Guest guest Posted June 25, 2009 Report Share Posted June 25, 2009 Hola Herbalistas! I wonder if anybody has a reasonable means by which we can translate a dosage of Da Zao (in pieces) into an extract powder of say, 5:1 extraction potency. Not really sure where to start on this or how to translate a Da Zao dosage into grams of extract powder. Anybody have a system for this? Thanks. -al. -- , DAOM Pain is inevitable, suffering is optional. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted June 29, 2009 Report Share Posted June 29, 2009 According to SHL scholar and practitioner Arnaud Versluys, the dosage for 12 pieces of dazao found in many SHL/JGYL formulas should be 9g. I believe he came to this conclusion by consulting a text in Chinese wherein a noted scholar went back and measured all of the herbs according to sheng/pieces/big pieces etc. It has worked for me. I usually approximate this dosage in granular form at 12g of granules per week if I am mixing a formula from singles. -Steve Stephen Bonzak, L.Ac., Dipl. O.M. http://www.health-traditions.com sbonzak 773-470-6994 On Jun 25, 2009, at 2:45 PM, Al Stone wrote: > > > Hola Herbalistas! > > I wonder if anybody has a reasonable means by which we can translate a > dosage of Da Zao (in pieces) into an extract powder of say, 5:1 > extraction > potency. > > Not really sure where to start on this or how to translate a Da Zao > dosage > into grams of extract powder. > > Anybody have a system for this? > > Thanks. > > -al. > > -- > , DAOM > Pain is inevitable, suffering is optional. > > Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted June 29, 2009 Report Share Posted June 29, 2009 Yeah, I ran into some similar information just last night, reading 50 Medicinals by Huang Huang. He says that one Da Zao is about 2 grams of 1:1 herbs. Not sure if that includes weighing the pit or not. As usual, dosages are flexible. I think that 9-15 grams per week makes sense. This is also based on it's percieved potency in my mouth. For instance, 3 grams of huang lian will knock me over, while 3 grams of da zao is a gentle taste that can handle larger dosages. (I just tried some, to confirm the above statement, MAN da zao is GOOD! Should be added in cooking!) -al. On Mon, Jun 29, 2009 at 1:17 PM, Stephen Bonzak <stephenbonzakwrote: > > > According to SHL scholar and practitioner Arnaud Versluys, the dosage > for 12 pieces of dazao found in many SHL/JGYL formulas should be 9g. > I believe he came to this conclusion by consulting a text in Chinese > wherein a noted scholar went back and measured all of the herbs > according to sheng/pieces/big pieces etc. It has worked for me. I > usually approximate this dosage in granular form at 12g of granules > per week if I am mixing a formula from singles. > > -Steve > > Stephen Bonzak, L.Ac., Dipl. O.M. > http://www.health-traditions.com > sbonzak <sbonzak%40pacificcollege.edu> > 773-470-6994 > > > On Jun 25, 2009, at 2:45 PM, Al Stone wrote: > > > > > > > Hola Herbalistas! > > > > I wonder if anybody has a reasonable means by which we can translate a > > dosage of Da Zao (in pieces) into an extract powder of say, 5:1 > > extraction > > potency. > > > > Not really sure where to start on this or how to translate a Da Zao > > dosage > > into grams of extract powder. > > > > Anybody have a system for this? > > > > Thanks. > > > > -al. > > > > -- > > , DAOM > > Pain is inevitable, suffering is optional. > > > -- , DAOM Pain is inevitable, suffering is optional. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted June 29, 2009 Report Share Posted June 29, 2009 I wonder sometimes if it is the same da zao that was used by Zhang Ji 1800 years ago. In other words, are the da zao we use today larger in size due to cultivation? On Jun 29, 2009, at 1:32 PM, Al Stone wrote: > > > Yeah, I ran into some similar information just last night, reading 50 > Medicinals by Huang Huang. He says that one Da Zao is about 2 grams > of 1:1 > herbs. Not sure if that includes weighing the pit or not. > > As usual, dosages are flexible. I think that 9-15 grams per week makes > sense. This is also based on it's percieved potency in my mouth. For > instance, 3 grams of huang lian will knock me over, while 3 grams of > da zao > is a gentle taste that can handle larger dosages. > > (I just tried some, to confirm the above statement, MAN da zao is > GOOD! > Should