Guest guest Posted October 29, 2009 Report Share Posted October 29, 2009 I'm currently investigating DAOM programs and would love to hear from any DAOM grads, current fellows, or anyone who has researched these programs on their own. PCOM is at the top of the list, primarily for its emphasis on the classics, as well as its Family Medicine specialization. Though, OCOM looks pretty good, to. I'm looking into these programs, primarily, to increase my knowledge and clinical skills, but I'm also excited to learn and interact more with Western medical practitioners and up my knowledge on research and AOM. I do have high hopes about 'advanced' training (especially with focus on and integration of the classics into clinical practice), so if anyone can support those hopes or trash 'em, based their personal experiences or research, please let me know. Thanks! Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted October 30, 2009 Report Share Posted October 30, 2009 Hi John, I am now in my 4th quarter of the Samra DAOM (It's a two year program). Even though, because it is a new program, there are still some problems that need to be worked out, nonetheless, I am finding it enriching. I graduated at one of the other local Los Angeles schools back in 2004, and since then the focus of my practice has been internal medicine. The Samra DAOM's focus, clinical pain management, I find has been a wonderful complement to what I do in my practice. I believe that the root of disease is inbalance, and a major part of the equation that I really had not previously addressed in depth was bio-mechanics. A body with one leg or arm longer, rotated hips, or imbalances in the jaw, for example, will have a greater predisposition and vulnerability to disease. At Samra we are learning how to balance body mechanics (with acupuncture, not chiropractic!) along with a balanced DAOM didactic program. I am attaching for those interested a flyer about an a two part, 8 ceu class taught by our principal instructor, Dr. Jong Hwa Lee, explaining his unique method of resolving musculo-skeletal problems, Vertex synchronizing Technique. Sincerely, ________________________________ John <John Thu, October 29, 2009 5:20:07 PM DAOM I'm currently investigating DAOM programs and would love to hear from any DAOM grads, current fellows, or anyone who has researched these programs on their own. PCOM is at the top of the list, primarily for its emphasis on the classics, as well as its Family Medicine specialization. Though, OCOM looks pretty good, to. I'm looking into these programs, primarily, to increase my knowledge and clinical skills, but I'm also excited to learn and interact more with Western medical practitioners and up my knowledge on research and AOM. I do have high hopes about 'advanced' training (especially with focus on and integration of the classics into clinical practice), so if anyone can support those hopes or trash 'em, based their personal experiences or research, please let me know. Thanks! Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted October 30, 2009 Report Share Posted October 30, 2009 Hi John, I'm a fellow at OCOM. Just started the program in September and I have no regrets or complaints about anything, neither about the school nor the program. OCOM graduated the first doctoral class in 2005 and by this time they have it all figured out. The focus of the program is integrative medicine and research. The interesting thing about the type of research at OCOM is that Chinese medicine and Western medicine are treated as equal, which means that the research is not focused on " Does Acupuncture work or not " but focuses instead on diseases treated by Chinese and Western medicine to see the difference between the 2. Both have effects, and the research focuses on what that is. We have 5 permanent teachers, a Dean of the doctorate program, a head of the research department (there's actually a research department) and for every module we have 1 or more national or world renown guest lecturers. If the lecturers speak little or no English, they have translators. The school has a rich library with an actual system, a librarian who knows her stuff (and loves to help) there's a library website, library databases (very rich, they're d to lots of publications that we have access to do our research) The program is rigurous and by the time we finish it we'll be able to publish; the research teachers are PhDs and very critical (as per senior students, they pick apart your work (that you thought was brilliant) and make you cry , but as a result you become a hell of a writer and a research buff. For every module there're lots of reading assignments and homework w/due dates BEFORE the next module that you have to upload