Guest guest Posted June 26, 2009 Report Share Posted June 26, 2009 This abstract (public access on Medline) discusses transgenic Qing Hao, transfected with DNA from Madagascar periwinkle using a microbal vector to invade the cell and ferry in the foreign DNA. The research is conducted by th Centre for Transgenic Plant Development in India. China is also researching transgenic Artemisia. Notice the economic rationale. The trend is to develop plants (and animals) to be used as cheap drug factories. If real Qing hao becomes contaminated with GM Qing hao DNA through cross pollination (plants are grown in fields, not laboratories) it leaves the public domain. The plants will belong to whomever or whatever corporation or governmental entity holds the patent. We will not be able to identify the difference just by looking at the plant. Contamination is irreversible; it confers heritable traits. - Gena 1: Planta Med. 2009 Jun 23. [Epub ahead of print] Related Articles, Links Overexpression of the HMG-CoA Reductase Gene Leads to Enhanced Artemisinin Biosynthesis in Transgenic Artemisia annua Plants. Aquil S, Husaini AM, Abdin MZ, Rather GM. Centre for Transgenic Plant Development, Department of Biotechnology, Jamia Hamdard, New Delhi, India. An effective and affordable treatment against malaria is still a challenge for medicine. Most contemporary drugs either are too expensive to produce or are not effective against resistant strains of the malaria parasite PLASMODIUM FALCIPARUM. The plant ARTEMISIA ANNUA L. is the source of artemisinin, an effective drug against malaria for which no resistant strains of the bacterium have been reported. However, the artemisinin content of A. ANNUA is very low, which makes its production expensive. Here we report the use of transgenic technology to increase the artemisinin content of A. ANNUA. We report the production of transgenic plants of A. ANNUA into which we transferred 3-hydroxy-3-methylglutaryl CoA reductase ( HMGR) gene from CATHARANTHUS ROSEUS (L.) G. Don using AGROBACTERIUM-mediated gene transfer technology. Transgene integration and copy number were assessed by PCR and Southern hybridization, which confirmed the stable integration of multiple copies of the transgene in 7 different transgenic lines of A. ANNUA. The leaf tissue of three of the A. ANNUA transgenic lines possessed significantly higher HMGR activity compared with wild-type controls, and this activity was associated exclusively with microsomal membranes. The artemisinin content of the shoots of one of the transgenic lines depicted an increase of 22.5 % artemisinin content compared with wild-type control A. ANNUA plants. PMID: 19551613 [PubMed - as supplied by publisher] Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted June 27, 2009 Report Share Posted June 27, 2009 Gena, Thanks for the links and the abstract on qinghao...keep this line of information coming, please. I would like to offer another suggestion. As a concerned and educated person, like everyone else on this list, I am a little put off by the alarmist tone in your posts. I am not suggesting that there is no cause for alarm, clearly there is, but if other members feel the same as I do, and I am relatively sure that they do (at least many of them) that tone puts them off and makes it less likely that they will give your posts credence, or even read them. Thanks for keeping this alive. Doug, is this true that the person Gena mentioned is on this list? How is that? Isn't this list for practitioners? Perhaps the list should be closed/private. I do not like the thought that my comments are floating out there in cyber-world without me knowing about it, worst being used for anything that may injure Chinese herbal medicine or in this case perhaps a lot worse! Thomas Beijing, China Author of " Western Herbs According to Traditional : A Practitioners Guide " Check out my blog: sourcepointherbs.blogspot.com Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted June 27, 2009 Report Share Posted June 27, 2009 hhhmmmm.... well, yes I did let the editor from Inpharm magazine. I am going to delete certain posts of Gena's as I find nothing to support her claims that Inpharm has any other motive than solicit articles about chinese herbs for a special edition of their magazine centering. There is nothing to suggest that they are any other than an independent organization of Young Pharmacists in India. I apologize to Inpharm if anything else was suggested on CHA. I am going to take Inpharm off the CHA list. They indeed aren't practitioners but I found them to be an interesting group who were asking for input from our community. You may check out there webpage in India at http://www.inpharm.org.in if you are interested in either contributing or reading about them. In any case it has been interesting... I believe that the problem of plant genetics are potentially horrendous and extremely dangerous. However I don't believe we can tie every pharmacologist nor organization to this threat any more than we can tie every herbalists to poison herbs. Doug Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted June 28, 2009 Report Share Posted June 28, 2009 I hope that there will be no future exceptions to the membership policy. - Bill , " " wrote: > > hhhmmmm.... well, yes I did let the editor from