Prostate inflammation/cancer concern

[Guest guest]

Hello All,

I have a patient that practices yoga daily, lives a " clean " lifestyle (has

history of long days, stressful job in the Music Industry). His urologist found

prostate inflammation and PSA levels of 3.6, and now latest reading is 2.9

His uncle died of prostate cancer and he is concerned about preventing a similar

scenario for himself. He is calm, tall, thin, and his pulse is wiry, strong and

has a slight rise in the pulse in 3rd position bi-laterally. Other than this

prostate issue, the only other complaint is neck pain, and he attributes this to

hours of yoga and inversions.

ANYONE have experience with treating prostate inflammation? Please share points

that were helpful... he is undergoing Ayurvedic Herbal therapy, and is doing

well with that and some dietary adjustments to decrease the inflammation.

Thanks for any input you can offer...

Stephanie Schneider LAc, MTOM

[Guest guest]

Prostate massage (by himself daily) is useful...

Relieving stress in his life, regulating his autonomic nervous system

Making sure his diet removes damp-heat foods

Healthy and regular sex is important (moves Qi and Xue)

 

Look into Kai kit wan:

Wang bu liu xing, Bai jiang cao, Chi shao, Huang qi, Mu dan pi, Mu tong, Tu

mu xiang, Yan hu suo, Gan cao.

Functions:

Invigorates the Blood, Clears Heat, Expels Toxins, Drains Dampness, Tonifies

Qi, Alleviates Pain

Indications:

Blood stagnation and damp heat accumulating in the prostate and lower jiao.

Presenting with urinary difficulty and pain, frequent urination during the

day and night, burning urination, blood in the urine, testicular swelling

and pain, lower abdominal, inguinal and perineal pain, purple discoloration

or broken blood vessels on the skin. Also for chronic conditions with

fatigue, low back pain and a tendency to slowly develop symptoms during

periods of stress or over exertion. Tongue: Varied, purple, red or pale,

swollen, red raised spots at root, with a thick yellow or greasy coat at

root Pulse: slippery, wiry, rapid, weak

Biomedical Applications:

chronic prostatitis, prostate enlargement, benign prostatic hypertrophy,

elevated prostate specific antigen (PSA), urinary tract infection,

hematuria, nocturia, orchialgia, orchitis, varicocele

 

Balancing his PC channel (chi position) ... PC fire = inflammation... does

he have hot palms?

 

What ayurvedic herbs is he on?

 

 

 

On Mon, Mar 9, 2009 at 9:53 AM, sienahome <sienahome wrote:

 

> Hello All,

> I have a patient that practices yoga daily, lives a " clean " lifestyle (has

> history of long days, stressful job in the Music Industry). His urologist

> found prostate inflammation and PSA levels of 3.6, and now latest reading is

> 2.9

> His uncle died of prostate cancer and he is concerned about preventing a

> similar scenario for himself. He is calm, tall, thin, and his pulse is wiry,

> strong and has a slight rise in the pulse in 3rd position bi-laterally.

> Other than this prostate issue, the only other complaint is neck pain, and

> he attributes this to hours of yoga and inversions.

> ANYONE have experience with treating prostate inflammation? Please share

> points that were helpful... he is undergoing Ayurvedic Herbal therapy, and

> is doing well with that and some dietary adjustments to decrease the

> inflammation.

> Thanks for any input you can offer...

> Stephanie Schneider LAc, MTOM

>

>

>

 

 

 

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[Guest guest]

I agree. Kai Kit Wan has been very effective for my patients.

Doug

 

 

, <johnkokko wrote:

>

> Prostate massage (by himself daily) is useful...

> Relieving stress in his life, regulating his autonomic nervous system

> Making sure his diet removes damp-heat foods

> Healthy and regular sex is important (moves Qi and Xue)

>

> Look into Kai kit wan:

> Wang bu liu xing, Bai jiang cao, Chi shao, Huang qi, Mu dan pi, Mu tong, Tu

> mu xiang, Yan hu suo, Gan cao.

> Functions:

> Invigorates the Blood, Clears Heat, Expels Toxins, Drains Dampness, Tonifies

> Qi, Alleviates Pain

> Indications:

> Blood stagnation and damp heat accumulating in the prostate and lower jiao.

> Presenting with urinary difficulty and pain, frequent urination during the

> day and night, burning urination, blood in the urine, testicular swelling

> and pain, lower abdominal, inguinal and perineal pain, purple discoloration

> or broken blood vessels on the skin. Also for chronic conditions with

> fatigue, low back pain and a tendency to slowly develop symptoms during

> periods of stress or over exertion. Tongue: Varied, purple, red or pale,

> swollen, red raised spots at root, with a thick yellow or greasy coat at

> root Pulse: slippery, wiry, rapid, weak

> Biomedical Applications:

> chronic prostatitis, prostate enlargement, benign prostatic hypertrophy,

> elevated prostate specific antigen (PSA), urinary tract infection,

> hematuria, nocturia, orchialgia, orchitis, varicocele

>

> Balancing his PC channel (chi position) ... PC fire = inflammation... does

> he have hot palms?