online (if you don't do your homework, you'll get kicked out of the program) your work gets graded and at the end of the first year there's a comprehensive exam (take home exam due by the next module- I gather this is akin to a huge homework) and at the end of the second year your capstone is due. You can have one or more counselors for your capstone; they're experts in research and helpful. Every module has a theme, and for each one there's lecture, clinic theater with the guest lecturer (to show us his/her stuff) then clinic. This is the list of books for year 1 (as the case may be, my year 1): -The treatment of Modern Western Diseases w/ -Current Geriatrics diagnoses and treatment. -Current medical diagnoses and treatment -How to read a paper -Aging and blood stasis -Drug handbook -Designing clinical research -Acupuncture research -Yellow Emperor's Canon of Internal Medicine -Doing honest work in college (this is a gift from the school) There are reading assignments from these books for each module. For year 2 there's another list of books, but obviously I don't know those yet. In module one the theme was Scalp Acupuncture. It was Zhu's scalp acupuncture and the very Dr. Zhu came to lecture. But to prepare the neurological ground in our minds, the previous lecturer was an MD neurology specialist, and so on. These year we're doing geriatrics, next year it's going to be women's issues, which means that for the students beginning next year, their first year will be women's issues, and so on. The doctoral program from OCOM is accredited in all 50 states in the United States. Which means that financial aid is available for the doctoral program, and also means that after you graduate, you can teach at any university in the land, or community college since the degree is accepted, meaning recognized; or work as a doctor at any hospital or institution that integrates Chinese medicine into their model. It moreover means that you'll be elegible for government student loan forgiveness (up to a certain amount)provided you accept their terms (government's) The school strives for your success and does all it can to accomodate your learning needs. If you need help, there's someone you can talk to that will help you with the next step. If you want more information let me know. Kind regards, Gloria ________________________________ John <John Thu, October 29, 2009 5:20:07 PM DAOM I'm currently investigating DAOM programs and would love to hear from any DAOM grads, current fellows, or anyone who has researched these programs on their own. PCOM is at the top of the list, primarily for its emphasis on the classics, as well as its Family Medicine specialization. Though, OCOM looks pretty good, to. I'm looking into these programs, primarily, to increase my knowledge and clinical skills, but I'm also excited to learn and interact more with Western medical practitioners and up my knowledge on research and AOM. I do have high hopes about 'advanced' training (especially with focus on and integration of the classics into clinical practice), so if anyone can support those hopes or trash 'em, based their personal experiences or research, please let me know. Thanks! Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted October 30, 2009 Report Share Posted October 30, 2009 Hi Gloria, Wow - Outstanding response! Thank you! I've always had a lot of respect for OCOM; it seems that respect is well deserved. You addressed many of questions and concerns. The only other thing I'm curious about is the inclusion of the classics. From your experience, thus far, how much study of the classics is there? Do they ground diagnosis and treatment in the classics, at least as one 'angle' on the diagnosis and treatment? I would be completely sold on OCOM, if it weren't for my strong desire for a focus on the classics. Again, thank you so much for the detailed response. @ > > > > Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted October 30, 2009 Report Share Posted October 30, 2009 Hi Yehuda, Thanks for this info. I hadn't looked at Samra, yet. I'll add it to the list and go check it out. , wrote: > > Hi John, > > I am now in my 4th quarter of the Samra DAOM (It's a two year program). Even though, because it is a new program, there are still some problems that need to be worked out, nonetheless, I am finding it enriching. I graduated at one of the other local Los Angeles schools back in 2004, and since then the focus of my practice has been internal medicine. The Samra DAOM's focus, clinical pain management, I find has been a wonderful complement to what I do in my practice. I believe that the root of disease is inbalance, and a major part of the equation that I really had not previously addressed in depth was bio-mechanics. A