Inpharm magazine. I am going to delete certain posts of Gena's as I find nothing to support her claims that Inpharm has any other motive than solicit articles about chinese herbs for a special edition of their magazine centering. There is nothing to suggest that they are any other than an independent organization of Young Pharmacists in India. I apologize to Inpharm if anything else was suggested on CHA. > > I am going to take Inpharm off the CHA list. They indeed aren't practitioners but I found them to be an interesting group who were asking for input from our community. You may check out there webpage in India at http://www.inpharm.org.in if you are interested in either contributing or reading about them. > > In any case it has been interesting... > > I believe that the problem of plant genetics are potentially horrendous and extremely dangerous. However I don't believe we can tie every pharmacologist nor organization to this threat any more than we can tie every herbalists to poison herbs. > > > > Doug > Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted June 29, 2009 Report Share Posted June 29, 2009 Bill and all CHA, I have changed my mind and will not restrict Inpharm editor from CHA after reviewing the original " charter " of CHA on the home page. " This group is restricted to healthcare professionals practicing Chinese Herbal Medicine, students enrolled in formal programs of training in Chinese Herbal Medicine, and postgraduates from related disciplines such as pharmacology, medical education, and sinology. " Again, for the record, Inpharm has only asked for papers on Chinese herbs. There is no evidence that they are " farming " us for information, even if anything of interest to them would be found on CHA. There is no evidence that they are " front group " for bio tech or bio engineering companies. They are indeed an organization of " young pharmacists " in India. India and perhaps Bangalore in particular is a very progressive area politically. I can't say that this is the case with this organization or not. I would propose that the best thing that can happen is that one of us (or as a group?) project submit a paper to their publication about any of our concerns about using Chinese herbs in " pharmacology " or as a molecular agents. This I think would really have a better outcome and delivered, I believe, to a receptive audience. The extent to which this is tied to the larger issues of biotech is up for grabs. Doug , " bill_schoenbart " <plantmed2 wrote: > > I hope that there will be no future exceptions to the membership policy. > > - Bill > > > , " " <taiqi@> wrote: > > > > hhhmmmm.... well, yes I did let the editor from Inpharm magazine. I am going to delete certain posts of Gena's as I find nothing to support her claims that Inpharm has any other motive than solicit articles about chinese herbs for a special edition of their magazine centering. There is nothing to suggest that they are any other than an independent organization of Young Pharmacists in India. I apologize to Inpharm if anything else was suggested on CHA. > > > > I am going to take Inpharm off the CHA list. They indeed aren't practitioners but I found them to be an interesting group who were asking for input from our community. You may check out there webpage in India at http://www.inpharm.org.in if you are interested in either contributing or reading about them. > > > > In any case it has been interesting... > > > > I believe that the problem of plant genetics are potentially horrendous and extremely dangerous. However I don't believe we can tie every pharmacologist nor organization to this threat any more than we can tie every herbalists to poison herbs. > > > > > > > > Doug > > > Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted June 29, 2009 Report Share Posted June 29, 2009 , wrote: > > This abstract (public access on Medline) discusses transgenic Qing Hao, transfected with DNA from Madagascar periwinkle using a microbal vector to invade the cell and ferry in the foreign DNA. The research is conducted by th Centre for Transgenic Plant Development in India. China is also researching transgenic Artemisia. Notice the economic rationale. The trend is to develop plants (and animals) to be used as cheap drug factories. This is a complex issue. I think all would agree that it would be an ecological tragedy if genetically modified herbs escaped into native habitats and contaminated the genetic purity of the original plant sources. However, I think that fundamentalist opposition should be tempered with a practical look at the risks and benefits. I am generally wary of the introduction of genetically modified products, but in the case of qing hao the issue is quite complex. For sure, protecting native habitats through establishing reserves would be essential. A focused political and financial effort to protect wild habitats, either by the non-GM groups or the pharmaceutical companies themselves, would be extremely important. But I don't think that it can be categorically said that well-controlled crops of genetically modified artemisinin-rich qing hao would be a bad thing for the world. Malaria remains one of the greatest killers in the world today. It is one of the most prevalent and ancient scourges of humanity, and it causes more suffering than nearly any