>

> What ayurvedic herbs is he on?

>

[Guest guest]

Please read Should I Be Tested For Cancer (and why not) by H. Gilbert

Welch M.D. and then possibly recommend it to your patient.

 

PSA in not a reliable indicator and leads to much unnecessary and

damaging procedures. (see Welch Should I Be Tested or Shannon

Brownlee's book Overtreated.)

 

What was his uncle's history? Did he have an aggressive form of

prostate cancer which is very uncommon or did he live to a ripe old

age with his prostate cancer? Most prostate cancer is extremely slow

growing and almost all of us males will have this cancer if we are

lucky enough to live into our eighties.

 

Here is a link to a piece on ABC on 3/10/09:

 

http://abcnews.go.com/Health/CancerPreventionAndTreatment/story?id=7049270 & page=\

1

 

--

Duncan E

 

 

" We are here to help each other get though this thing, whatever it is. "

-Mark Vonnegut

[Guest guest]

, " sienahome " <sienahome wrote:

>

> Hello All,

> I have a patient that practices yoga daily, lives a " clean " lifestyle (has

history of long days, stressful job in the Music Industry). His urologist found

prostate inflammation and PSA levels of 3.6, and now latest reading is 2.9

> His uncle died of prostate cancer and he is concerned about preventing a

similar scenario for himself. He is calm, tall, thin, and his pulse is wiry,

strong and has a slight rise in the pulse in 3rd position bi-laterally. Other

than this prostate issue, the only other complaint is neck pain, and he

attributes this to hours of yoga and inversions.

> ANYONE have experience with treating prostate inflammation? Please share

points that were helpful... he is undergoing Ayurvedic Herbal therapy, and is

doing well with that and some dietary adjustments to decrease the inflammation.

> Thanks for any input you can offer...

> Stephanie Schneider LAc, MTOM

>

 

THANK YOU John and Doug... I appreciate the input... We will give it a try!! I

have to check the Ayurvedic Herbs since my teacher put him on a formulation. I

will let you know... for sure they are traditional lndian herbs... THANK YOU

AGAIN....

[Guest guest]

PSA should never be used in isolation. It is an extremely useful test, but is

most helpful used in conjunction with a traditional digital rectal exam (sorry

guys, PSA is definitely not a substitute for a PR, its a valuable adjunct.

Whilst elevated PSA levels occur in most cases of adenocarcinoma, there are

other prostate cancers that you do not necessarily see an elevated PSA, but you

may feel a mass etc.)

I dont think you mentioned the patients age, as that would be a consideration.

Also, whomever mentioned regular prostate massage should be aware that

manipulating a prostate leads to elevated PSA levels for some time (weeks even)

afterwards, for this reason a blood sample for a PSA should be taken BEFORE a

digital rectal is performed. Obviously then, lifestyle factors such as anal sex

should be taken into consideration when evaluating an elevated PSA (its amazing

how many doctors kind of gloss on this fact, its like they never put two and two

together. If a doctors finger can elevate PSA, then....duh...)

There is some in vitro evidence on pr. ca. cell lines to suggest that silymarin

(st mary's thistle) and genistein (ummm, help me out here, genistein is in soy

and maybe shan yao or ge gen??) may cause cell cycle arrest of cancer cells.

Cheers,

Lea.

 

> > Hello All,

> > I have a patient that practices yoga daily, lives a " clean " lifestyle (has

history of long days, stressful job in the Music Industry). His urologist found

prostate inflammation and PSA levels of 3.6, and now latest reading is 2.9

> > His uncle died of prostate cancer and he is concerned about preventing a

similar scenario for himself. He is calm, tall, thin, and his pulse is wiry,

strong and has a slight rise in the pulse in 3rd position bi-laterally. Other

than this prostate issue, the only other complaint is neck pain, and he

attributes this to hours of yoga and inversions.

> > ANYONE have experience with treating prostate inflammation? Please share

points that were helpful... he is undergoing Ayurvedic Herbal therapy, and is

doing well with that and some dietary adjustments to decrease the inflammation.

> > Thanks for any input you can offer...

> > Stephanie Schneider LAc, MTOM

> >

>

> THANK YOU John and Doug... I appreciate the input... We will give it a try!! I

have to check the Ayurvedic Herbs since my teacher put him on a formulation. I

will let you know... for sure they are traditional lndian herbs... THANK YOU

AGAIN....

