Guest guest Posted April 27, 2009 Report Share Posted April 27, 2009 I need some help here, not with the herbs but in patient management of a stroke patient. She had a Moya moya stroke 8 weeks ago and has come home 3 weeks ago. It is classic right side hemiplagia. She is 60 with history of (what they thought was controlled) high blood pressure. She has good receptive verbal understanding but very limited but slightly improving speaking aphasia (she can repeat my words but not understand what they mean). I want to make a push to her husband for herbs at this point but he is freaked by the concept of moving the blood. He is very supportive of acupuncture and herbs in general, he is my patient for a long time but I know he cringes when I put needles in her head. They plan to do a brain operation in 2 months. Any " correct words " to convince him that herbs would be a good thing to do or advice if I should even push at this point? Thanks, Doug Moyamoya disease is an extremely rare disorder characterized by progressive intracranial vascular stenoses of the circle of Willis, resulting in successive ischemic events Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted April 27, 2009 Report Share Posted April 27, 2009 , " " wrote: Hi Dough, I would coordinate with her neurologist for alternative medicine support. This way, everyone will be in the loop, and be comfortable with either herbals/acupunctur Good luck. Alan, MSPT > I need some help here, not with the herbs but in patient management of a stroke patient. She had a Moya moya stroke 8 weeks ago and has come home 3 weeks ago. It is classic right side hemiplagia. She is 60 with history of (what they thought was controlled) high blood pressure. She has good receptive verbal understanding but very limited but slightly improving speaking aphasia (she can repeat my words but not understand what they mean). > > I want to make a push to her husband for herbs at this point but he is freaked by the concept of moving the blood. He is very supportive of acupuncture and herbs in general, he is my patient for a long time but I know he cringes when I put needles in her head. They plan to do a brain operation in 2 months. > > Any " correct words " to convince him that herbs would be a good thing to do or advice if I should even push at this point? > > Thanks, > Doug > > Moyamoya disease is an extremely rare disorder characterized by progressive intracranial vascular stenoses of the circle of Willis, resulting in successive ischemic events > Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted April 28, 2009 Report Share Posted April 28, 2009 Hi Doug, Strokes are so scary that it can be hard to get people to listen. The bottom line is that this is a blood issue - you can see that in the definition. I explain that the issue is blood and that we need to keep it moving or move it more. The reason that the stroke happened is because the blood can't move well. And you may remind them that, if the surgery is going to happen in two months, there's the " pre-surgery " treatment w/ both herbs and acupuncture that is important for the pt to be better prepared. That being said, many surgeons discourage their pts from taking herbs prior to surgery. I think if you stick w/ reminding the husband about the cause of the event the blood moving herbs will make sense to him. Martha Martha Lucas, Ph.D., L.Ac. Practitioner and Instructor of Traditional 303-947-6224 Have Patience, be Inspired, practice Gratitude. Miracles happen. On Apr 27, 2009, at 2:31 PM, wrote: > > > I need some help here, not with the herbs but in patient management > of a stroke patient. She had a Moya moya stroke 8 weeks ago and has > come home 3 weeks ago. It is classic right side hemiplagia. She is > 60 with history of (what they thought was controlled) high blood > pressure. She has good receptive verbal understanding but very > limited but slightly improving speaking aphasia (she can repeat my > words but not understand what they mean). > > I want to make a push to her husband for herbs at this point but he > is freaked by the concept of moving the blood. He is very supportive > of acupuncture and herbs in general, he is my patient for a long > time but I know he cringes when I put needles in her head. They plan > to do a brain operation in 2 months. > > Any " correct words " to convince him that herbs would be a good thing > to do or advice if I should even push at this point? > > Thanks, > Doug > > Moyamoya disease is an extremely rare disorder characterized by > progressive intracranial vascular stenoses of the circle of Willis, > resulting in successive ischemic events > > > __ Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted April 28, 2009 Report Share Posted April 28, 2009 Thanks for the reply. Moya moya is said to be progressive in that it can happen again. They are waiting an extra month