body with one leg or arm longer, rotated hips, or imbalances in the jaw, for example, will have a greater predisposition and vulnerability to disease. At Samra we are learning how to balance body mechanics (with acupuncture, not chiropractic!) along with a balanced DAOM didactic program. > > I am attaching for those interested a flyer about an a two part, 8 ceu class taught by our principal instructor, Dr. Jong Hwa Lee, explaining his unique method of resolving musculo-skeletal problems, Vertex synchronizing Technique. > > Sincerely, > > > > > > > > > > > > > ________________________________ > John <John > > Thu, October 29, 2009 5:20:07 PM > DAOM > > > I'm currently investigating DAOM programs and would love to hear from any DAOM grads, current fellows, or anyone who has researched these programs on their own. > > PCOM is at the top of the list, primarily for its emphasis on the classics, as well as its Family Medicine specialization. Though, OCOM looks pretty good, to. > > I'm looking into these programs, primarily, to increase my knowledge and clinical skills, but I'm also excited to learn and interact more with Western medical practitioners and up my knowledge on research and AOM. > > I do have high hopes about 'advanced' training (especially with focus on and integration of the classics into clinical practice), so if anyone can support those hopes or trash 'em, based their personal experiences or research, please let me know. Thanks! > Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted October 30, 2009 Report Share Posted October 30, 2009 hi john, have you looked at the Five Branches DAOM? I highly recommend checking that one out as well, although there is very little on the classics... so it'd not be a good fit if that's your focus. But do have a look, there are many excellent strengths to that program. But please feel free to email me off-line if you'd like to discuss in detail the pros and cons of that program. (i just finished my program this month! Had an extremely positive experience that has improved my practice leaps and bounds.). ~edith in san francisco Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted October 30, 2009 Report Share Posted October 30, 2009 Who teaches the Yellow Emperor/Nei Jing class? What's the focus of the class? What text do you use? On Oct 30, 2009, at 7:34 AM, The Traveler wrote: > Hi John, > > I'm a fellow at OCOM. Just started the program in September and > I have no regrets or complaints about anything, neither about the > school nor the program. OCOM graduated the first doctoral class in > 2005 and by this time they have it all figured out. The focus of the > program is integrative medicine and research. > > Chair, Department of Herbal Medicine Pacific College of Oriental Medicine San Diego, Ca. 92122 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted October 30, 2009 Report Share Posted October 30, 2009 Dr. Zhaoxue Lu, M.D., PhD., L.Ac., the text is Yellow Emperor's Canon of Internal Medicine, Nelson Liansheng Wu, Andrew Qi Wu, China Science and Technology Press. (1977) As to what the focus of the class is; the 2 year program focuses one year on Geriatrics and the second on Women's issues, and as far as the Yellow Emperor is concerned, so far we read 9 Chapters out of the Ling Shu and One from Su Wen, but perhaps I'm not clear on the question What's the focus of the class? Kind regards, Gloria ________________________________ <zrosenbe Fri, October 30, 2009 12:36:57 PM Re: DAOM Who teaches the Yellow Emperor/Nei Jing class? What's the focus of the class? What text do you use? On Oct 30, 2009, at 7:34 AM, The Traveler wrote: > Hi John, > > I'm a fellow at OCOM. Just started the program in September and > I have no regrets or complaints about anything, neither about the > school nor the program. OCOM graduated the first doctoral class in > 2005 and by this time they have it all figured out. The focus of the > program is integrative medicine and research. > > Chair, Department of Herbal Medicine Pacific College of Oriental Medicine San Diego, Ca. 92122 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted October 30, 2009 Report Share Posted October 30, 2009 Well, lets see...The school is TCM and the teacher for the classic portion of lectures is a Chinese import Dr. Zhaoxue Lu, M.D. PhD., L.Ac. (speaks English well) The head of the clinic is also a Chinese import, Dr. Tsueyhua Lai, and she does all kinds of acupuncture. Let me, as an example, say this to sort of address your question: the theme of the November module will be blood-letting; and among other lectures, there will be a lecture on Western medicine, and a 4 hour lecture on Huang Di Nei Jing. The reading assignments are a few chapters from the Ling Shu