Guest guest Posted May 14, 2009 Report Share Posted May 14, 2009 hi all, I had an interesting meeting with several researchers and physicians from Jefferson Hospital yesterday. they are trying to research chinese herbs for altitude sickness. among the herbs that i suggested we research were ren shen, and sheng mai san, hong jing tian, ge gen, xi yang shen, dong chong xia cao, huang qi, ling zhi. is anyone ( and Phil I am thinking of you especially) aware of any research articles on the topic of chinese herbs and altitude sickness? are there any other herbs that i should be thinking about? or formulas? thanks for your help! Cara O. Frank, R. OM Six Fishes China Herb Company Chinese Herb Department Tai Sophia Institute www.carafrank.com 215-772-0770 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted May 14, 2009 Report Share Posted May 14, 2009 There is a well researched formula that the importers of yin care are now also importing. - On Behalf Of cara Thursday, May 14, 2009 8:32 AM altitude sickness hi all, I had an interesting meeting with several researchers and physicians from Jefferson Hospital yesterday. they are trying to research chinese herbs for altitude sickness. among the herbs that i suggested we research were ren shen, and sheng mai san, hong jing tian, ge gen, xi yang shen, dong chong xia cao, huang qi, ling zhi. is anyone ( and Phil I am thinking of you especially) aware of any research articles on the topic of chinese herbs and altitude sickness? are there any other herbs that i should be thinking about? or formulas? thanks for your help! Cara O. Frank, R. OM Six Fishes China Herb Company Chinese Herb Department Tai Sophia Institute www.carafrank.com 215-772-0770 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted May 14, 2009 Report Share Posted May 14, 2009 do you know the name of it? Cara O. Frank, R. OM Six Fishes China Herb Company Chinese Herb Department Tai Sophia Institute www.carafrank.com 215-772-0770 On May 14, 2009, at 11:16 AM, wrote: > > > There is a well researched formula that the importers of yin care > are now > also importing. > > - > > > On Behalf Of cara > Thursday, May 14, 2009 8:32 AM > > altitude sickness > > hi all, > I had an interesting meeting with several researchers and physicians > from Jefferson Hospital yesterday. they are trying to research chinese > herbs for altitude sickness. > among the herbs that i suggested we research were ren shen, and sheng > mai san, hong jing tian, ge gen, xi yang shen, dong chong xia cao, > huang qi, ling zhi. > > is anyone ( and Phil I am thinking of you especially) aware of any > research articles on the topic of chinese herbs and altitude sickness? > > are there any other herbs that i should be thinking about? or > formulas? > > thanks for your help! > > Cara O. Frank, R. OM > Six Fishes > China Herb Company > Director Chinese Herb Department > Tai Sophia Institute > www.carafrank.com > 215-772-0770 > > Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted May 14, 2009 Report Share Posted May 14, 2009 found it. thanks Cara O. Frank, R. OM Six Fishes China Herb Company Chinese Herb Department Tai Sophia Institute www.carafrank.com 215-772-0770 On May 14, 2009, at 11:29 AM, cara wrote: > do you know the name of it? > > Cara O. Frank, R. OM > Six Fishes > China Herb Company > Director Chinese Herb Department > Tai Sophia Institute > www.carafrank.com > 215-772-0770 > > On May 14, 2009, at 11:16 AM, wrote: > >> >> >> There is a well researched formula that the importers of yin care >> are now >> also importing. >> >> - >> >> >> On Behalf Of cara >> Thursday, May 14, 2009 8:32 AM >> >> altitude sickness >> >> hi all, >> I had an interesting meeting with several researchers and physicians >> from Jefferson Hospital yesterday. they are trying to research >> chinese >> herbs for altitude sickness. >> among the herbs that i suggested we research were ren shen, and sheng >> mai san, hong jing tian, ge gen, xi yang shen, dong chong xia cao, >> huang qi, ling zhi. >> >> is anyone ( and Phil I am thinking of you especially) aware of any >> research