Changpu versus Shichangpu?

September 3, 2009

Hi Gerry & All,

See: http://tinyurl.com/n8mvjk and http://tinyurl.com/nl4o4f

Rz Acori Calami: Changpu ; Zangchangpu ; Chouchangpu

; Shuichangpu ; Nichangpu ; Dayechangpu ;

Baichangpu ; calamus/flag/flagleaf

Rz Acori graminei / tatarinowii: Shichangpu ; Shanchangpu ;

Yaochangpu ; Jinqianpu ; Changpuye ; Shuijiancao

; Xiangchangpu

Chinese sources are confusing re clear distinctions between medical

properties of Acorus calamus and Acorus gramineus and often use them

interchangeably. See also Subhuti Dharmananda's article: " PINELLIA,

ARISAEMA, ACORUS, and TYPHONIUM " at http://tinyurl.com/l8289b

Though it has actions and uses in common with Acorus spp,

Jiujiechangpu is a different species [Rz Anemonis altaicae].

http://tinyurl.com/myqsew says:

CHINESE NAMES: Jiujiechangpu; Chuanguqi ; Jiechangpu

; Jingchangpu ; Jiujieli ; Jizhaolian ;

Juxingshuangpingmei ; Shanxichang ; Taiyuanchang

; Waichangpu ; Xiaochangpu ;

COMMON NAME: Altaica; Irkutsk Anemone Rz;

LATIN NAME: Rz Anemonis altaicae;

CLASS: Open Portals (Resuscitate); Dispel Wind;

NATURE & CHANNELS: Warm; Acrid; HT; LV; SP;

DOSE: As Dec / Pill / Powder / fresh juice: 1.5-7g; As Topical: qs as pulped

Hb / fine powder / Dec as wash;

ACTIONS: Disperse Damp Turbidity (Sanshizhuo ); Govern Filth

(Bihui ); Release Toxin; Resolve Phlegm; Dispel Phlegm (Zhutan );

Dispel Phlegm + Lessen Accumulation (Chutan Xiaoji ); Open

Portals (Resuscitate) (Kaiqiao ); Open + Free HT Portals (Kaixin

Tongqiao ); Awaken Shen (Resuscitate) (Xingshen ); Calm

Shen; Disperse Qi (Xuanqi ); Dispel Wind Damp (Qufengshi );

Disperse Damp + Activate SP (Xuanshi Xingpi ); Open ST /

Appetizer (Kaiwei ); Calming / Sedative; Hypnotic; Analgesic; inhibit

amphetamine-induced sexual arousal; As Topical to Release Toxin +

insecticide (Jiedu Shachong );

CLINICAL USES: fever w coma / unconsciousness (Rebing Shenhun

); fever w coma / stupor (Rebing Hunmi ), epilepsy (Dianxian

); Qi Block + deafness (Qibi Erlong ); tinnitus + deafness (Erming

Erlong ), neurosis (Shenjing Guannengzheng ),

insomnia w many dreams + amnesia (Duomeng Jianwang ); chest

oppression w abdomen distension (Xiongmen Fuzhang ); chest +

abdomen distention + oppression (Xiongfu Zhangmen ); anorexia

(Shiyu Buzhen); Wind Damp Bi pain (Fengshi Bitong );

neurasthenia (Shenjing Shuairuo ); indigestion (Xiaohua Buliang

); Wind Cold Damp Bi-Obstruction (Fenghan Shibi ); fever w

coma / unconsciousness + delirious speech (Wenbing Shenhun Zhanyu

); epilepsy + mania (Dianxian Fakuang ); diarrhea (Xiali

); Damp Turbidity Block in ST + causing (Yin Shizhuo Zuyu Weizhong

Erzhi emesis + inappetance etc (Outu Bushi Deng

); HT Qi Insufficiency (Xinqi Buzu ); fright epilepsy (Jingxian

); cough Counterflow (Keni ); Vexation + Oppression (Fanmen

); HT + abdomen pain (Xinfu Tong ); Sudden Turmoil (acute

gastroenteritis / cholera) (Huoluan ); Wind Damp Bi (rheumatic Bi)