and a a couple from the Su Wen. Please note the list of texts for this first year. We have reading assignments for each module from all the pertinent texts for the theme of that module. -The treatment of Modern Western Diseases w/ (TCM) -Current Geriatrics diagnosis and treatment. (Western) -Current medical diagnosis and treatment (Western) -How to read a paper (Western / TCM) -Aging and blood stasis (TCM) -Drug handbook (Western) -Designing clinical research (TCM / Western) -Acupuncture research (TCM) -Yellow Emperor's Canon of Internal Medicine (TCM) -Doing honest work in college (this is a gift from the school) (Western) Like for instance, in addition to the Huang Di Nei Jing reading assignments above, we also have reading assignments from these texts: The treatment of Modern Western Diseases w/, Current Geriatrics diagnosis and treatment, Aging and blood stasis, and Current medical diagnosis and treatment. There are plenty of lectures on the Yellow Emperor, and you have to read it and write about it, etc., etc., but the doctoral program at OCOM is not focused exclusively on the Yellow Emperor. As explained in the previous e-mail and here above, the OCOM model is AOM and Western integrated, plus research, very well rounded. If your passion is The Yellow Emperor and you're not big on a whole lot of reading and writing from the texts above, and a great deal of your own creativity, you might just wanna give this program a pass and shop for something else. but if you have more questions, please ask me. Kind regards, Gloria ________________________________ John <John Fri, October 30, 2009 11:02:39 AM Re: DAOM Hi Gloria, Wow - Outstanding response! Thank you! I've always had a lot of respect for OCOM; it seems that respect is well deserved. You addressed many of questions and concerns. The only other thing I'm curious about is the inclusion of the classics. From your experience, thus far, how much study of the classics is there? Do they ground diagnosis and treatment in the classics, at least as one 'angle' on the diagnosis and treatment? I would be completely sold on OCOM, if it weren't for my strong desire for a focus on the classics. Again, thank you so much for the detailed response. @ > > > > Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted October 31, 2009 Report Share Posted October 31, 2009 Excellent. Excellent food for thought. Those are exactly the details I'm looking for. Do you know if you'll be repeating that basic pattern for any other classics, Nan Jing, Shang Han Lun, or the Jin Gui Yao Lue, maybe? Thanks for your time spent addressing these questions. If I go to OCOM, you should get a commission! , The Traveler <dumai20baihui wrote: > > Well, lets see...The school is TCM and the teacher for the classic portion of lectures is a Chinese import Dr. Zhaoxue Lu, M.D. PhD., L.Ac. (speaks English well) The head of the clinic is also a Chinese import, Dr. Tsueyhua Lai, and she does all kinds of acupuncture. > > Let me, as an example, say this to sort of address your question: the theme of the November module will be blood-letting; and among other lectures, there will be a lecture on Western medicine, and a 4 hour lecture on Huang Di Nei Jing. The reading assignments are a few chapters from the Ling Shu and a a couple from the Su Wen. > > Please note the list Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted October 31, 2009 Report Share Posted October 31, 2009 Of the several DAOM programs I've taught in as visiting lecturer, OCOM's seemed to be the most together on all levels. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted October 31, 2009 Report Share Posted October 31, 2009 mmm...Yellow Emperor's Canon of Internal Medicine contains 2 books: Suwen and Ling Shu; and that's the text we're using this year. The 4 hour lecture on the module coming up is not all we're gonna cover in the year. As I explained in previous e-mails, each module has a theme and whatever's germaine from the classics to that theme is what is covered at that time. In my second year -Sept. 2010- the Shang Han Lun will be one of the required texts, among all the other required texts -a list similar to the one I mentioned for my first year. As a student of OCOM, my opinion is that they assume you've covered the Nan Jing in the TCM master's program for basic acupuncture; and as far as the JinGuiYaoLue, I don't think it'll be a required text on the list for next year because the Shang Han Lun is. Another thing the school assumes, again my opinion, is that you're a professional already and this program is to elevate you to the next level. You're supposed to have it all figured out already, and the information you get from the program is gravy. Like for instance reading the Ling Shu. The