articles on the topic of chinese herbs and altitude >> sickness? >> >> are there any other herbs that i should be thinking about? or >> formulas? >> >> thanks for your help! >> >> Cara O. Frank, R. OM >> Six Fishes >> China Herb Company >> Director Chinese Herb Department >> Tai Sophia Institute >> www.carafrank.com >> 215-772-0770 >> >> Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted May 14, 2009 Report Share Posted May 14, 2009 so what is it??? haha ann On May 14, 2009, at 11:40 AM, cara wrote: > > > found it. > thanks > > Cara O. Frank, R. OM > Six Fishes > China Herb Company > Director Chinese Herb Department > Tai Sophia Institute > www.carafrank.com > 215-772-0770 > > On May 14, 2009, at 11:29 AM, cara wrote: > > > do you know the name of it? > > > > Cara O. Frank, R. OM > > Six Fishes > > China Herb Company > > Director Chinese Herb Department > > Tai Sophia Institute > > www.carafrank.com > > 215-772-0770 > > > > On May 14, 2009, at 11:16 AM, wrote: > > > >> > >> > >> There is a well researched formula that the importers of yin care > >> are now > >> also importing. > >> > >> - > >> > >> > >> On Behalf Of cara > >> Thursday, May 14, 2009 8:32 AM > >> > >> altitude sickness > >> > >> hi all, > >> I had an interesting meeting with several researchers and > physicians > >> from Jefferson Hospital yesterday. they are trying to research > >> chinese > >> herbs for altitude sickness. > >> among the herbs that i suggested we research were ren shen, and > sheng > >> mai san, hong jing tian, ge gen, xi yang shen, dong chong xia cao, > >> huang qi, ling zhi. > >> > >> is anyone ( and Phil I am thinking of you especially) aware of any > >> research articles on the topic of chinese herbs and altitude > >> sickness? > >> > >> are there any other herbs that i should be thinking about? or > >> formulas? > >> > >> thanks for your help! > >> > >> Cara O. Frank, R. OM > >> Six Fishes > >> China Herb Company > >> Director Chinese Herb Department > >> Tai Sophia Institute > >> www.carafrank.com > >> 215-772-0770 > >> > >> Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted May 14, 2009 Report Share Posted May 14, 2009 here you go http://www.getaltigen.com/ Cara > > > so what is it??? haha > ann > > On May 14, 2009, at 11:40 AM, cara wrote: > > > > > > > found it. > > thanks > > > > Cara O. Frank, R. OM > > Six Fishes > > China Herb Company > > Director Chinese Herb Department > > Tai Sophia Institute > > www.carafrank.com > > 215-772-0770 > > > > On May 14, 2009, at 11:29 AM, cara wrote: > > > > > do you know the name of it? > > > > > > Cara O. Frank, R. OM > > > Six Fishes > > > China Herb Company > > > Director Chinese Herb Department > > > Tai Sophia Institute > > > www.carafrank.com > > > 215-772-0770 > > > > > > On May 14, 2009, at 11:16 AM, wrote: > > > > > >> > > >> > > >> There is a well researched formula that the importers of yin care > > >> are now > > >> also importing. > > >> > > >> - > > >> > > >> > > >> On Behalf Of cara > > >> Thursday, May 14, 2009 8:32 AM > > >> > > >> altitude sickness > > >> > > >> hi all, > > >> I had an interesting meeting with several researchers and > > physicians > > >> from Jefferson Hospital yesterday. they are trying to research > > >> chinese > > >> herbs for altitude sickness. > > >> among the herbs that i suggested we research were ren shen, and > > sheng > > >> mai san, hong jing tian, ge gen, xi yang shen, dong chong xia > cao, > > >> huang qi, ling zhi. > > >> > > >> is anyone ( and Phil I am thinking of you especially) aware of > any > > >> research articles on the topic of chinese herbs and altitude > > >> sickness? > > >> > > >> are there any other herbs that i should be thinking about? or > > >> formulas? > > >> > > >> thanks for your help! > > >> > > >> Cara O. Frank, R. OM > > >> Six Fishes > > >> China Herb Company > > >> Director Chinese Herb Department > > >> Tai Sophia Institute > > >> www.carafrank.com > > >> 215-772-0770 > > >> > > >> Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted May 14, 2009 Report Share Posted May 14, 2009 I've heard there's already been a good deal of research on this in Western China & Tibet (where altitude sickness is an everyday concern for travelers). Don't know any details, but I'm pretty sure that it's been studied extensively. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted May 14, 2009 Report Share Posted May 14, 2009 Thanks, Heidi. ;-D Rhodiola - Yay! Tian qi - Yay! And of course, you recall Subhiti Dharmananda's very nice article here: http://www.itmonline.org/arts/mntnsick.htm ....and here's a page with related articles: http://www.itmonline.org/results.htm?cx=002245100010442291864%3Av3bhxoxu6ee & q=al\ titude+sickness & sa=Search & cof=FORID%3A11 ann On May 14, 2009, at 1:26 PM, cara wrote: > here you go > > http://www.getaltigen.com/ > Cara > >> >> >> so what is it??? haha >> ann >> >> On May 14, 2009, at 11:40 AM, cara wrote: >> >>> >>> >>> found it. >>> thanks >>> >>> Cara O. Frank, R. OM >>> Six Fishes >>> China Herb Company >>> Director Chinese Herb Department >>> Tai Sophia Institute >>> www.carafrank.com >>> 215-772-0770 >>> >>> On May 14, 2009, at 11:29 AM, cara wrote: >>> >>>> do you know the name of it? >>>> >>>> Cara O. Frank, R. OM >>>> Six Fishes >>>> China Herb Company >>>> Director Chinese Herb Department >>>> Tai Sophia Institute >>>> www.carafrank.com >>>> 215-772-0770 >>>> >>>> On May 14, 2009, at 11:16 AM, wrote: >>>> >>>>> >>>>> >>>>> There is a well researched formula that the importers of yin care >>>>> are now >>>>> also importing. >>>>> >>>>> - >>>>> >>>>> >>>>> On Behalf Of cara >>>>> Thursday, May 14, 2009 8:32 AM >>>>> >>>>> altitude sickness >>>>> >>>>> hi all, >>>>> I had an interesting meeting with several researchers and >>> physicians >>>>> from Jefferson Hospital yesterday. they are trying to research >>>>> chinese >>>>> herbs for altitude sickness. >>>>> among the herbs that i suggested we research were ren shen, and >>> sheng >>>>> mai san, hong jing tian, ge gen, xi yang shen, dong chong xia >> cao, >>>>> huang qi, ling zhi. >>>>> >>>>> is anyone ( and Phil I am thinking of you especially) aware of >> any >>>>> research articles on the topic of chinese herbs and altitude >>>>> sickness? >>>>> >>>>> are there any other herbs that i should be thinking about? or >>>>> formulas? >>>>> >>>>> thanks for your help! >>>>> >>>>> Cara O. Frank, R. OM >>>>> Six Fishes >>>>> China Herb Company >>>>> Director Chinese Herb Department >>>>> Tai Sophia Institute >>>>> www.carafrank.com >>>>> 215-772-0770 >>>>> >>>>> Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted May 14, 2009 Report Share Posted May 14, 2009 Subhuti Dharmananda wrote an article on herbs for altitude sickness on www.itmonline.org K On Thu, May 14, 2009 at 10:45 AM, emaildaneng <emaildaneng wrote: > > > I've heard there's already been a good deal of research on this in Western > China & Tibet (where altitude sickness is an everyday concern for > travelers). Don't know any details, but I'm pretty sure that it's been > studied extensively. > > > -- Turtle Island Integrative Health TCM Review director CA State Board Prep Courses www.tcmreview.com Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted May 14, 2009 Report Share Posted May 14, 2009 thank you. i have already read that. Cara O. Frank, R. OM Six Fishes China Herb Company Chinese Herb Department Tai Sophia Institute www.carafrank.com 215-772-0770 On May 14, 2009, at 2:11 PM, wrote: > > > Subhuti Dharmananda wrote an article on herbs for altitude sickness > on www.itmonline.org > > K > > On Thu, May 14, 2009 at 10:45 AM, emaildaneng > <emaildaneng wrote: > > > > > > > I've heard there's already been a good deal of research on this in > Western > > China & Tibet (where altitude sickness is an everyday concern for > > travelers). Don't know any details, but I'm pretty sure that it's > been > > studied extensively. > > > > > > > > -- > > Turtle Island Integrative Health > > > TCM Review director > CA State Board Prep Courses > www.tcmreview.com > > Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted May 14, 2009 Report Share Posted May 14, 2009 i just sent the link... a On May 