other contagious disease. Artemisinin is the only known agent that has no known drug resistance, but adequate artemisinin content only occurs in qing hao when it is grown in a very precise environment. During a recent trip to the manufacturer of Blue Poppy's formulas, I noticed that the same factory also produces pure artemisinin, which they extract from qing hao that they grow locally with GAP (Good Agricultural Practices). The herbal experts on staff, as well as other researches that I have spoken to, mention that a specific elevation and environment is required to grow qing hao with a significant artemisinin content. Thus, they only grow it in one authentic, specific region. The same plant cannot be grown in other areas (like Africa) to yield an effective amount of artemisinin. The variability of artemisinin content makes the pure drug more suitable than the raw herb for precisely measured treatment (traditionally, the juice extracted from the raw herb was used for malaria, which also limits its applicability). In Africa, hundreds of thousands of people contract malaria, but the range for artemisinin-rich qing hao in China is small. The earth cannot sustain an adequate supply for the global demand in this one traditional area. It would be better to grow artemisinin-rich qing hao in Africa under strict controls. Even if it would take strict regulation and GMO crops, growing qing hao in Africa would save millions of lives and vast native Chinese herbal habitats. Finally, despite Gena's emphatic opinion that using plants as chemical factories for drugs is a universally bad thing, I have to say that I wonder if growing a field of plants damages the earth more than a purely synthetic route of synthesis. I would hate to see genetically modified organisms escape into the wild habitat, and I would never want to see genetically modified sources of the herbs that we use in TCM. I'd generally put my foot down against GM products in most applications, but I think something like qing hao needs to be thought about with an open mind. We are talking about millions of lives, a unique situation with a plant and its chemistry, and a relatively easily controlled ecological situation. Medicine is about helping people, and extreme views damage our ability to reach people. Eric Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted July 2, 2009 Report Share Posted July 2, 2009 Eric, >This is a complex issue. I think all would agree that it would be an ecological tragedy if genetically modified >herbs escaped into native habitats and contaminated the genetic purity of the original plant sources. However, I >think that fundamentalist opposition should be tempered with a practical look at the risks and benefits.I am >generally wary of the introduction of genetically modified products, but in the case of qing hao the issue is >quite complex. While I generally agree with your comments I think that the complexity of this issue is actually deeper than what you expressed in your post. First, I don't think there is truly " a practical [way to] look at the risks and benefits. " Here's why. We simply don't know. What we do know is that the " genetic purity " of a population of plants could be altered irreversibly by the introduction of a GM plant. >For sure, protecting native habitats through establishing reserves would be essential. A focused political and >financial effort to protect wild habitats, either by the non-GM groups or the pharmaceutical companies >themselves, would be extremely important. But I don't think that it can be categorically said that well->controlled crops of genetically modified artemisinin-rich qing hao would be a bad thing for the world. I totally disagree with the statement above that suggests that we can control GM crops by some means of protecting the native populations through reserves. This is simply impossible, IMHO. What do you mean by " well-controlled crops? " How are they controlled? How is the pollen kept out of the general population? This suggests a closed growing environment, is that true? >Malaria remains one of the greatest killers in the world today. It is one of the most prevalent and ancient >scourges of humanity, and it causes more suffering than nearly any other contagious disease. Artemisinin is the >only known agent that has no known drug resistance, but adequate artemisinin content only occurs in qing hao when >it is grown in a very precise environment. Actually, I believe it is the worst infectious disease on the Earth, infecting 350-500 million people each year, and killing 1-3 million (mostly children) people each year. I am not an expert, but I know someone who is and will try to find more information, but I find it hard to believe that a " very precise environment " is needed to produce adequate artemisinin from qing hao. >During a recent trip to the manufacturer of Blue Poppy's formulas, I noticed that the same factory also produces >pure artemisinin, which they extract from qing hao that they grow locally with GAP (Good Agricultural Practices). >The herbal experts on staff, as well as other researches that I have spoken to, mention that a specific elevation >and environment is required to grow qing hao with a significant artemisinin content. Thus, they only grow it in >one authentic, specific region. The same