Guest guest Posted June 10, 2009 Report Share Posted June 10, 2009 Hi everyone, I was just reading a paper about intranasal administration of a drug for the pre-treatment of stroke that has been quite effective in rats. I'll spare everyone the gory details. Anyhow, it made me wonder whether anyone uses any Chinese herbs intranasally to more quickly access the central nervous system and/or treat the nasal mucosa directly. Does anyone here do this? Does anyone know of any sources of T.C.M. or classical literature that do this? I've read about the intranasal application of herbs in Ayurveda and heard some accounts, in particular oils of Acorus graminei and Centella asiatica are used. After reading this article and talking to a few Ayurvedic practitioners about this, I tried some nose drops of Centella and it was dreadfully uncomfortable for 1/2 hour or so. While the desired effect was to enhance ones concentration, all I could concentrate on was the burning in my sinus and postnasal drip burn with tearing eyes. Any technique advice? I'm serious. Thanks, Ben _______________ Insert movie times and more without leaving Hotmail®. http://windowslive.com/Tutorial/Hotmail/QuickAdd?ocid=TXT_TAGLM_WL_HM_Tutorial_Q\ uickAdd_062009 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted June 10, 2009 Report Share Posted June 10, 2009 Hi Ben, I got some acorus oil once (with ginger) to be used nasally -- and found it dreadful. I almost wondered afterwards if it was meant to be used externally on the nose, it was that bad to apply on the inside. And yes, it did create a rather lasting discomfort (to put it mildly). Didn't make it a habit! OTOH, there is a small company that makes 2 nasal sprays - one is called Sinus Buster and the other Headache Buster. The former is for nasal congestion, naturally, and contains capsicum, eucalyptol, rosemary and sea salt; the latter capsicum, feverfew and mentholum (peppermint). I've only tried the latter, which gives a good bracing jolt, short and to the point. haha. Can be fairly effective at relieving headaches; may need to be repeated. And over at ITM Subhuti has an alllicin spray for chronic sinus nasties which is astonishingly effective. Not Chinese herbs particularly, and pretty much a local strategy with vascular effect. I think herbs for other purposes should maybe be much more dilute. I'd have to find a real necessity for this route of delivery for herbs with other intentions to want to pursue it. Like one's mouth is surgically inaccessible for some reason. haha again. ann On Jun 10, 2009, at 11:07 PM, ben zappin wrote: > > > > Hi everyone, > > I was just reading a paper about intranasal administration of a drug > for the pre-treatment of stroke that has been quite effective in > rats. I'll spare everyone the gory details. Anyhow, it made me > wonder whether anyone uses any Chinese herbs intranasally to more > quickly access the central nervous system and/or treat the nasal > mucosa directly. Does anyone here do this? Does anyone know of any > sources of T.C.M. or classical literature that do this? > > I've read about the intranasal application of herbs in Ayurveda and > heard some accounts, in particular oils of Acorus graminei and > Centella asiatica are used. After reading this article and talking > to a few Ayurvedic practitioners about this, I tried some nose drops > of Centella and it was dreadfully uncomfortable for 1/2 hour or so. > While the desired effect was to enhance ones concentration, all I > could concentrate on was the burning in my sinus and postnasal drip > burn with tearing eyes. Any technique advice? > > I'm serious. > > Thanks, > > Ben > > ________ > Insert movie times and more without leaving Hotmail®. > http://windowslive.com/Tutorial/Hotmail/QuickAdd?ocid=TXT_TAGLM_WL_HM_Tutorial_Q\ uickAdd_062009 > > Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted June 10, 2009 Report Share Posted June 10, 2009 , ben zappin <btz23 wrote: > Anyhow, it made me wonder whether anyone uses any Chinese herbs intranasally to more quickly access the central nervous system and/or treat the nasal mucosa directly. Does anyone here do this? Does anyone know of any sources of T.C.M. or classical literature that do this? Hi Ben, Xi xin is traditionally ground and blown into the nose to treat clenched jaw in block patterns and repletion patterns. The Chinese literature describes this as a phlegm reversal or malignity strike pattern, characterized by clenched jaw, clouding loss of consciousness, and a somber white complexion. You can read more about these concepts in a book like the Practical Dictionary of Chinese Medicine, or Concise Chinese Materia Medica. Interestingly, there is a medicinal action that is literally known as " freeing the gate " ; here " gate " refers to the jaw, so this action is also known as freeing the jaw. This is the action that reflects the usage of xi xin for clenched jaw. To my knowledge, xi xin is the only medicinal that has this action (just like ginseng is the only medicinal specifically ascribed an action of increasing intelligence or mental faculties). At any rate, xi xin may be used alone or with zao jiao ci for this purpose. I've never tried this. I'd be really cautious if I were you, especially if you happen to lack the rather uncommon clinical presentation of a block pattern with clenched jaw. But do report back if you survive it, we'd love to hear about it! In other novel administration methods... enemas are used in modern TCM for intestinal diseases and gynecological diseases, but enemas are new to Chinese medicine and remain rarely used. Smoking is also found as a medicinal administration method in the Chinese literature, but I've only seen it described in the monographs of two substances, datura and tobacco. And of course many TCM medicinals have been made into preparations for IV and IM use in modern China. Eric Brand Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted June 11, 2009 Report Share Posted June 11, 2009 Eric... picking up on that, how would you describe the smoke method in the SHL? I can't help but think of it as " smudging " in the American Indian sense. Doug > In other novel administration methods... enemas are used in modern TCM for intestinal diseases and gynecological diseases, but enemas are new to Chinese medicine and remain rarely used. Smoking is also found as a medicinal administration method in the Chinese literature, but I've only seen it described in the monographs of two substances, datura and tobacco. And of course many TCM medicinals have been made into preparations for IV and IM use in modern China. > > Eric Brand > Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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