>

[Guest guest]

Hi,

 

I learned in school [Pathophysiology, Dr. El Fawal, Mercy college] that

elevated Prostate Specific Antigen (PSA) sould not be viewed indepently but, in

combination with serum levels of α1-antitrypsin (ATT), a marker of

inflammation, in cancer patients.  An elevated PSA & elevated serum ATT are

more indicative but not definitive of a prostate cancer concern.

 

[ATT showed the strongest correlation with PSA (r = 0.346 to 0.395; p <0.001)

than any other APP (r ≤0.245). The data suggested that men with PCa have

higher ATT levels than those without PCa; and African-American men without PCa

have higher ATT levels than Caucasian men.]

http://www.journals.elsevierhealth.com/periodicals/ymlc/article/PIIS002221430500\

4130/abstract

 

Without knowing the TCM pattern (Tongue, pulse, System of

correspondences/Symptoms)  it is difficult to make a specific recommendation. 

You might consider Kai Kit Wan

 

Steve

 

--- On Mon, 3/23/09, Lea Starck <leabun1 wrote:

 

 

Lea Starck <leabun1

Re: Prostate inflammation/cancer concern

 

Monday, March 23, 2009, 6:59 PM

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

PSA should never be used in isolation. It is an extremely useful test, but is

most helpful used in conjunction with a traditional digital rectal exam (sorry

guys, PSA is definitely not a substitute for a PR, its a valuable adjunct.

Whilst elevated PSA levels occur in most cases of adenocarcinoma, there are

other prostate cancers that you do not necessarily see an elevated PSA, but you

may feel a mass etc.)

I dont think you mentioned the patients age, as that would be a consideration.

Also, whomever mentioned regular prostate massage should be aware that

manipulating a prostate leads to elevated PSA levels for some time (weeks even)

afterwards, for this reason a blood sample for a PSA should be taken BEFORE a

digital rectal is performed. Obviously then, lifestyle factors such as anal sex

should be taken into consideration when evaluating an elevated PSA (its amazing

how many doctors kind of gloss on this fact, its like they never put two and two

together. If a doctors finger can elevate PSA, then.....duh. ..)

There is some in vitro evidence on pr. ca. cell lines to suggest that silymarin

(st mary's thistle) and genistein (ummm, help me out here, genistein is in soy

and maybe shan yao or ge gen??) may cause cell cycle arrest of cancer cells.

Cheers,

Lea.

 

> > Hello All,

> > I have a patient that practices yoga daily, lives a " clean " lifestyle (has

history of long days, stressful job in the Music Industry). His urologist found

prostate inflammation and PSA levels of 3.6, and now latest reading is 2.9

> > His uncle died of prostate cancer and he is concerned about preventing a

similar scenario for himself. He is calm, tall, thin, and his pulse is wiry,

strong and has a slight rise in the pulse in 3rd position bi-laterally. Other

than this prostate issue, the only other complaint is neck pain, and he

attributes this to hours of yoga and inversions.

> > ANYONE have experience with treating prostate inflammation? Please share

points that were helpful... he is undergoing Ayurvedic Herbal therapy, and is

doing well with that and some dietary adjustments to decrease the inflammation.

> > Thanks for any input you can offer...

> > Stephanie Schneider LAc, MTOM

> >

>

> THANK YOU John and Doug... I appreciate the input... We will give it a try!! I

have to check the Ayurvedic Herbs since my teacher put him on a formulation. I

will let you know... for sure they are traditional lndian herbs.... THANK YOU

AGAIN....

>

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

[Guest guest]

Think Liver and St channels. Tell him to get off meat, alcohol, coffee.

 

Use Kai Kit Wan together with Long Dan Xie Gan Tang-

 

On Mon, Mar 9, 2009 at 6:53 PM, sienahome <sienahome wrote:

 

> Hello All,

> I have a patient that practices yoga daily, lives a " clean " lifestyle (has

> history of long days, stressful job in the Music Industry). His urologist

> found prostate inflammation and PSA levels of 3.6, and now latest reading is

> 2.9

> His uncle died of prostate cancer and he is concerned about preventing a

> similar scenario for himself. He is calm, tall, thin, and his pulse is wiry,

> strong and has a slight rise in the pulse in 3rd position bi-laterally.

> Other than this prostate issue, the only other complaint is neck pain, and

> he attributes this to hours of yoga and inversions.

> ANYONE have experience with treating prostate inflammation? Please share

> points that were helpful... he is undergoing Ayurvedic Herbal therapy, and

> is doing well with that and some dietary adjustments to decrease the

> inflammation.

> Thanks for any input you can offer...

> Stephanie Schneider LAc, MTOM

>

>

>

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