be added in cooking!) > > -al. > > On Mon, Jun 29, 2009 at 1:17 PM, Stephen Bonzak > <stephenbonzakwrote: > > > > > > > According to SHL scholar and practitioner Arnaud Versluys, the > dosage > > for 12 pieces of dazao found in many SHL/JGYL formulas should be 9g. > > I believe he came to this conclusion by consulting a text in Chinese > > wherein a noted scholar went back and measured all of the herbs > > according to sheng/pieces/big pieces etc. It has worked for me. I > > usually approximate this dosage in granular form at 12g of granules > > per week if I am mixing a formula from singles. > > > > -Steve > > > > Stephen Bonzak, L.Ac., Dipl. O.M. > > http://www.health-traditions.com > > sbonzak <sbonzak%40pacificcollege.edu> > > 773-470-6994 > > > > > > On Jun 25, 2009, at 2:45 PM, Al Stone wrote: > > > > > > > > > > > Hola Herbalistas! > > > > > > I wonder if anybody has a reasonable means by which we can > translate a > > > dosage of Da Zao (in pieces) into an extract powder of say, 5:1 > > > extraction > > > potency. > > > > > > Not really sure where to start on this or how to translate a Da > Zao > > > dosage > > > into grams of extract powder. > > > > > > Anybody have a system for this? > > > > > > Thanks. > > > > > > -al. > > > > > > -- > > > , DAOM > > > Pain is inevitable, suffering is optional. > > > > > > > -- > , DAOM > Pain is inevitable, suffering is optional. > > Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted June 29, 2009 Report Share Posted June 29, 2009 Z'ev, In Korea, the da zao are big. For some reason, the ones we get in America from China are small. I have been told that in old times, they used the big red dates, not the small red dates of today. What is the difference clinically between the red and black dates? K On Mon, Jun 29, 2009 at 1:45 PM, <zrosenbe wrote: > > > I wonder sometimes if it is the same da zao that was used by Zhang Ji > 1800 years ago. In other words, are the da zao we use today larger in > size due to cultivation? > > > > On Jun 29, 2009, at 1:32 PM, Al Stone wrote: > > > > > > > Yeah, I ran into some similar information just last night, reading 50 > > Medicinals by Huang Huang. He says that one Da Zao is about 2 grams > > of 1:1 > > herbs. Not sure if that includes weighing the pit or not. > > > > As usual, dosages are flexible. I think that 9-15 grams per week makes > > sense. This is also based on it's percieved potency in my mouth. For > > instance, 3 grams of huang lian will knock me over, while 3 grams of > > da zao > > is a gentle taste that can handle larger dosages. > > > > (I just tried some, to confirm the above statement, MAN da zao is > > GOOD! > > Should be added in cooking!) > > > > -al. > > > > On Mon, Jun 29, 2009 at 1:17 PM, Stephen Bonzak > > <stephenbonzak <stephenbonzak%40comcast.net>>wrote: > > > > > > > > > > > According to SHL scholar and practitioner Arnaud Versluys, the > > dosage > > > for 12 pieces of dazao found in many SHL/JGYL formulas should be 9g. > > > I believe he came to this conclusion by consulting a text in Chinese > > > wherein a noted scholar went back and measured all of the herbs > > > according to sheng/pieces/big pieces etc. It has worked for me. I > > > usually approximate this dosage in granular form at 12g of granules > > > per week if I am mixing a formula from singles. > > > > > > -Steve > > > > > > Stephen Bonzak, L.Ac., Dipl. O.M. > > > http://www.health-traditions.com > > > sbonzak <sbonzak%40pacificcollege.edu> <sbonzak% > 40pacificcollege.edu> > > > 773-470-6994 > > > > > > > > > On Jun 25, 2009, at 2:45 PM, Al Stone wrote: > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Hola Herbalistas! > > > > > > > > I wonder if anybody has a reasonable means by which we can > > translate a > > > > dosage of Da Zao (in pieces) into an extract powder of say, 5:1 > > > > extraction > > > > potency. > > > > > > > > Not really sure where to start on this or how to translate a Da > > Zao > > > > dosage > > > > into grams of extract powder. > > > > > > > > Anybody have a system for this? > > > > > > > > Thanks. > > > > > > > > -al. > > > > > > > > -- > > > > , DAOM > > > > Pain is inevitable, suffering is optional. > > > > > > > > > > > -- > > , DAOM > > Pain is inevitable, suffering is optional. > > > > Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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