Guest guest Posted October 28, 2009 Report Share Posted October 28, 2009 Thanks Steve, IS this book mainly a Western herb book, or does it also contain Chinese herb formulas etc. As an interesting aside, I think the formation of stones was caused by using a high-end water filter. The water was too alkaline, with a pH of about 9.0. -Jason On Behalf Of Steve Edwards Tuesday, October 27, 2009 6:04 PM Re: herbs for cat Jason, There is a book called " The complete Herbal Handbook for the Dog and Cat " by Juliette de Bairacli Levy. Not sure if it's still in print, but here are her suggestions: Asthma Make strong brew of elecampane(not sure what this is), and give a tbsp BID, sweetened with honey. It also mentions using xin yi hua for asthma. Stones Blames chlorinated water for the problem, and recommends an infusion of the root of couch grass by simmering for 15 minutes, using two ounces of the root. She also recommends young birch leaves, infused. Also add finely shredded parsley and carrot to their feed, along with the addition of honey. Lots of book stores will do a book search for the book if it is out of print, or you may find it on the internet. Steve Edwards, L.Ac. ________________________________ < <%40Chinese Medicine> > <%40> Tue, October 27, 2009 6:06:57 PM herbs for cat This may be slightly off topic, however I will give it a shot. I am wanting to prescribe a Chinese herbal formula for my cat who is suffering from some asthma condition (and some urinary stones -- too alkaline). I was wondering if anyone can point me in the right direction (Internet source/book/ personal experience etc.) to some key points in giving herbs to a cat. For example, contraindicated herbs, typical herbal strategies etc. Thanks in advance, -Jason Acupuncture www.ChineseMedicine doc.com Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted October 28, 2009 Report Share Posted October 28, 2009 _Four Paws Five Directions: A guide to for Cats and Dogs_ by Cheryl Schwartz, DVM may be a helpful source. In caring for my cats, I have made use of advice from a wholistic vet, this book, and Dr. Pitcairn's book on natural health for pets. The Pitcairn book has useful recipe ideas for modifying diet in certain conditions. The homemade cat food really extended the life quality and years of several cats (fewer vet visits). For urinary problems, I added a bit of grated parsley root. I gave one old cat liu wei di huang wan teapills ground up in a coffee grinder and mixed in his food. The other way of administering herbs to cats is to squirt from a vet syringe (with needle removed) down throat. You can only put so much odd-tasting stuff in their food or they won't eat it. As you probably know, the method of administering anything foreign to a cat is a delicate mix of gentle coaxing while acting like you could care less. Frances Gander Athens, OH Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted October 28, 2009 Report Share Posted October 28, 2009 * This is available from Redwing Books. Joe Four Paws, Five Directions* by Cheryl Schwartz<http://www.redwingbooks.com/products/authors/Cheryl%20Schwartz.cfm> Trade paperback book, 406 pages Published: 1996 Dimensions: 8.5 " by 9.5 " Price: $29.95 ISBN: 9780890877906 Including: Index ~ Footnotes ~ Photographs ~ Illustrations More: Traditional Chinese Medicine<http://www.redwingbooks.com/products/subjects/CMC.cfm> *Ships next business day!* (There is ample current stock of this title.) *S*tyled for home animal care with emphasis on clear, uncomplicated approaches using acupuncture, Chinese herbs, acupressure and diet, this book includes full-color photos that chart the meridians and acupressure points of 32 various dogs and cats. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted October 28, 2009 Report Share Posted October 28, 2009 Hi Jason, I treated my cat for years for hyperthyroidism: she presented with the classic biomedical s/s. Looked from a Chinese medical perspective like she was Yin Xu with Heat. I used variations of Liu Wei Di Huang Wan. I got her to take it by taking the powdered herbs to a compounding pharmacist who mixed my formula into a fishy flavored base. I squirted said concoction onto her food or directly into her mouth with a syringe. It took some math to adjust the formula's dose. As with peds, knowing the patient's body weight is important. Years later my cat Tuna died of cancer, not the hyperthyroidism. Hope that's useful, GuruRas (Della Lawhon) , " " wrote: > > This may be slightly off topic, however I will give it a shot. I am wanting > to prescribe a Chinese herbal formula for my cat who is suffering from some > asthma condition (and some urinary stones -- too alkaline). I was wondering > if anyone can point me in the right direction (Internet source/book/personal > experience etc.) to some key points in giving herbs to a cat. For example, > contraindicated herbs, typical herbal strategies etc. > > > > Thanks in advance, > > > > -Jason > > > > > Acupuncture > > > > > > > www.ChineseMedicinedoc.com > > > > > Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted October 28, 2009 Report Share Posted October 28, 2009 Jason, If you are still in touch with he is a cat person also. You can, as well, check the CHA messages. I typed in " cats " in the search at CHA and found a number of posts, 2007 in particular. Doug , " " <jblalac Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted October 28, 2009 Report Share Posted October 28, 2009 Hi Jason, Last year I had to consult with a fellow acupuncturist and Chinese herbal practitioner that was also a vet. Although the condition I treated in my cat was different (swollen glands due to infection). I can share with you the recommended dosage and experience. The dosage suggested was 0.5 grams of 5:1 extract powder per 10 lbs. of body weight twice a day (bid). The herbs suggested were exactly what I would have used for a human (Pu