; As Topical for carbuncles + deep-rooted sores / ulcers (Yongju );

scabies + tinea (Jiexuan / Chuangxuan );

COMBOS: for infantile Fright Wind (convulsion) (Xiao'er Jijingfeng

, febrile convulsion (Gaore Chouchu ): Jiujiechangpu (Xian)

() 9g, pound + filter off juice (Daolan Luzhi ) + add several

drops of Ginger Juice (Jia Jiangzhi Shudi ), pour + serve (Guanfu

); alternative is: Jiujiechangpu 3g + Yuanzhi 3g; Dec + serve

(Shuijian Fu ); for chest oppression (Xiongmen ), abdomen

distension + pain (Fuzhang Tengtong ): Jiujiechangpu 9g, Xiangfu

12g, Wuzhuyu 6g; Dec + serve; for carbuncles + deep-rooted

sores / ulcers + sores / ulcers + carbuncles (Yongju Chuangjie ):

Jiujiechangpu (Xian), pound + apply as Topical (Daolan Waifu );

CAUTION / AVOID (Shenfu ) in Yinxu w Yang Hyperactive (Yinxu

Yangkang ), Vexation + agitation w sweat~ copious (Fanzao

Handuo ), spermatorrhoea (Jinghua )

Best regards,

September 3, 2009

Thank you Phil to bring this up to my attention. I have not heard of this

Anemone altaica is also called " Jiu jie chang pu " before today.

But if you search more thoroughly, I believe you could also find that most

people agree the " jiu jie chang puä¹èŠ‚è–è’² " which was described in the old

books

is either Acorus calamus <http://baike.baidu.com/view/234014.htm> or Acorus

gramineus <http://baike.baidu.com/view/128176.htm> .

I'm not sure how " Anemone altaica " get the same name today, thank you again

for this information, otherwise if I follow some old formulas I might get a

totally different herb if " jiu-jie-chang-pu " is called.

Thanks,

Gerry

On Thu, Sep 3, 2009 at 1:31 PM, < wrote:

>

> Hi Gerry & All,

>

> See: http://tinyurl.com/n8mvjk and http://tinyurl.com/nl4o4f

>

> Rz Acori Calami: Changpu ; Zangchangpu ; Chouchangpu

> ; Shuichangpu ; Nichangpu ; Dayechangpu ;

> Baichangpu ; calamus/flag/flagleaf

>

> Rz Acori graminei / tatarinowii: Shichangpu ; Shanchangpu ;

> Yaochangpu ; Jinqianpu ; Changpuye ; Shuijiancao

> ; Xiangchangpu

>

> Chinese sources are confusing re clear distinctions between medical

> properties of Acorus calamus and Acorus gramineus and often use them

> interchangeably. See also Subhuti Dharmananda's article: " PINELLIA,

> ARISAEMA, ACORUS, and TYPHONIUM " at http://tinyurl.com/l8289b

>

> Though it has actions and uses in common with Acorus spp,

> Jiujiechangpu is a different species [Rz Anemonis altaicae].

> http://tinyurl.com/myqsew says:

>

> CHINESE NAMES: Jiujiechangpu; Chuanguqi ; Jiechangpu

> ; Jingchangpu ; Jiujieli ; Jizhaolian ;

> Juxingshuangpingmei ; Shanxichang ; Taiyuanchang

> ; Waichangpu ; Xiaochangpu ;

>

> COMMON NAME: Altaica; Irkutsk Anemone Rz;

>

> LATIN NAME: Rz Anemonis altaicae;

>

> CLASS: Open Portals (Resuscitate); Dispel Wind;

>

> NATURE & CHANNELS: Warm; Acrid; HT; LV; SP;