14, 2009, at 2:11 PM, wrote: > > > Subhuti Dharmananda wrote an article on herbs for altitude sickness > on www.itmonline.org > > K > > On Thu, May 14, 2009 at 10:45 AM, emaildaneng > <emaildaneng wrote: > > > > > > > I've heard there's already been a good deal of research on this in > Western > > China & Tibet (where altitude sickness is an everyday concern for > > travelers). Don't know any details, but I'm pretty sure that it's > been > > studied extensively. > > > > > > > > -- > > Turtle Island Integrative Health > > > TCM Review director > CA State Board Prep Courses > www.tcmreview.com > > Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted May 19, 2009 Report Share Posted May 19, 2009 , cara <herbbabe wrote: > > hi all, > I had an interesting meeting with several researchers and physicians > from Jefferson Hospital yesterday. they are trying to research chinese > herbs for altitude sickness. > among the herbs that i suggested we research were ren shen, and sheng > mai san, hong jing tian, ge gen, xi yang shen, dong chong xia cao, > huang qi, ling zhi. > > is anyone ( and Phil I am thinking of you especially) aware of any > research articles on the topic of chinese herbs and altitude sickness? > > are there any other herbs that i should be thinking about? or > formulas? Blue Poppy makes a product called Immortal Qi that combines many of the above ingredients, including hong jing tian, huang qi, and dong chong xia cao; it is based on a combination of sheng mai san and bu zhong yi qi tang. It is well-suited to altitude sickness, as well as fatigue due to qi vacuity in general. The use of this formula approach to treat altitude sickness is based on modern research as well as traditional medicine. Personally, I like that it is made without fillers at an 8:1 concentration ratio, so the patient doesn't need to swallow too many capsules. To read about the TCM actions of rhodiola according to primary Chinese sources, see my blog at: http://www.bluepoppy.com/blog/blogs/blog1.php/2009/04/22/rhodiola Below is a description from Bob Flaws describing the research that inspired this formula (quoted from bluepoppy.com): In Chinese medicine, the symptoms of altitude sickness are all qi vacuity symptoms, and the spleen is the latter heaven root of the engenderment and transformation of qi. Chinese research published as recently as 2003 has proven that Bu Zhong Yi Qi Tang can treat the symptoms of altitude sickness. 8 Li Go's Sheng Mai San (Engender the Pulse Powder) is Chinese medicine's basic lung qi-supplementing, yin-enriching formula. Because altitude sickness is frequently accompanied by dehydration, yinsupplementation can also help prevent and treat mild altitude sickness. Chinese research conducted in 1989 has proven that Sheng Mai San is effective for the prevention of altitude sickness. Using spirometry and cardiac function tests to measure the changes in cardiopulmonary function of healthy adults living at 7,500 feet who then traveled to a plateau at 13,420 feet, Feng et al. tested this formula for its ability to prevent the physiological changes measured. According to these Chinese researchers, Sheng Mai San " did efficiently protect the villagers from the plateau reaction... " or symptoms of altitude sickness.9 Further, in a post on Chinese Herbal Medicine Internet bulletin board, Simon Becker, a professional practitioner of Chinese herbal medicine, has described his own family's successful use of Sheng Mai San when they traveled to and around Tibet at high altitude after coming from a lower elevation.10 Hong Jing Tian, sometimes called Tibetan Ginseng, likewise supplements the qi and enriches yin. Hong Jing Tian comes from the high altitude environment of the Tibetan Plateau where it is traditionally believed to prevent altitude sickness.11 Chinese research has also confirmed that Hong Jing Tian can improve the blood oxygen saturation at high altitude during sleep, thus promoting better, more restful sleep at high altitudes.12 Finally Man Jing Zi and Chuan Xiong have been added to specifically treat the qi vacuity headache