plant cannot be grown in other areas (like Africa) to yield an effective >amount of artemisinin. I simply find this hard to believe. Are you suggesting that only in China does it produce high levels of artemisinin? It is native from South-Central Europe through most of Asia to South China. But as many probably know it is naturalized throughout much of the world...it grows in the in cracks and crevices throughout Beijing. There must be many places it can be grown with good results. >The variability of artemisinin content makes the pure drug more suitable than the raw herb for precisely measured >treatment (traditionally, the juice extracted from the raw herb was used for malaria, which also limits its >applicability). In Africa, hundreds of thousands of people contract malaria, but the range for artemisinin-rich >qing hao in China is small. The earth cannot sustain an adequate supply for the global demand in this one >traditional area. It would be better to grow artemisinin-rich qing hao in Africa under strict controls. Even if it >would take strict regulation and GMO crops, growing qing hao in Africa would save millions of lives and vast >native Chinese herbal habitats. Again, see above...there are hundreds of millions of people around the world, mostly in Africa, who contract malaria. I find it hard to believe that there is no place in the world outside of a few small places in China where good A. annua (qinghao) can be grown. Where do we draw the line if not here. The implications go beyond simply considering the number of lives that may be saved. The implications, I believe, speak to the potential of destroying our entire ecosystem.... >Finally, despite Gena's emphatic opinion that using plants as chemical factories for drugs is a universally bad >thing, I have to say that I wonder if growing a field of plants damages the earth more than a purely synthetic >route of synthesis. hmmmm....? >I would hate to see genetically modified organisms escape into the wild habitat, and I would never want to see >genetically modified sources of the herbs that we use in TCM. I'd generally put my foot down against GM products >in most applications, but I think something like qing hao needs to be thought about with an open mind. We are >talking about millions of lives, a unique situation with a plant and its chemistry, and a relatively easily >controlled ecological situation. Medicine is about helping people, and extreme views damage our ability to reach >people. What applications do you think are OK? Again, where do we draw the line? Easily controlled? Really? How? I agree that fundamentalism and the way it is often expressed is usually deplorable if not laugable, however I am not so sure that this case does not require a bit of fundamentalism....but without the emphatic (and I would say poor) style of communication. Thanks for bantering about, thomas Beijing, China Author of " Western Herbs According to Traditional : A Practitioners Guide " Check out my blog: sourcepointherbs.blogspot.com Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted July 2, 2009 Report Share Posted July 2, 2009 , wrote: > Again, see above...there are hundreds of millions of people around the > world, mostly in Africa, who contract malaria. I find it hard to believe > that there is no place in the world outside of a few small places in China > where good A. annua (qinghao) can be grown. I'm certainly not pro-GMO by any means, nor do I have any expertise on qing hao. But the original link mentioned that the reason for doing the GMO qing hao in the first place was the fact that the artemisinin content was generally too low in most specimens to make the drug affordable. It seems like the discussion would be moot if an adequate growing region was enough to solve the problem. Obviously the best solution would be to find a region where natural qing hao can produce enough artemisinin to be used for manufacturing the drug. There must be ways to work with the soil, find a comparable elevation/climate, and just use good old-fashioned selective breeding to increase the artemisinin yield. Presumably this would be cheaper, easier, and safer than the GMO approach. I assume someone has thought about it. I don't have much to say about this issue. I'm against genetically modified organisms, so I'm certainly not going to stand up for Monsanto here. But I do think that these things need to be thought about case-by-case, based on evidence and not just dogma. Eric Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted July 3, 2009 Report Share Posted July 3, 2009 Another point of great concern is that by transforming qing hao into a crude drug, artemisin, for treating malaria is not much different than the former use of quinine from cinchona bark. Resistance is built up easily to single drugs, and then the substance ceases to work. I'd be interested in whether this has been the case with artemisin. . On Jul 2, 2009, at 10:25 PM, Eric Brand wrote: > > > , > wrote: > > Again, see above...there are hundreds of millions of people around > the > > world, mostly in Africa, who contract malaria. I find it hard to > believe > > that there is no place in the world outside of a few small places > in China > > where good A. annua (qinghao) can be grown. > > I'm certainly not pro-GMO by any means, nor do I