Ling Shu is the numinuos side of acupuncture so that you can make your practice akin to poetry -this is more for your development as a practitioner than for mere necessity; and the Suwen, however useful in clinic, is not really essential for your practice. If you master the formulas in the Shang Han Lun, you're pretty much all set -I'd say. The JinGuiYaoLue you can cover on your own (or find something written by Bob [Flaws] ;-) Besides the only GuiYaoLue version from 2005 that have Latin and no Pinyin for the herbs, there's a new version now from 2007-which I haven't checked out yet.) Look it, this is a a 2-year clinical doctoral program that focuses on integrative medicine AOM/Western, plus research (and research is the beauty of it, for what it actually teaches you) The atmosphere is completely different from the master program. At this level you supposedly " already know everything " and what they give you is enrichment or expansion to what you already know. Some of my classmates have like 20 to 30 years experience in clinical practice and some are master's program teachers teaching like, forever. When it comes to that commission (if you apply and are accepted) I don't think it'll be necessary because they're giving me the tools to write my own grants and they're teaching me how to go about it. Look it John, if you set up shop and practice acupuncture and herbs; every patient you see is going to teach you something new. The idea that studying the classics is going to make you a better practitioner is a very romantic one which is not par with what you see in clinic. Those little nuggets you get in practice by observing the response of the patients are the real treasures. After years in practice I'm sure you'd probably know a thing or two that you could tell the emperor himself. ;-) Get a load of this: A guy goes to the doctors because of a crowling feeling on his body, so the doctor sees him and inspects him n'all, and asks the patient: Have you ever seen a psychiatrist? and the guy says... well...maybe...it's not like they're walking around with a sign or anything. Ha...ha...ha...ha...ha...:-D :-D Good luck John. Kind regards, Gloria ________________________________ John <John Sat, October 31, 2009 11:24:16 AM Re: DAOM Excellent. Excellent food for thought. Those are exactly the details I'm looking for. Do you know if you'll be repeating that basic pattern for any other classics, Nan Jing, Shang Han Lun, or the Jin Gui Yao Lue, maybe? Thanks for your time spent addressing these questions. If I go to OCOM, you should get a commission! , The Traveler <dumai20baihui@ ...> wrote: > > Well, lets see...The school is TCM and the teacher for the classic portion of lectures is a Chinese import Dr. Zhaoxue Lu, M.D. PhD., L.Ac. (speaks English well) The head of the clinic is also a Chinese import, Dr. Tsueyhua Lai, and she does all kinds of acupuncture. > > Let me, as an example, say this to sort of address your question: the theme of the November module will be blood-letting; and among other lectures, there will be a lecture on Western medicine, and a 4 hour lecture on Huang Di Nei Jing. The reading assignments are a few chapters from the Ling Shu and a a couple from the Su Wen. > > Please note the list Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted October 31, 2009 Report Share Posted October 31, 2009 I am trying to figure out in the various doctorate programs how much real attention is given to the classical texts. On Oct 30, 2009, at 3:10 PM, The Traveler wrote: > Dr. Zhaoxue Lu, M.D., PhD., L.Ac., the text is Yellow Emperor's > Canon of Internal Medicine, Nelson Liansheng Wu, Andrew Qi Wu, China > Science and Technology Press. (1977) > > As to what the focus of the class is; the 2 year program focuses one > year on Geriatrics and the second on Women's issues, and as far as > the Yellow Emperor is concerned, so far we read 9 Chapters out of > the Ling Shu and One from Su Wen, but perhaps I'm not clear on the > question What's the focus of the class? > > Kind regards, > Gloria > > ________________________________ > <zrosenbe > > Fri, October 30, 2009 12:36:57 PM > Re: DAOM > > > Who teaches the Yellow Emperor/Nei Jing class? What's the focus of > the class? What text do you use? > > > On Oct 30, 2009, at 7:34 AM, The Traveler wrote: > > > Hi John, > > > > I'm a fellow at OCOM. Just started the program in September and > > I have no regrets or complaints about anything, neither about the > > school nor the program. OCOM graduated the first doctoral class in > > 2005 and by this time they have it all figured out. The focus of the > > program is integrative medicine and research. > > > > > > > Chair, Department of Herbal Medicine > Pacific College of Oriental Medicine > San