RE: bad news (FU ZI)

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Sharon,

 

 

 

1) I have also had good luck with fu zi (actually just this week) with

a severe insomnia, anxiety patient. Like you said, this was from stoking the

yang, not sedating the patient.

 

2) The only way I can differentiate possible toxicity (or

improper/different processing) is by comparing both types in the same

formula and same patient. I have done this with a dozen patients including

myself. The first time, was a few months ago when we switched to Spring

wind's new fu zi, and second, was recently when we ran out and went back to

using the old fu zi. I have no idea about the details of how these guys

process the stuff, that is not my job. But what I do know there is a

dramatic difference in clinical effect. I myself got severe insomnia when I

switched back to the old fu zi (same formula and dose). So all that I can

say is the old stuff is different.

 

3) The numbness and dizziness (in a certain patient) was with the old

fu zi. We switched to SW's new one and there was no such symptoms. This is

pretty clear to me that there is a difference. Now is this from different

variety, different processing etc, I don't really know. I just know that the

new SW's is safer and more gentler (less side-effects). Consequently, I have

been able to use higher doses and get better (smoother) results.

 

 

 

Has anyone else compared these two like this? Others thoughts?

 

 

 

-Jason

 

 

 

 

On Behalf Of sharon weizenbaum

Friday, October 09, 2009 9:13 AM

 

Re: bad news

 

 

 

 

 

Alon,

 

I have seen such side effects from fuzi with as little as 3 g. I think

this

is a real issue, hence why I brought up the quality control thread a

couple

months ago. I was surprised at some of the responses, essentially saying

that is completely safe. I will say again, I think there is a huge

difference between Spring Wind's new fuzi and other varieties. The

interesting thing about the article that you posted is that it

mentions that

the media portrays it as " herbal Valium. " Have others seen it having

such a

sedating effect? I find it, in general, mostly stimulating. However, I

am

using therapeutic doses, and people that fit an appropriate diagnosis.

 

Comments?

 

-

 

Hello all,

 

I agree that Fu Zi seems to be stimulating. On the other hand, I have

gotten some good results for patients with Yang rising - symptoms

being severe headache and insomnia - when there is a true Yang

deficiency below. None-the-less, it seems that calling it an herbal

valium is quite misleading. My results for insomnia I've interpreted

as a result of rooting the Yang through stoking it at the root and not

as a result of sedating in any way.

 

In fact, in terms of side effects, over stimulation and heat are the

side effects I have seen in my own patients. These side effects have,

as Jason reports, can come from a relatively small amount of Fu Zi.

I can't say anything about this being due to the type of Fu Zi I have

used which is exclusively Spring Wind. I've interpreted the side

effects as being either a dosage or a diagnostic issue. (ie inaccurate

diagnosis or inaccurate dosages or proportions) I've also used

relatively larger doses of Fu Zi with no side effects at all.

 

I've never had side effects that would indicate Fu Zi toxicity such as

numbness though. I think there is a difference between a side effect

from an excess of the temperature or nature of an herb and a side

effect from it's un-neutralized toxicity.

 

My question is, how do people differentiate the effects of the

temperature and nature of an herb and the effects from a poison in the

herb? Fu Zi, after all, is quite hot and stimulating. Are the

various varieties different in their level of toxicity or in their

level of warmth and acridity? Are some varieties able to be quite

warm and boosting in mellower ways?

 

Best

 

Sharon

 

Sharon Weizenbaum

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