have any expertise > on qing hao. But the original link mentioned that the reason for > doing the GMO qing hao in the first place was the fact that the > artemisinin content was generally too low in most specimens to make > the drug affordable. It seems like the discussion would be moot if > an adequate growing region was enough to solve the problem. > Obviously the best solution would be to find a region where natural > qing hao can produce enough artemisinin to be used for manufacturing > the drug. There must be ways to work with the soil, find a > comparable elevation/climate, and just use good old-fashioned > selective breeding to increase the artemisinin yield. Presumably > this would be cheaper, easier, and safer than the GMO approach. I > assume someone has thought about it. > > I don't have much to say about this issue. I'm against genetically > modified organisms, so I'm certainly not going to stand up for > Monsanto here. But I do think that these things need to be thought > about case-by-case, based on evidence and not just dogma. > > Eric > > > Chair, Department of Herbal Medicine Pacific College of Oriental Medicine San Diego, Ca. 92122 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted July 3, 2009 Report Share Posted July 3, 2009 , <zrosenbe wrote: > > Another point of great concern is that by transforming qing hao into a > crude drug, artemisin, for treating malaria is not much different than > the former use of quinine from cinchona bark. Resistance is built up > easily to single drugs, and then the substance ceases to work. I'd be > interested in whether this has been the case with artemisin. . So far, artemisinin is unique because it is the only agent with no known resistance. Let's hope it stays this way. I found an article online that seems to suggest that the artemisinin content could be increased with traditional selective breeding. The abstract is below. Eric http://cat.inist.fr/?aModele=afficheN & cpsidt=14132588 Artemisinin, the endoperoxide sesquiterpene lactone produced by the Chinese medicinal herb Artemisia annua, is very difficult to synthesise. Moreover, its production by mean of cell, tissue or organ cultures is very low. Presently, only its extraction from cultivated plants is viable. A large variation in artemisinin content has been observed in the leaves of plants from different origins. The genetic basis of this variation has been assessed and evidence for a quantitative inheritance of the artemisinin concentration presented. Additive genetic components were predominant, resulting in a high narrow-sense heritability estimate. Thus, goods results can be expected from mass selection for the breeding of lines of Artemisia annua rich in artemisinin. Yet, dominance variance is also present in the total genetic variability, indicating that crosses between selected genotypes should generate progenies with particularly high artemisinin content. As a matter of fact, selection and crossing, in wild populations, of genotypes with high artemisinin concentration resulted in hybrid lines containing up to 1.4 % artemisinin (on dry leaves basis). Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted July 3, 2009 Report Share Posted July 3, 2009 You are correct, Z'ev. Resistance in response to isolated compounds occurs over time as a general rule, and Artemsin has proven no exception. http://www.tropika.net/svc/news/20090526/Chinnock-20090526-News-Artemisin-Resist\ ance ________________________________ <zrosenbe Friday, July 3, 2009 2:26:17 PM Re: Re: Transgenic Qing Hao Another point of great concern is that by transforming qing hao into a crude drug, artemisin, for treating malaria is not much different than the former use of quinine from cinchona bark. Resistance is built up easily to single drugs, and then the substance ceases to work. I'd be interested in whether this has been the case with artemisin.. . On Jul 2, 2009, at 10:25 PM, Eric Brand wrote: > > > , > <tag.plantgeek@ ...> wrote: > > Again, see above...there are hundreds of millions of people around > the > > world, mostly in Africa, who contract malaria. I find it hard to > believe > > that there is no place in the world outside of a few small places > in China > > where good A.. annua (qinghao) can be grown. > > I'm certainly not pro-GMO by any means, nor do I have any expertise > on qing hao. But the original link mentioned that the reason for > doing the GMO qing hao in the first place was the fact that the > artemisinin content was generally too low in most specimens to make > the drug affordable. It seems like the discussion would be moot if > an adequate growing region was enough to solve the problem. > Obviously the best solution would be to find a region where natural > qing hao can produce enough artemisinin to be used for manufacturing > the drug. There must be ways to work with the soil, find a > comparable elevation/climate, and just use good old-fashioned > selective breeding to increase the artemisinin yield. Presumably > this would be cheaper, easier, and safer than the GMO approach. I > assume someone has thought about it. > > I don't have much to say about this issue. I'm against genetically > modified organisms, so I'm certainly not going to stand up for > Monsanto here. But I do think that these things need to be thought > about