Guest guest Posted February 20, 2009 Report Share Posted February 20, 2009 For the record, I've learned a few things recently that spur me to correct a few things in my previous posts on granules. It sounds like I had things a bit wrong with the issue of fillers, I thought that most Taiwanese companies used pharmaceutical starch with the proteins removed, but it may actually be that normal potato starch and corn starch are used (for example, KPC uses only non-GMO potato starch for its hypoallergenic nature, while Sun Ten uses corn starch). I'm not positive about this, but after talking to some Taiwanese QC experts the other day, it sounds like this is the case. Additionally, it sounds like the minerals and gelatins, despite not being able to be significantly concentrated, may also be cooked in water in Taiwan. I visited one of the main companies recently and they said that there was water boiling involved, but they wouldn't elaborate because the precise technique was a trade secret. Also, it seems that the main filler used to dilute Chinese granules in the mainland is dextrin rather than starch. Sorry for the errors in my previous posts, these issues are a bit tough to get to the bottom of. I guess learning more requires us to constantly update our knowledge as new information surfaces. Eric Brand Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted February 20, 2009 Report Share Posted February 20, 2009 Eric, Thanks for all of the info that you share. It's very helpful. Dextrin... that's maltose dextrin right? Between Potato starch, Corn starch and Dextrin, what are the considerations for patient allergies? K Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted February 20, 2009 Report Share Posted February 20, 2009 Corn would be a problem for some. Eric do you happen to know what Evergreen uses? I have searched their site and cannot find the information. Julie Ormonde, L.Ac. On Fri, Feb 20, 2009 at 8:15 AM, <johnkokko wrote: > Eric, > Thanks for all of the info that you share. > It's very helpful. > > Dextrin... that's maltose dextrin right? > > Between Potato starch, Corn starch and Dextrin, > what are the considerations for patient allergies? > > K > > > Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted February 20, 2009 Report Share Posted February 20, 2009 , Julie Ormonde <cariadanam wrote: > > Corn would be a problem for some. Actually, I'd heard anecdotal reports of people with known corn reactions having a problem, that is one of the reasons that I tried to start looking into it more. Unfortunately, the challenging thing is that one must visit many different factories to talk to the experts in order to get a complete picture. The reason that I was confused in the first place on the prevalence of pharmaceutical starch vs. standard starch vs. dextrin was because different factories say different things (also, the Chinese chemical names for all these modified starches can be a bit confusing at first, and all my conservations with the experts are in Chinese). Anyway, I think one just has to check with one's supplier to be sure about the exact type of excipient used in a given product. > Eric do you happen to know what Evergreen uses? I have searched their site > and cannot find the information. I think you'd have to contact John Chen or Tina Chen directly to find out the answer to that. I know that they are generally very responsive to customer inquiries. It is also possible that they source their products from more than one factory, so perhaps different items use different excipients. Unfortunately, in Taiwan the label on granules contains information on the quantity of starch, but it is just listed as starch and is rarely specified as to the type of starch. So I can't just go to the shop and see which manufacturers use which starches. Of course, this is still a bit better than the US labels because our labels don't have info on the starch quantity or type. Eric Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted February 21, 2009 Report Share Posted February 21, 2009 Sounds like an excellent opportunity to set up a randomized controlled trial using a sample of folks with mild to moderate corn allergy. -- Duncan E " We are here to help each other get though this thing, whatever it is. " -Mark Vonnegut Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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