SV: Dose of herbs prescribed to Westerner in Beijing

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Are you familiar with the results of Mazin when treating skin disorders?

They are unmatched by anyone in the west.

 

 

 

I guess his approach is just one way, but his experience for several decades

treating very difficult skin problems must count for something. Without

meaning anything personal, is sometimes find you very quick to judge:-).

Results must be respected, no matter what treatment style and testing Liv

enzymes sounds to my like a caring and safe way for a professional to handle

his patients. We should need more of this attitude in Chinese medicine if we

want to call ourselves professionals!

 

 

 

Just my two cents

 

 

 

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Daniel,

 

I actually believe the opposite, and would like to see some evidence that

larger dosage formulas are the norm for a 'traditional perspective.' I think

larger dosage formulas are a more modern approach, many times fueled by

pharmacological / Western style research. I cannot speak for Taiwan, for I

have only studied their once, but in the mainland there are plenty of famous

doctors, actually most of the one's I have studied with, that do not use

large dosages. It is also clear that one can get results with serious skin,

autoimmune, etc with small concise formulas. THIS is what I see as a

traditional approach, hence practiced usually only by the really old

doctors, with strong classical training.

 

Actually one just needs to look through case studies and see how small and

precise the formulas were by some of the best doctors in history - hence

what I call a traditional approach. Of course there are exceptions with

doctors using large dosages, but there are plenty of examples of small

dosage formulas. Check out Ye Tian-Shi, Ding Gan ren, Qin Bo-wei, Liu

Bao-yi, and the meng-he doctors to see this style in real clinical

practice.

 

However your definition of traditional might be different than mine. I think

of a traditional approach from doctors prior to 'Modern TCM " and who used a

traditional approach to diagnosis and based their formulas on classical

ideas and prescriptions. Just for the record there is too much debate for

the SHL's dosages to weigh in on this topic.

 

I also disagree that 'smaller dosages' has to do with the economic situation

of the patient. There are doctors that I study with that just use small

dosages because they find no need to blast people out of the water. The get

some of the best results around hence are the busiest doctors. These

doctors do say that overdosing is an issue and too many herbs can be

harmful.

 

I always wonder why one would opt for an approach where one has to

constantly monitor Liver enzymes. Of course safe is best if you choose such

an approach, but such a strong approach IMHO is just unnecessary.

 

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Saturday, April 11, 2009 11:37 AM

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RE: Dose of herbs prescribed to Westerner in Beijing

 

180 gms is actually quite a moderate dose from a traditional perspective.

Dosages in Taiwan tend to average 4 to 6 liang (one bag per day). One liang

is, in taiwan, 37.5g. Small dosages on the mainland has a lot to do with the

economic situation of the average person than it does with concern for

'overdosing'. In taiwan, many clinics (not herbal shop) have a set price for

their formulas--they charge per bag not per gram. So they actually lose

money with large prescriptions. Of course, this does not necessarily speak

for what happened in Beijing, but there are quite a few well known

physicians in China who retain old style treatment methods and use large

doses.

 

Daniel Altschuler

 

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