case-by-case, based on evidence and not just dogma. > > Eric > > > Chair, Department of Herbal Medicine Pacific College of Oriental Medicine San Diego, Ca. 92122 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted July 3, 2009 Report Share Posted July 3, 2009 From the CDC site http://www.cdc.gov/ncidod/eid/vol4no3/nchinda.htm A number of factors appear to be contributing to the resurgence of malaria: 1) rapid spread of resistance of malaria parasites to chloroquine and the other quinolines; 2) frequent armed conflicts and civil unrest in many countries, forcing large populations to settle under difficult conditions, sometimes in areas of high malaria transmission; 3) migration (for reasons of agriculture, commerce, and trade) of nonimmune populations from nonmalarious and usually high to low parts of the same country where transmission is high; 4) changing rainfall patterns as well as water development projects such as dams and irrigation schemes, which create new mosquito breeding sites; 5) adverse socioeconomic conditions leading to a much reduced health budget and gross inadequacy of funds for drugs; 6) high birth rates leading to a rapid increase in the susceptible population under 5 years of age; and 7) changes in the behavior of the vectors, particularly in biting habits, from indoor to outdoor biters. , " Eric Brand " <smilinglotus wrote: > > , <moringa123@> wrote: > > > > This abstract (public access on Medline) discusses transgenic Qing Hao, transfected with DNA from Madagascar periwinkle using a microbal vector to invade the cell and ferry in the foreign DNA. The research is conducted by th Centre for Transgenic Plant Development in India. China is also researching transgenic Artemisia. Notice the economic rationale. The trend is to develop plants (and animals) to be used as cheap drug factories. > > This is a complex issue. I think all would agree that it would be an ecological tragedy if genetically modified herbs escaped into native habitats and contaminated the genetic purity of the original plant sources. However, I think that fundamentalist opposition should be tempered with a practical look at the risks and benefits. I am generally wary of the introduction of genetically modified products, but in the case of qing hao the issue is quite complex. > > For sure, protecting native habitats through establishing reserves would be essential. A focused political and financial effort to protect wild habitats, either by the non-GM groups or the pharmaceutical companies themselves, would be extremely important. But I don't think that it can be categorically said that well-controlled crops of genetically modified artemisinin-rich qing hao would be a bad thing for the world. > > Malaria remains one of the greatest killers in the world today. It is one of the most prevalent and ancient scourges of humanity, and it causes more suffering than nearly any other contagious disease. Artemisinin is the only known agent that has no known drug resistance, but adequate artemisinin content only occurs in qing hao when it is grown in a very precise environment. > > During a recent trip to the manufacturer of Blue Poppy's formulas, I noticed that the same factory also produces pure artemisinin, which they extract from qing hao that they grow locally with GAP (Good Agricultural Practices). The herbal experts on staff, as well as other researches that I have spoken to, mention that a specific elevation and environment is required to grow qing hao with a significant artemisinin content. Thus, they only grow it in one authentic, specific region. The same plant cannot be grown in other areas (like Africa) to yield an effective amount of artemisinin. > > The variability of artemisinin content makes the pure drug more suitable than the raw herb for precisely measured treatment (traditionally, the juice extracted from the raw herb was used for malaria, which also limits its applicability). In Africa, hundreds of thousands of people contract malaria, but the range for artemisinin-rich qing hao in China is small. The earth cannot sustain an adequate supply for the global demand in this one traditional area. It would be better to grow artemisinin-rich qing hao in Africa under strict controls. Even if it would take strict regulation and GMO crops, growing qing hao in Africa would save millions of lives and vast native Chinese herbal habitats. > > Finally, despite Gena's emphatic opinion that using plants as chemical factories for drugs is a universally bad thing, I have to say that I wonder if growing a field of plants damages the earth more than a purely synthetic route of synthesis. > > I would hate to see genetically modified organisms escape into the wild habitat, and I would never want to see genetically modified sources of the herbs that we use in TCM. I'd generally put my foot down against GM products in most applications, but I think something like qing hao needs to be thought about with an open mind. We are talking about millions of lives, a unique situation with a plant and its chemistry, and a relatively easily controlled ecological situation. Medicine is about helping people, and extreme views damage our ability to reach people. > > Eric > Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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