Diego, Ca. 92122 > > Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted October 31, 2009 Report Share Posted October 31, 2009 The PCOM doctorate has classes in Nan Jing, Nei Jing, and Shang Han Lun. . On Oct 30, 2009, at 11:02 AM, John wrote: > Hi Gloria, > > Wow - Outstanding response! Thank you! > > I've always had a lot of respect for OCOM; it seems that respect is > well deserved. > > You addressed many of questions and concerns. The only other thing > I'm curious about is the inclusion of the classics. From your > experience, thus far, how much study of the classics is there? Do > they ground diagnosis and treatment in the classics, at least as one > 'angle' on the diagnosis and treatment? > > I would be completely sold on OCOM, if it weren't for my strong > desire for a focus on the classics. > > Again, thank you so much for the detailed response. > > @ > > > > > > > > Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted October 31, 2009 Report Share Posted October 31, 2009 Bastyr's had Nei Jing, SHL, Jin Gui Yao Lue, and Wen Bing classes. One term of each. It felt very brief but then you can choose to follow those teachers in the clinic and more contextualized discussions are possible. Brendan Sent on the Sprint® Now Network from my BlackBerry® <zrosenbe Sun, 1 Nov 2009 01:53:04 Re: DAOM The PCOM doctorate has classes in Nan Jing, Nei Jing, and Shang Han Lun. . On Oct 30, 2009, at 11:02 AM, John wrote: > Hi Gloria, > > Wow - Outstanding response! Thank you! > > I've always had a lot of respect for OCOM; it seems that respect is > well deserved. > > You addressed many of questions and concerns. The only other thing > I'm curious about is the inclusion of the classics. From your > experience, thus far, how much study of the classics is there? Do > they ground diagnosis and treatment in the classics, at least as one > 'angle' on the diagnosis and treatment? > > I would be completely sold on OCOM, if it weren't for my strong > desire for a focus on the classics. > > Again, thank you so much for the detailed response. > > @ > > > > > > > > Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted November 1, 2009 Report Share Posted November 1, 2009 Z'ev, Who is teaching those? -Jason On Behalf Of Saturday, October 31, 2009 7:53 PM Re: DAOM The PCOM doctorate has classes in Nan Jing, Nei Jing, and Shang Han Lun. . Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted November 1, 2009 Report Share Posted November 1, 2009 The PCOM doctoral program has courses in the Nei Jing, Nan Jing, Shang Han Lun, Wen Bing and Jin Gui Yao Lue. For this current cohort, Dr. Barry Xin has taught the Nei Jin, Nan Jing and SHL. Giovanni Maciocia will teach the Wen Bing. Lori --- On Sun, 11/1/09, wrote: RE: DAOM Sunday, November 1, 2009, 9:35 AM Z'ev, Who is teaching those? -Jason [] On Behalf Of Saturday, October 31, 2009 7:53 PM Re: DAOM The PCOM doctorate has classes in Nan Jing, Nei Jing, and Shang Han Lun. . Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted November 1, 2009 Report Share Posted November 1, 2009 Barry Xin and Tan Tan Huang Z On Nov 1, 2009, at 7:35 AM, wrote: > Z'ev, > > Who is teaching those? > > -Jason > > > On Behalf Of Z'ev > Rosenberg > Saturday, October 31, 2009 7:53 PM > > Re: DAOM > > The PCOM doctorate has classes in Nan Jing, Nei Jing, and Shang Han > Lun. . > > > > Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted November 1, 2009 Report Share Posted November 1, 2009 Hi Jason, I am not sure if the instructors have changed but, when I took the DAOM classes in question the instructors were as follows: Nei Jing (Su wen & Ling shu) taught by Dr. Tantan Huang (from Chendu) Shang Han Lun taught by Dr. Ming Fan (from Nanjing) Jin Gui Lao Yue taught by Dr. Ming Fan (from Nanjing) Nan Jing taught by Dr. Ming Fan (from Nanjing) Wen Bing taught by Dr. Tantan Huang (from Chendu) I hope this helps, Steve Sterling, LAc --- On Sun, 11/1/09, wrote: RE: DAOM Sunday, November 1, 2009, 7:35 AM Z'ev, Who is teaching those? -Jason [] On Behalf Of Saturday, October 31, 2009 7:53 PM Re: DAOM The PCOM doctorate has classes in Nan Jing, Nei Jing, and Shang Han Lun. . Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted November 2, 2009 Report Share Posted November 2, 2009 Hi Steve and others who have taken these classes, do you feel that the 1.5 credit units (3 days of teaching) for each classic is enough to feel confident in using the principles in each text clinically? I know that teachers such as Huang Huang and Arnaud Versluys devote months/years of teaching for the Shang han lun alone. Which translations were used for the Nei-jing and Nan-jing classes? Thanks, K Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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