and dizziness associated with altitude sickness. Eric Brand Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted May 20, 2009 Report Share Posted May 20, 2009 thanks Eric, i look forward to reading it Cara O. Frank, R. OM Six Fishes China Herb Company Chinese Herb Department Tai Sophia Institute www.carafrank.com 215-772-0770 On May 19, 2009, at 10:22 PM, Eric Brand wrote: > > > , cara <herbbabe wrote: > > > > hi all, > > I had an interesting meeting with several researchers and physicians > > from Jefferson Hospital yesterday. they are trying to research > chinese > > herbs for altitude sickness. > > among the herbs that i suggested we research were ren shen, and > sheng > > mai san, hong jing tian, ge gen, xi yang shen, dong chong xia cao, > > huang qi, ling zhi. > > > > is anyone ( and Phil I am thinking of you especially) aware of any > > research articles on the topic of chinese herbs and altitude > sickness? > > > > are there any other herbs that i should be thinking about? or > > formulas? > > Blue Poppy makes a product called Immortal Qi that combines many of > the above ingredients, including hong jing tian, huang qi, and dong > chong xia cao; it is based on a combination of sheng mai san and bu > zhong yi qi tang. It is well-suited to altitude sickness, as well as > fatigue due to qi vacuity in general. The use of this formula > approach to treat altitude sickness is based on modern research as > well as traditional medicine. Personally, I like that it is made > without fillers at an 8:1 concentration ratio, so the patient > doesn't need to swallow too many capsules. > > To read about the TCM actions of rhodiola according to primary > Chinese sources, see my blog at: > > http://www.bluepoppy.com/blog/blogs/blog1.php/2009/04/22/rhodiola > > Below is a description from Bob Flaws describing the research that > inspired this formula (quoted from bluepoppy.com): > > In Chinese medicine, the symptoms of altitude sickness are all qi > vacuity symptoms, and the spleen is the latter heaven root of the > engenderment and transformation of qi. Chinese research published as > recently as 2003 has proven that Bu Zhong Yi Qi Tang can treat the > symptoms of altitude sickness. 8 Li Go's Sheng Mai San (Engender the > Pulse Powder) is Chinese medicine's basic lung qi-supplementing, yin- > enriching formula. Because altitude sickness is frequently > accompanied by dehydration, yinsupplementation can also help prevent > and treat mild altitude sickness. Chinese research conducted in 1989 > has proven that Sheng Mai San is effective for the prevention of > altitude sickness. Using spirometry and cardiac function tests to > measure the changes in cardiopulmonary function of healthy adults > living at 7,500 feet who then traveled to a plateau at 13,420 feet, > Feng et al. tested this formula for its ability to prevent the > physiological changes measured. According to these Chinese > researchers, Sheng Mai San " did efficiently protect the villagers > from the plateau reaction... " or symptoms of altitude sickness.9 > Further, in a post on Chinese Herbal Medicine Internet bulletin > board, Simon Becker, a professional practitioner of Chinese herbal > medicine, has described his own family's successful use of Sheng Mai > San when they traveled to and around Tibet at high altitude after > coming from a lower elevation.10 Hong Jing Tian, sometimes called > Tibetan Ginseng, likewise supplements the qi and enriches yin. Hong > Jing Tian comes from the high altitude environment of the Tibetan > Plateau where it is traditionally believed to prevent altitude > sickness.11 Chinese research has also confirmed that Hong Jing Tian > can improve the blood oxygen saturation at high altitude during > sleep, thus promoting better, more restful sleep at high altitudes. > 12 Finally Man Jing Zi and Chuan Xiong have been added to > specifically treat the qi vacuity headache and dizziness associated > with altitude sickness. > > Eric Brand > > > Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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