>

> DOSE: As Dec / Pill / Powder / fresh juice: 1.5-7g; As Topical: qs as

> pulped

> Hb / fine powder / Dec as wash;

>

> ACTIONS: Disperse Damp Turbidity (Sanshizhuo ); Govern Filth

> (Bihui ); Release Toxin; Resolve Phlegm; Dispel Phlegm (Zhutan );

> Dispel Phlegm + Lessen Accumulation (Chutan Xiaoji ); Open

> Portals (Resuscitate) (Kaiqiao ); Open + Free HT Portals (Kaixin

> Tongqiao ); Awaken Shen (Resuscitate) (Xingshen ); Calm

> Shen; Disperse Qi (Xuanqi ); Dispel Wind Damp (Qufengshi );

> Disperse Damp + Activate SP (Xuanshi Xingpi ); Open ST /

> Appetizer (Kaiwei ); Calming / Sedative; Hypnotic; Analgesic; inhibit

> amphetamine-induced sexual arousal; As Topical to Release Toxin +

> insecticide (Jiedu Shachong );

>

> CLINICAL USES: fever w coma / unconsciousness (Rebing Shenhun

> ); fever w coma / stupor (Rebing Hunmi ), epilepsy (Dianxian

> ); Qi Block + deafness (Qibi Erlong ); tinnitus + deafness (Erming

> Erlong ), neurosis (Shenjing Guannengzheng ),

> insomnia w many dreams + amnesia (Duomeng Jianwang ); chest

> oppression w abdomen distension (Xiongmen Fuzhang ); chest +

> abdomen distention + oppression (Xiongfu Zhangmen ); anorexia

> (Shiyu Buzhen); Wind Damp Bi pain (Fengshi Bitong );

> neurasthenia (Shenjing Shuairuo ); indigestion (Xiaohua Buliang

> ); Wind Cold Damp Bi-Obstruction (Fenghan Shibi ); fever w

> coma / unconsciousness + delirious speech (Wenbing Shenhun Zhanyu

> ); epilepsy + mania (Dianxian Fakuang ); diarrhea (Xiali

> ); Damp Turbidity Block in ST + causing (Yin Shizhuo Zuyu Weizhong

> Erzhi emesis + inappetance etc (Outu Bushi Deng

> ); HT Qi Insufficiency (Xinqi Buzu ); fright epilepsy (Jingxian

> ); cough Counterflow (Keni ); Vexation + Oppression (Fanmen

> ); HT + abdomen pain (Xinfu Tong ); Sudden Turmoil (acute

> gastroenteritis / cholera) (Huoluan ); Wind Damp Bi (rheumatic Bi)

> ; As Topical for carbuncles + deep-rooted sores / ulcers (Yongju );

> scabies + tinea (Jiexuan / Chuangxuan );

>

> COMBOS: for infantile Fright Wind (convulsion) (Xiao'er Jijingfeng

> , febrile convulsion (Gaore Chouchu ): Jiujiechangpu (Xian)

> () 9g, pound + filter off juice (Daolan Luzhi ) + add several

> drops of Ginger Juice (Jia Jiangzhi Shudi ), pour + serve (Guanfu

> ); alternative is: Jiujiechangpu 3g + Yuanzhi 3g; Dec + serve

> (Shuijian Fu ); for chest oppression (Xiongmen ), abdomen

> distension + pain (Fuzhang Tengtong ): Jiujiechangpu 9g, Xiangfu

> 12g, Wuzhuyu 6g; Dec + serve; for carbuncles + deep-rooted

> sores / ulcers + sores / ulcers + carbuncles (Yongju Chuangjie ):

> Jiujiechangpu (Xian), pound + apply as Topical (Daolan Waifu );

>

> CAUTION / AVOID (Shenfu ) in Yinxu w Yang Hyperactive (Yinxu

> Yangkang ), Vexation + agitation w sweat~ copious (Fanzao

> Handuo ), spermatorrhoea (Jinghua )

>

> Best regards,

>

September 4, 2009