Guest guest Posted January 20, 2010 Report Share Posted January 20, 2010 I have a client who reported that Er Zhu Tang reacted as a stimulant and swore that it contained caffeine. I am using granules purchased from Evergreen so I was certain that there was no caffeine. I have had clients in the past get a little stimulant like action from bai zhu. Ban xia has the ephedrine alkaloid in it. I am perplexed by this one. Anybody have a similar experience? Here is the ingredient list bai zhu fu ling chen pi tian nan xing xiang fu huang qin wei ling xian qiang huo ban xia cang zhu sheng jiang gan cao ~Mark Evans Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted January 20, 2010 Report Share Posted January 20, 2010 I often tell patients, especially the first time they take a formula, not to take it at night because no matter what the intent, it can " awaken the qi " (sorry for the lay terminology). Although I discount the ephedrine effect of ban xia I wonder what might be triggered bio medically that gives the " little stimulant like action from bai zhu " . Specifically with this formula, by cutting through the phlegm and damp it might give this over all effect of stimulation as a by product of removing obstruction. Doug , " Mark " <mark wrote: > > I have a client who reported that Er Zhu Tang reacted as a stimulant and swore that it contained caffeine. I am using granules purchased from Evergreen so I was certain that there was no caffeine. > > I have had clients in the past get a little stimulant like action from bai zhu. Ban xia has the ephedrine alkaloid in it. > > I am perplexed by this one. Anybody have a similar experience? > > Here is the ingredient list > bai zhu > fu ling > chen pi > tian nan xing > xiang fu > huang qin > wei ling xian > qiang huo > ban xia > cang zhu > sheng jiang > gan cao > > ~Mark Evans > Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted January 20, 2010 Report Share Posted January 20, 2010 That is a Waike style formula. Dampness impedes the smooth flow of wei qi. If your patient felt this formula as a stimulant, I'd say it was accurately addressing dampness, and substantially freeing up the flow of wei qi, which may also increase the expression of heat. If it's causing problems, add an herb or two to drain fluids downward. You could start by increasing fuling, though if he/she feels it that strongly, something a bit more draining may be needed. You'll also need to consider how much heat to drain, from which channels primarily, and whether this individual's key issue is heat in response to damp or damp in response to heat. Steve CCMforHealing.com On Wed, Jan 20, 2010 at 9:49 AM, Mark <mark wrote: > > > I have a client who reported that Er Zhu Tang reacted as a stimulant and > swore that it contained caffeine. I am using granules purchased from > Evergreen so I was certain that there was no caffeine. > > I have had clients in the past get a little stimulant like action from bai > zhu. Ban xia has the ephedrine alkaloid in it. > > I am perplexed by this one. Anybody have a similar experience? > > Here is the ingredient list > bai zhu > fu ling > chen pi > tian nan xing > xiang fu > huang qin > wei ling xian > qiang huo > ban xia > cang zhu > sheng jiang > gan cao > > ~Mark Evans > > > Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted January 21, 2010 Report Share Posted January 21, 2010 Thanks for the replies. It makes sense what you both said. I will tweak the formula next time she comes in. Hopefully she hasn't lost faith in my herbal abilities. It doesn't take much sometimes. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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