Guest guest Posted March 28, 2009 Report Share Posted March 28, 2009 Hi John and mystir, Thanks again for your encouraging replies and apologies for the late response. I reckon if the treatment results are solid then it is just a matter of patience and getting the evidence out there for people to see. I read a quote from the new US Energy Sec. Chu saying that " Newton's 1st law of motion (a body in motion stays in motion) does not apply in bureaucracy, one has to keep pushing and pushing " . This is probably true in this case as well! Regards, Henry Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted March 29, 2009 Report Share Posted March 29, 2009  Good luck to you Henry. Scalp zone threading is very helpful. Just touch the skin over tip of the needle as you advance to keep it where you want it. 當心臟處於和平，疼痛消失。(Simple Questions, chap. 74) --- On Sat, 3/28/09, henry_buchtel <henry.buchtel wrote: henry_buchtel <henry.buchtel Re: Stroke Protocol Saturday, March 28, 2009, 11:54 PM Hi John and mystir, Thanks again for your encouraging replies and apologies for the late response. I reckon if the treatment results are solid then it is just a matter of patience and getting the evidence out there for people to see. I read a quote from the new US Energy Sec. Chu saying that " Newton's 1st law of motion (a body in motion stays in motion) does not apply in bureaucracy, one has to keep pushing and pushing " . This is probably true in this case as well! Regards, Henry Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted March 29, 2009 Report Share Posted March 29, 2009 Turiya Sure there is a lot of that going on in the acupuncture depts in China- I think Nanjing is a good choice; its generaly considered tops for acupuncture tx. Sorry I dont have any contact info right here, I'll check it out for you though. HFL [skip] , " turiyahill " <turiya wrote: > > Skip > Do you have the opportunity in your practice to treat much stroke sequelae? > I have heard of a docor in Nanjing who uses Dr. Jiao's protocols(sensory lines, motor lines, etc) but she uses electostim rather than the aggressive manual stimulation techniques.And she get's great results. I am interested in possibly going to Nanjing to train with her and am seeking information concerning how to make this happen. > > Dr. Jiao will be teaching a class in Sacramento in April. I have taken classes with him before and I think he's a great man. And I feel the need to learn and train in an enviroment where that's all that's happening. > Turiya Hill, L.Ac. > Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted March 30, 2009 Report Share Posted March 30, 2009 I'll be treating an otherwise healthy 58 year old woman with a month old moyamoya stroke. I interacted with her a little yesterday and the hardest issue seems to be a nominal aphasia. Her comprehension seems to be good but her immediate vocabulary is limited to yesses and Ok's. I'm confident on the muscular issues, and know the protocols but as to the aphasia I'm not sure what I realistically can or should offer acupuncture wise (acupuncturally?) on this. Comments? Doug , " skip8080 " <skip8080 wrote: > > > Turiya > > Sure there is a lot of that going on in the acupuncture depts in China- I think Nanjing is a good choice; its generaly considered tops for acupuncture tx. > > Sorry I dont have any contact info right here, I'll check it out for you though. > > > HFL [skip] > > , " turiyahill " <turiya@> wrote: > > > > Skip > > Do you have the opportunity in your practice to treat much stroke sequelae? > > I have heard of a docor in Nanjing who uses Dr. Jiao's protocols(sensory lines, motor lines, etc) but she uses electostim rather than the aggressive manual stimulation techniques.And she get's great results. I am interested in possibly going to Nanjing to train with her and am seeking information concerning how to make this happen. > > > > Dr. Jiao will be teaching a class in Sacramento in April. I have taken classes with him before and I think he's a great man. And I feel the need to learn and train in an enviroment where that's all that's happening. > > Turiya Hill, L.Ac. > > > Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted March 30, 2009 Report Share Posted March 30, 2009 Hi Doug, I'd definitely try scalp tx. It worked like a charm on a mild case I treated ... once. (*: HFL , " " wrote: > > I'll be treating an otherwise healthy 58 year old woman with a month old moyamoya stroke. I interacted with her a little yesterday and the hardest issue seems to be a nominal aphasia. Her comprehension seems to be good but her immediate vocabulary is limited to yesses and Ok's. > I'm confident on the muscular issues, and know the protocols but as to the aphasia I'm not sure what I realistically can or should offer acupuncture wise (acupuncturally?) on this. > Comments? > > Doug > > > > > > > Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted March 31, 2009 Report Share Posted March 31, 2009 well that's good to hear. Did you do the whole stimulation protocol? How long for results? Doug , " skip8080 " <skip8080 wrote: > > Hi Doug, > > I'd definitely try scalp tx. > > It worked like a charm on a mild case I treated ... once. (*: > > HFL > > Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted March 31, 2009 Report Share Posted March 31, 2009 If I may interject something here: Don't mistaken the finger pointing to the moon as the moon! What is the patient's lifestyle before he had the stroke? Have him fix that now! Acupuncture and herbs only buy you time to make those changes. Bloodlet Er Jian, bloodlet and cup GB 21. Then needle him at Ling Gu, Da Bai, then opposite side LIv 2, 3, 6, GB 34, 36, 39 - 2 -3 x a week. On Sun, Mar 29, 2009 at 1:51 AM, mystir <ykcul_ritsym wrote: > Good luck to you Henry. Scalp zone threading is very helpful. Just touch > the skin over tip of the needle as you advance to keep it where you want it. > ·í¤ßŦ³B©ó©M¥¡A¯kµh®ø¥¢¡C(Simple Questions, chap. 74) > > Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted March 31, 2009 Report Share Posted March 31, 2009 Fantastic. Thank you, Dr. Chu. --- On Tue, 3/31/09, Robert Chu <chusauli wrote: Robert Chu <chusauli Re: Re: Stroke Protocol Tuesday, March 31, 2009, 12:43 PM If I may interject something here: Don't mistaken the finger pointing to the moon as the moon! What is the patient's lifestyle before he had the stroke? Have him fix that now! Acupuncture and herbs only buy you time to make those changes. Bloodlet Er Jian, bloodlet and cup GB 21. Then needle him at Ling Gu, Da Bai, then opposite side LIv 2, 3, 6, GB 34, 36, 39 - 2 -3 x a week. On Sun, Mar 29, 2009 at 1:51 AM, mystir <ykcul_ritsym@ > wrote: > Good luck to you Henry. Scalp zone threading is very helpful. Just touch > the skin over tip of the needle as you advance to keep it where you want it. > 當心臟處於和平，疼痛消失。(Simple Questions, chap. 74) > > Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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