Guest guest Posted September 29, 2009 Report Share Posted September 29, 2009 Can anyone answer some questions about Pine pollen/Song Hua Fen? I'm reading and am very intrigued by The Natural Testosterone Plan: For Sexual Health and Energy by Stephen Harrod Buhner. It wasn't mentioned in OM school and isn't listed in the Materia Medica's by Bensky or Chen. The author claims it's a phytoandrogen and can increase testosterone levels along with David's Lily, Stinging Nettle, Bai Ji Li, and the various ginsengs. What are its properties/tastes/channels/functions? Is it a yang tonic? Has anyone used this successfully for testosterone boosting? Is this available by any suppliers in granules? All thoughts appreciated- Eric Rothgeb, L.Ac. L.M.T., Dipl.O.M. PranaJaya 5115 N. Ravenswood, 2nd FL. Chicago, IL 60640 773-271-7909 www.pranajaya.com Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted September 30, 2009 Report Share Posted September 30, 2009 Hi Eric, I have Song Hua Fen, the dried pine pollen from pinus massoniana or pinus tabulaeformis, listed in " A coloured atlas of the Chinese Materia Medica specified in the Pharmacopoeia of the People's republic of China " . They claim it is to be used externally of weeping or bleeding sores and wounds, including eczema, traumatic injury, diaper dermatitis, etc. Nothing noted about male fertility or even internal usage. I will make a note of warning though. If you are trying to pump up sperm volume, giving any sort of exogenous testosterone is not the way to do it This tricks the body into thinking that there is plenty available and the testes actually stop producing it's own testosterone and thus sperm production goes down. Exogenous testosterone is probably best for those who don't care about their testes and want bigger biceps! Trevor , " alivechgo " <alivechgo wrote: > > Can anyone answer some questions about Pine pollen/Song Hua Fen? > > I'm reading and am very intrigued by The Natural Testosterone Plan: For Sexual Health and Energy by Stephen Harrod Buhner. It wasn't mentioned in OM school and isn't listed in the Materia Medica's by Bensky or Chen. > > The author claims it's a phytoandrogen and can increase testosterone levels along with David's Lily, Stinging Nettle, Bai Ji Li, and the various ginsengs. > > What are its properties/tastes/channels/functions? Is it a yang tonic? > > Has anyone used this successfully for testosterone boosting? > > Is this available by any suppliers in granules? > > All thoughts appreciated- > > Eric Rothgeb, L.Ac. L.M.T., Dipl.O.M. > > PranaJaya > 5115 N. Ravenswood, 2nd FL. > Chicago, IL 60640 > 773-271-7909 > www.pranajaya.com > Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted September 30, 2009 Report Share Posted September 30, 2009 , " alivechgo " <alivechgo wrote: > > Can anyone answer some questions about Pine pollen/Song Hua Fen? Never seen this in granule form. It isn't used enough clinically in mainstream Chinese medicine to merit manufacturing by a granule company, simply because it has no established market. You could easily get it manufactured on a custom basis, but you'd need to buy 50-100 kg of granule extract to do so. According to the Zhong Yao Da Ci Dian (Great Encyclopedia of Chinese Medicinals), its actions are as follows: Warm, sweet; nontoxic. Enters the liver and spleen. Dispels wind and boosts qi; constrains dampness, and stanches bleeding. Treats dizziness; center vacuity and stomach pain; enduring dysentery; damp, putrefying sores; bleeding from external injury. Eric Brand blog: http://bluepoppy.com/blog/blogs/index.php Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted September 30, 2009 Report Share Posted September 30, 2009 Thanks Trevor & Eric- I have a number of men who are taking exogenous testosterone replacement (Androgel, injections) and several have asked about natural androgen replacement because they're concerned about the long term effects of the medication. They all have testicular atrophy from taking the meds but they do feel better. Many of them are HIV positive so I'd also like to find out if their low testosterone (total & free) levels are due HIV and/or the meds used to suppress HIV. A few clients have asked about Tribulus (Bai/Ci) Ji Li as there is literature out there as it being a androgen booster. (studies have shown that Tribulus increases serum levels of LH, leading to higher levels of testosterone, it also increases DHEA, sperm production and motility- www.libolov.com, www.tribestan.com) This led me to checking out Buhner' book. IS there a correllation with wind Dispelling herbs (Ji Li, Song Hua Fen) and increases in testosterone? (None of the men I'm working with have any LV yang rising or wind/wind heat signs) Do Tian Ma and Gou Teng also have androgen boosting functions? If I'm working with men who already have been taking exogenous testosterone wouldn't this be a better alternative? Is this being used at all in China for this purpose? Thanks for your responses Eric Rothgeb, L.Ac. L.M.T., Dipl.O.M. PranaJaya 5115 N. Ravenswood, 2nd FL. Chicago, IL 60640 773-271-7909 www.pranajaya.comc Rothgeb, L.Ac., L Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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