Questions about Ci Shi and Liquid Volcanic Rock(Zeolite?)

[Guest guest]

I understand generally the uses of Ci Shi(magnetite)as heavy nature to calm

shen, relieve palpitations, insomnia, nervousness, help vision and hearing and

increase kidney and liver qi, esp yin.

I like it, my question is; is it possibly similar to the actions of Volcanis

rock, zeolite?

Volcanic rock when pulverized and given in solution is seeming to me, from the

preliminary studies, is one of the best natural chelation materials ever. I am

not easily swayed, but the science seems there too. Negatively charged

scrounging the system for toxins of many kinds, bonding to them and eliminating

them. Also, when it's negative charge is reduced because of picking up a toxic

load in the body, tumors are more easily penetrated and destroyed. The clinical

cancer trial sucesses so far are almost beyond belief, even as a preventative.

Has anything been done with Ci Shi, in this way?

Please any thoughts about all this would be welcome. I am about to recommend it

to my patients who can use it. Thanks, Fran

[Guest guest]

I have been unable to find any clinical trials, although the Zeolite

manufacturer claims that there are 14 of them. Do you have any info?

 

- Bill

 

 

, " ykcul_ritsym " <ykcul_ritsym

wrote:

>

> I understand generally the uses of Ci Shi(magnetite)as heavy nature to calm

shen, relieve palpitations, insomnia, nervousness, help vision and hearing and

increase kidney and liver qi, esp yin.

> I like it, my question is; is it possibly similar to the actions of Volcanis

rock, zeolite?

> Volcanic rock when pulverized and given in solution is seeming to me, from

the preliminary studies, is one of the best natural chelation materials ever. I

am not easily swayed, but the science seems there too. Negatively charged

scrounging the system for toxins of many kinds, bonding to them and eliminating

them. Also, when it's negative charge is reduced because of picking up a toxic

load in the body, tumors are more easily penetrated and destroyed. The clinical

cancer trial sucesses so far are almost beyond belief, even as a preventative.

> Has anything been done with Ci Shi, in this way?

> Please any thoughts about all this would be welcome. I am about to recommend

it to my patients who can use it. Thanks, Fran

>

[Guest guest]

As far as I can tell, the zeolite seems to be a scam with nonexistent

studies. A Medline search will turn up hundreds of studies that zeolite CAUSES

cancer (usually from breathing it), and a couple of poorly done Croatian

studies claiming limited antioxidant and anticancer effects in mice.

Topically it will draw, like any mud, which doesn't make it an internal

detoxifier.

 

_http://www.litmuszine.com/feature/side_4.23.07.html_

(http://www.litmuszine.com/feature/side_4.23.07.html)

 

British herbalist Jonathan Treasure has an interesting and entertaining

article on it in his blog with other entries on his misadventures with Walora

representatives. Even a lawsuit against Walora by the patent holder has

failed to bring out the putative research.

_http://www.herbological.com/herblog/?p=20_

(http://www.herbological.com/herblog/?p=20) (Scroll down

past the extensive white space.) And while you are there, check out

Treasure's Mainstream Misinformation.

 

But more interestingly, we know that the mineral content of most foods in

the US went down an average of 30% between 1975 and 1990, based on USDA

studies. Since the minerals seem to anchor shen (as well as to play a role in

most of our enzymatic reactions) what implications might that have for the

shen of our society? Magnesium and trace minerals might be a better bet

than zeolite.

 

Karen S. Vaughan, L.Ac., MSTOM

Registered Herbalist (AHG)

Creationsgarden1

253 Garfield Place

Brooklyn, NY 11215

 

(718) 622-6755

 

See my Acupuncture and Herbalism website

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[Guest guest]

Hi, right. I'm not convinced. The pulverized form does not cause cancer, so I

suspect there is more to the tale of possible benefit. I am also repulsed by

health products that have 'tier', or 'networked' distribution, as opposed to

discounts for practitioners or large buyers, which is sensible.

What about Ci Shi? Any comments? Thank you very much.

 

 

 

 

________________________________

" creationsgarden1 " <creationsgarden1

 

Saturday, April 11, 2009 12:26:52 PM

Re:Questions about Ci Shi and Liquid Volcanic Rock(Zeolite?)

 

 

 

 

 

As far as I can tell, the zeolite seems to be a scam with nonexistent

studies. A Medline search will turn up hundreds of studies that zeolite CAUSES

cancer (usually from breathing it), and a couple of poorly done Croatian

studies claiming limited antioxidant and anticancer effects in mice.

Topically it will draw, like any mud, which doesn't make it an internal

detoxifier.

 

_http://www.litmuszine.com/feature/side_4.23.07.html_

(http://www.litmuszine.com/feature/side_4.23.07.html)

 

British herbalist Jonathan Treasure has an interesting and entertaining

article on it in his blog with other entries on his misadventures with Walora

representatives. Even a lawsuit against Walora by the patent holder has

failed to bring out the putative research.

_http://www.herbolog ical.com/ herblog/? p=20_ (http://www.herbolog ical.com/

herblog/? p=20) (Scroll down

past the extensive white space.) And while you are there, check out

Treasure's Mainstream Misinformation.

 

But more interestingly, we know that the mineral content of most foods in

the US went down an average of 30% between 1975 and 1990, based on USDA

studies. Since the minerals seem to anchor shen (as well as to play a role in

most of our enzymatic reactions) what implications might that have for the

shen of our society? Magnesium and trace minerals might be a better bet

than zeolite.

 

Karen S. Vaughan, L.Ac., MSTOM

Registered Herbalist (AHG)

Creationsgarden1@ aol.com

253 Garfield Place

Brooklyn, NY 11215

 

(718) 622-6755

 

See my Acupuncture and Herbalism website

at:_http://www.byregion .net/profiles/ ksvaughan2. html_ (http://ksvaughan2.

byregion. net/)

Stop Mountaintop Removal Mining: _www.Ilovemountains .org_

(http://www.democrac yinaction. org/dia/organiza tions/appvoices/ campaign.

jsp?campaign_ KEY=14105

& t=iLoveMountainsMA IN.dwt)

 

************ **Feeling the pinch at the grocery store? Make dinner for $10

or less. (http://food. aol.com/frugal- feasts?ncid= emlcntusfood0000 0001)