Guest guest Posted November 4, 2009 Report Share Posted November 4, 2009 I know TCM has a solid theoretical basis for treating Parkinson's but it has been my experience that if the condition is longer than about a year it can at best only be slowed not stopped. Do any of you have different experience from this? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted November 5, 2009 Report Share Posted November 5, 2009 Hi Michael, Are you saying that if the condition is less than about a year, it can be stopped? , " Michael Tierra " <mtierra wrote: > > I know TCM has a solid theoretical basis for treating Parkinson's but it has > been my experience that if the condition is longer than about a year it can > at best only be slowed not stopped. Do any of you have different experience > from this? > > > > Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted November 5, 2009 Report Share Posted November 5, 2009 Sorry for any misunderstanding I have not been able to stop Parkinson's in any patient but best results are if one undergoes treatment from within the first year. This seems almost impossible to determine but it is based on something I once read somewhere in relation to undergoing acupuncture. .. On Behalf Of fbernall Hi Michael, Are you saying that if the condition is less than about a year, it can be stopped? <%40> , " Michael Tierra " <mtierra wrote: > > I know TCM has a solid theoretical basis for treating Parkinson's but it has > been my experience that if the condition is longer than about a year it can > at best only be slowed not stopped. Do any of you have different experience > from this? > Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted November 6, 2009 Report Share Posted November 6, 2009 My experience is that many modalities including Chinese medicine, acupuncture, tuina, diet therapy,qigong and craniosacral therapy and nutraceuticals can be very helpful in slowing down the progress of PD, but ONLY with patients that have not used Sinemet, or dopamine agonists. Once they start using these drugs, not much can be done to stop the chronic degeneration. You might also check out the work by Janice Walton-Hadlock , DAOM, and the Parkinson's recovery project of S, Cruz. (Their findings confirm, BTW, that meds seriously interfere with the potential for healing.) Here's their site: http://www.pdrecovery.org/ ________________________________ fbernall <fbernall Thu, November 5, 2009 5:20:47 PM Re: Parkinson's Hi Michael, Are you saying that if the condition is less than about a year, it can be stopped? , " Michael Tierra " <mtierra > wrote: > > I know TCM has a solid theoretical basis for treating Parkinson's but it has > been my experience that if the condition is longer than about a year it can > at best only be slowed not stopped. Do any of you have different experience > from this? > > > > Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted November 6, 2009 Report Share Posted November 6, 2009 Hi Michael, What is the criteria for your " first year " ? It can't be from diagnoses, really, as different patients would be diagnosed at different stages or progression of the disease. So is there a baseline level of presentation that you consider " first year " ? Thank you, Paul , " Michael Tierra " <mtierra wrote: > > Sorry for any misunderstanding I have not been able to stop Parkinson's in > any patient but best results are if one undergoes treatment from within the > first year. This seems almost impossible to determine but it is based on > something I once read somewhere in relation to undergoing acupuncture. > > . > On Behalf Of fbernall > > Hi Michael, > > Are you saying that if the condition is less than about a year, it can be > stopped? > > > <%40> , " Michael Tierra " > <mtierra@> wrote: > > > > I know TCM has a solid theoretical basis for treating Parkinson's but it > has > > been my experience that if the condition is longer than about a year it > can > > at best only be slowed not stopped. Do any of you have different > experience > > from this? > > Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted November 6, 2009 Report Share Posted November 6, 2009 Michael, You ought to talk to Janice Walton-Hadlock about the Yin Tui Na protocol she developed - she is in Santa Cruz too. It isn't without its controversies but they are trying to systematically study the protocol and have been very focused on it for over a decade. http://www.pdtreatment.com/jj/bios.html Ben pdgamache Sat, 7 Nov 2009 00:17:44 +0000 Re: Parkinson's Hi Michael, What is the criteria for your " first year " ? It can't be from diagnoses, really, as different patients would be diagnosed at different stages or progression of the disease. So is there a baseline level of presentation that you consider " first year " ? Thank you, Paul , " Michael Tierra " <mtierra wrote: > > Sorry for any misunderstanding I have not been able to stop Parkinson's in > any patient but best results are if one undergoes treatment from within the > first year. This seems almost impossible to determine but it is based on > something I once read somewhere in relation to undergoing acupuncture. > > . > On Behalf Of fbernall > > Hi Michael, > > Are you saying that if the condition is less than about a year, it can be > stopped? > > > <%40> , " Michael Tierra " > <mtierra@> wrote: > > > > I know TCM has a solid theoretical basis for treating Parkinson's but it > has > > been my experience that if the condition is longer than about a year it > can > > at best only be slowed not stopped. Do any of you have different > experience > > from this? > > Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted November 7, 2009 Report Share Posted November 7, 2009 Michael, Isn't that also the findings on stroke treatment? Less than a year, can see results. What is it about the nerves after a year? Is the degeneration too far gone? Like a branch on a tree that can't rejuvenate once it completely dries up? K On Fri, Nov 6, 2009 at 7:18 PM, ben zappin <btz23 wrote: > > > > Michael, > > You ought to talk to Janice Walton-Hadlock about the Yin Tui Na protocol > she developed - she is in Santa Cruz too. It isn't without its controversies > but they are trying to systematically study the protocol and have been very > focused on it for over a decade. > > http://www.pdtreatment.com/jj/bios.html > > Ben www.tcmreview.com Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted November 7, 2009 Report Share Posted November 7, 2009 I don't think there will be any complete relief or cure. A solid program will include detoxing the system, change of diet, added nutrition, exercise, balance of dopamine/norepinepherine/seratonin, herbs to regulate the Liver kidney Yin, herbs to control Liver Wind, proper rest, proper emotions, minimizing stress will help give manageble quality of life. Best regards, On Wed, Nov 4, 2009 at 7:45 AM, Michael Tierra <mtierrawrote: > I know TCM has a solid theoretical basis for treating Parkinson's but it > has > been my experience that if the condition is longer than about a year it can > at best only be slowed not stopped. Do any of you have different experience > from this? > > > > Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted November 22, 2009 Report Share Posted November 22, 2009 Has anyone stopped early Parkinson's? I've had reductions in tremors from a sinew release (seems to reduce the amplification of tremors, not the root) and regular scalp acupuncture and dai meridian treatments seem to keep symptoms from progressing. Haven't seen any reduction with higher dose granule formulas, but a little with cooked herbs that fit the pattern (Liver wind engendered by phlegm heat and Liver blood deficiency.) Karen Vaughan Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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