Re: ma huang conundrum <%40> , " anorindr " <alexandra.norindr wrote: > > can someone shed some light on what's going on with ma huang in the > world of granules? In the US, ma huang is illegal for use in dietary supplements (specifically, dietary supplements cannot contain ephedrine according to FDA law). Since granules are prepared medicines sold as dietary supplements in the US, ma huang is not permitted. However, the raw medicinal remains legal because it is not regulated as a dietary supplement. Your question mentions the " world of granules. " The USA is, of course, not the whole world (although many average Americans are doubtless only marginally aware of this fact), and ma huang granules are still widely used in Asia. The restriction here in the US is related to how the ma huang products are sold- since the granules are sold as dietary supplements, it isn't allowed. Because raw herbs fall under food regulations, ma huang is not prohibited in this context. Hope that helps. Anyone know what the law is in Canada? How about the UK? Is the crude herb banned in Canada and the UK, or just the granules? Eric Brand Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted February 12, 2009 Report Share Posted February 12, 2009 , " anorindr " <alexandra.norindr wrote: > it seems that there are still one or two companies selling granule > formulas with ma huang, while other companies are pulling their > products. are all the companies that make granules going to have to > pull their products soon as well? One more thing- in terms of compound formulas, many companies sell granule formulas that have substitutes for ma huang in formulas that traditionally called for ma huang. Since you mentioned formulas, are you sure that the products you are looking at actually have ma huang and not something substituted? It might be worth looking into the ingredients to check. I'm not aware of any granule companies that still dare to sell it in the States, but I've noticed that many companies continue to sell modified versions of formulas like xiao qing long tang. Unfortunately, ma huang has no perfect substitute. > are practitioners responsible for selling the formulas to patients? > are there any grey areas? As I understand it, a practitioner that sells ma huang in a dietary supplement form (i.e., in a prepared medicine) would be violating FDA law. A very unfortunate situation for those of us in the States. But at least we still have access to fu zi and many of the animal products that are restricted in other Western nations. Eric Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted February 12, 2009 Report Share Posted February 12, 2009 What what I was told by a couple companies, the FDA is restricting importation of ma huang from China through the ports/ docks. It is legal for us to use, but difficult to attain. We can use what is grown here or what was already here. On Thu, Feb 12, 2009 at 7:29 AM, Eric Brand <smilinglotus wrote: > --- In <%40>, > " anorindr " > > <alexandra.norindr wrote: > > > it seems that there are still one or two companies selling granule > > formulas with ma huang, while other companies are pulling their > > products. are all the companies that make granules going to have to > > pull their products soon as well? > > One more thing- in terms of compound formulas, many companies sell > granule formulas that have substitutes for ma huang in formulas that > traditionally called for ma huang. Since you mentioned formulas, are > you sure that the products you are looking at actually have ma huang > and not something substituted? It might be worth looking into the > ingredients to check. I'm not aware of any granule companies that > still dare to sell it in the States, but I've noticed that many > companies continue to sell modified versions of formulas like xiao > qing long tang. Unfortunately, ma huang has no perfect substitute. > > > are practitioners responsible for selling the formulas to patients? > > are there any grey areas? > > As I understand it, a practitioner that sells ma huang in a dietary > supplement form (i.e., in a prepared medicine) would be violating FDA > law. A very unfortunate situation for those of us in the States. But > at least we still have access to fu zi and many of the animal products > that are restricted in other Western nations. > > Eric > > > -- www.tcmreview.com The Four Reliances: Do not rely upon the individual, but rely upon the teaching. As far as teachings go, do not rely upon the words alone, but rely upon the meaning that underlies them. Regarding the meaning, do not rely upon the provisional meaning alone, but rely upon the definitive meaning. And regarding the definitive meaning, do not rely upon ordinary consciousness, but rely upon wisdom awareness. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted February 12, 2009 Report Share Posted February 12, 2009 Try this source for raw ephedra: ktbotanicals Frances Gander, L.Ac. Athens, OH Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted March 1, 2009 Report Share Posted March 1, 2009 Hi All, Would those who know the " one or two companies selling " Ma Huang granules kindly give your sources. Any help would be appreciated. Thank you, DV Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted April 27, 2009 Report Share Posted April 27, 2009 , " Frances L. Gander " <threetreasures wrote: > > Try this source for raw ephedra: ktbotanicals > > Frances Gander, L.Ac. > Athens, OH > Hi Frances, I realize your post was now a couple of months ago, but have you used the ma huang in powdered form that KT Botanicals sells? How do you adjust/convert the dosage from the un-powdered form? Are you taking it as a draft or decocting it? Many thanks, Sarah Rivkin Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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