to ensure the top surgeon will do the operation which has its own risks. Doug , " Martha Lucas, Ph.D., L.Ac. " <drmlucas wrote: > > Hi Doug, > > Strokes are so scary that it can be hard to get people to listen. The > bottom line is that this is a blood issue - you can see that in the > definition. I explain that the issue is blood and that we need to > keep it moving or move it more. The reason that the stroke happened > is because the blood can't move well. > And you may remind them that, if the surgery is going to happen in two > months, there's the " pre-surgery " treatment w/ both herbs and > acupuncture that is important for the pt to be better prepared. That > being said, many surgeons discourage their pts from taking herbs prior > to surgery. > > I think if you stick w/ reminding the husband about the cause of the > event the blood moving herbs will make sense to him. > > Martha > Martha Lucas, Ph.D., L.Ac. > Practitioner and Instructor of Traditional > 303-947-6224 > Have Patience, be Inspired, practice Gratitude. Miracles happen. > > > On Apr 27, 2009, at 2:31 PM, wrote: > > > > > > > I need some help here, not with the herbs but in patient management > > of a stroke patient. She had a Moya moya stroke 8 weeks ago and has > > come home 3 weeks ago. It is classic right side hemiplagia. She is > > 60 with history of (what they thought was controlled) high blood > > pressure. She has good receptive verbal understanding but very > > limited but slightly improving speaking aphasia (she can repeat my > > words but not understand what they mean). > > > > I want to make a push to her husband for herbs at this point but he > > is freaked by the concept of moving the blood. He is very supportive > > of acupuncture and herbs in general, he is my patient for a long > > time but I know he cringes when I put needles in her head. They plan > > to do a brain operation in 2 months. > > > > Any " correct words " to convince him that herbs would be a good thing > > to do or advice if I should even push at this point? > > > > Thanks, > > Doug > > > > Moyamoya disease is an extremely rare disorder characterized by > > progressive intracranial vascular stenoses of the circle of Willis, > > resulting in successive ischemic events > > > > > > __ > > > Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted April 29, 2009 Report Share Posted April 29, 2009 Thanks for the reply. Moya moya is said to be progressive in that it can happen again. They are waiting an extra month to ensure the top surgeon will do the operation which has its own risks. Doug , " Martha Lucas, Ph.D., L.Ac. " <drmlucas wrote: > > Hi Doug, > > Strokes are so scary that it can be hard to get people to listen. The > bottom line is that this is a blood issue - you can see that in the > definition. I explain that the issue is blood and that we need to > keep it moving or move it more. The reason that the stroke happened > is because the blood can't move well. > And you may remind them that, if the surgery is going to happen in two > months, there's the " pre-surgery " treatment w/ both herbs and > acupuncture that is important for the pt to be better prepared. That > being said, many surgeons discourage their pts from taking herbs prior > to surgery. > > I think if you stick w/ reminding the husband about the cause of the > event the blood moving herbs will make sense to him. > > Martha > Martha Lucas, Ph.D., L.Ac. > Practitioner and Instructor of Traditional > 303-947-6224 > Have Patience, be Inspired, practice Gratitude. Miracles happen. > > > On Apr 27, 2009, at 2:31 PM, wrote: > > > > > > > I need some help here, not with the herbs but in patient management > > of a stroke patient. She had a Moya moya stroke 8 weeks ago and has > > come home 3 weeks ago. It is classic right side hemiplagia. She is > > 60 with history of (what they thought was controlled) high blood > > pressure. She has good receptive verbal understanding but very > > limited but slightly improving speaking aphasia (she can repeat my > > words but not understand what they mean). > > > > I want to make a push to her husband for herbs at this point but he > > is freaked by the concept of moving the blood. He is very supportive > > of acupuncture and herbs in general, he is my patient for a long > > time but I know he cringes when I put needles in her head. They plan > > to do a brain operation in 2 months. > > > > Any " correct words " to convince him that herbs would be a good thing > > to do or advice if I should even push at this point? > > > > Thanks, > > Doug > > > > Moyamoya disease is an extremely rare disorder characterized by > > progressive intracranial vascular stenoses of the circle of Willis, > > resulting in successive ischemic events > > > > > > __ > > > Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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