Ji Xiao Da Yin). The results were excellent. I mixed the powder extract into his soft food. My cat didn't want to eat it at first but when I removed all other food sources he finally gave in. Hope this helps. I'd also be interested in learning more about Chinese herbs that cannot be used for animals or that have a different effect in animals. Kindest Regards, Michelle N. Soucy, Lic. Ac., MAOM Concord Center Acupuncture 91 Main St., Ste. 201 Concord, MA 01742 978-369-9400 info www.concordcenteracupuncture.com Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted October 28, 2009 Report Share Posted October 28, 2009 Jason and Steve, Jason: Yes, this is a Western herb book written by a famous folk herbalist who passed away a little more than a year ago (if my memory serves me right, perhaps it was longer). Juliette was a wonderful and talented healer and herbalist, much loved by all her peers and students. I was fortunate enough to spend a little time with her in the early 90's and although she was not a " scholar physician " with a medical degree, she was a VERY experienced herbalist. The book was written for lay people to allow them to take care of their pet at who. I have used the book on several occasions with good success, but I must admit that I only used it as a guide and usually added other herbs to the treat animals when the time came (mostly dogs). Elecampane (Inula helenium, tu mu xiang, & #22303; & #26408; & #39321;) is an aromatic and somewhat supplementing medicinal. This is a very commonly used Western herb, but is also found in the Chinese materia medica, first appearing in 1116 in the Ben Cao Yan Yi ( & #26412; & #33609; & #34893; & #20041;). It is native from Europe to western Asia (to the Himalayas). I liken it to a combination of cang zhu ( & #33485; & #26415; & #65289;and bai zhu ( & #30333; & #26415;). According to the Zhong Yao Da Ci Dian ( & #20013; & #33647; & #22823; & #35789; & #20856;) it is acrid, bitter, and warm. It harmonizes the spleen and stomach, moves qi and stops pain, and expels worms/parasites. For more information about how to use this herb in clinical practice you can look in my book, Western Herbs According to Traditional : A Practitioners Guide. In Good Health, Thomas , Steve Edwards <sedwards59758 wrote: > > Jason, > > There is a book called " The complete Herbal Handbook for the Dog and Cat " by Juliette de Bairacli Levy. Not sure if it's still in print, but here are her suggestions: > > Asthma > Make strong brew of elecampane(not sure what this is), and give a tbsp BID, sweetened with honey. It also mentions using xin yi hua for asthma. > > Stones > Blames chlorinated water for the problem, and recommends an infusion of the root of couch grass by simmering for 15 minutes, using two ounces of the root. She also recommends young birch leaves, infused. Also add finely shredded parsley and carrot to their feed, along with the addition of honey. > > Lots of book stores will do a book search for the book if it is out of print, or you may find it on the internet. > > Steve Edwards, L.Ac. > > > > > ________________________________ > > > Tue, October 27, 2009 6:06:57 PM > herbs for cat > > > This may be slightly off topic, however I will give it a shot. I am wanting > to prescribe a Chinese herbal formula for my cat who is suffering from some > asthma condition (and some urinary stones -- too alkaline). I was wondering > if anyone can point me in the right direction (Internet source/book/ personal > experience etc.) to some key points in giving herbs to a cat. For example, > contraindicated herbs, typical herbal strategies etc. > > Thanks in advance, > > -Jason > > Acupuncture > > > > www.ChineseMedicine doc.com > > > > > > Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted October 28, 2009 Report Share Posted October 28, 2009 Hi Jason, The book I would recommend is Manual of Natural Veterinary Medicine: Science and Tradition by Susan Wynn and Steve Marsden. Dr Marsden uses a lot of chinese herbals so this book does discuss them along with western herbals and homeopathy and nutrition. Sara ________________________________ Tue, October 27, 2009 4:06:57 PM herbs for cat This may be slightly off topic, however I will give it a shot. I am wanting to prescribe a Chinese herbal formula for my cat who is suffering from some asthma condition (and some urinary stones -- too alkaline). I was wondering if anyone can point me in the right direction (Internet source/book/ personal experience etc.) to some key points in giving herbs to a cat. For example, contraindicated herbs, typical herbal strategies etc. Thanks in advance, -Jason Acupuncture www.ChineseMedicine doc.com Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted October 29, 2009 Report Share Posted October 29, 2009 Thanks everyone for the cat advice. The funny thing is that the vet had a " Chinese " herbalist that would prescribe for my cat. However the price was about twice my rates and they used a handful of patents.. (only in Boulder). -Jason On Behalf Of Sara Wednesday, October 28, 2009 9:42 PM Re: herbs for cat Hi Jason, The book I would recommend is Manual of Natural Veterinary Medicine: Science and Tradition by Susan Wynn and Steve Marsden. Dr Marsden uses a lot of chinese herbals so this book does discuss them along with western herbals and homeopathy and nutrition. Sara Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted October 29, 2009 Report Share Posted October 29, 2009 Yeah, but do your treatments include a scratch behind the ears? ;-) Doug , " " wrote: > > Thanks everyone for the cat advice. The funny thing is that the vet had a > " Chinese " herbalist that would prescribe for my cat. However the price was > about twice my rates and they used a handful of patents.. (only in Boulder). > > > > -Jason > > Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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