ovarian cyst

[Guest guest]

I'm wondering if anyone has seen Chinese herbs resolve or at least improve a

large ovarian cyst. I seem to recall one of my instructors telling us that if a

cyst is over 8 cm, it is too late for herbs. Does anyone have any experience

they can share? The patient I am working with has a complex cyst of the right

adnexa that measures 8.1 cm x 11.9 cm x 8.5 cm (by US on 11/10/09).

 

Thank you,

 

Julie C. Espy, L.Ac.

[Guest guest]

Are we talking fibroid or cyst?

 

I did have a woman come in with a " fibroid " about 3 by 5cm that went away within

a week with acupuncture and a formula. We figured that it must have been a cyst

that burst painlessly or we got lucky and it dissolved. It was a pretty standard

lower jiao blood moving formula if I remember.

 

I think I posted that case on CHA and Ray replied. It was about 6 months ago.

 

If its a fibroid then its too big in most cases.

 

, " j_c_sp23 " <julie wrote:

>

> I'm wondering if anyone has seen Chinese herbs resolve or at least improve a

large ovarian cyst. I seem to recall one of my instructors telling us that if a

cyst is over 8 cm, it is too late for herbs. Does anyone have any experience

they can share? The patient I am working with has a complex cyst of the right

adnexa that measures 8.1 cm x 11.9 cm x 8.5 cm (by US on 11/10/09).

>

> Thank you,

>

> Julie C. Espy, L.Ac.

>

[Guest guest]

Yes, I saw that post. This is definitely a complex cyst. If your patient’s

fibroid was actually a cyst, then I am glad to know herbs and acupuncture

are effective up to 3 by 5 cm. Has anyone any experience with over 8 cm

cysts?

 

 

 

Thanks,

 

Julie

 

 

 

 

 

_____

 

 

On Behalf Of

Monday, February 22, 2010 1:40 AM

 

Re: ovarian cyst

 

 

 

 

 

Are we talking fibroid or cyst?

 

I did have a woman come in with a " fibroid " about 3 by 5cm that went away

within a week with acupuncture and a formula. We figured that it must have

been a cyst that burst painlessly or we got lucky and it dissolved. It was a

pretty standard lower jiao blood moving formula if I remember.

 

I think I posted that case on CHA and Ray replied. It was about 6 months

ago.

 

If its a fibroid then its too big in most cases.

 

@ <%40>

, " j_c_sp23 " <julie wrote:

>

> I'm wondering if anyone has seen Chinese herbs resolve or at least improve

a large ovarian cyst. I seem to recall one of my instructors telling us that

if a cyst is over 8 cm, it is too late for herbs. Does anyone have any

experience they can share? The patient I am working with has a complex cyst

of the right adnexa that measures 8.1 cm x 11.9 cm x 8.5 cm (by US on

11/10/09).

>

> Thank you,

>

> Julie C. Espy, L.Ac.

>

 

 

 

 

 

 

[Guest guest]

Hi Julie -

 

As I'm sure you know, there are basically 3 types of Complex Ovarian

Cysts: 1. Dermoid Cysts (these develop from the cells that produce

human oocytes, and often have human tissue such as hair, teeth or

skin); 2. Endometriomas (aka " Chocolate Cysts " - these develop from

endometrial tissue implanting on the ovaries); 3. Cystadenomas (these

develop from ovarian tissue, and are fluid/mucous filled cysts that

can become quite large).

 

Of these three types of Complex Cysts, the Cystadenoma is the most

amenable to TCM. Endometriomas can be managed with TCM, but often do

not completely resolve without Laparoscopic intervention. Also,

because endometriosis implants on the ovarian cortex (the outer layer

of the ovary where the oocytes are) - endometriomas should really be

managed as completely as possible so as to prevent destruction of the

oocytes, and prevent diminished ovarian reserve/infertility. Dermoid

cysts have to be dealt with surgically.

 

So, the size of the cyst is not as much of an issue, so much as the

nature of the complex cyst. However, even Cystadenomas can develop

ovarian " torsion " where they twist and cut-off blood supply, so if it

is this type of complex cyst, and you decide to try to treat it, keep

a close eye on the patient's symptoms, and if her pain level increases

significantly, make sure that she consults her OBGYN asap.

 

Blue Poppy Press has numerous translated articles on their website

describing different approaches to this disorder, and if you have any

further questions, I would be happy to go over the case with you off-

group. You can email me at: rtoo

 

Good luck,

 

Ray Rubio, DAOM (FABORM)

President ABORM

Reproductive Medicine Department Chair: Yo San DAOM

www.westlakecomplementarymedicine.com

 

 

On Feb 22, 2010, at 6:28 AM, Julie @ Healing Point wrote:

 

> Yes, I saw that post. This is definitely a complex cyst. If your

> patient’s

> fibroid was actually a cyst, then I am glad to know herbs and

> acupuncture

> are effective up to 3 by 5 cm. Has anyone any experience with over 8

> cm

> cysts?

>

> Thanks,

>

> Julie

>

> _____

>

>

> On Behalf Of

> Monday, February 22, 2010 1:40 AM

>

> Re: ovarian cyst

>

> Are we talking fibroid or cyst?

>

> I did have a woman come in with a " fibroid " about 3 by 5cm that went

> away

> within a week with acupuncture and a formula. We figured that it

> must have

> been a cyst that burst painlessly or we got lucky and it dissolved.

> It was a

> pretty standard lower jiao blood moving formula if I remember.

>

> I think I posted that case on CHA and Ray replied. It was about 6

> months

> ago.

>

> If its a fibroid then its too big in most cases.

>

> @ <%40

> >

> , " j_c_sp23 " <julie wrote:

> >

> > I'm wondering if anyone has seen Chinese herbs resolve or at least

> improve

> a large ovarian cyst. I seem to recall one of my instructors telling

> us that

> if a cyst is over 8 cm, it is too late for herbs. Does anyone have any

> experience they can share? The patient I am working with has a

> complex cyst

> of the right adnexa that measures 8.1 cm x 11.9 cm x 8.5 cm (by US on

> 11/10/09).

> >

> > Thank you,

> >

> > Julie C. Espy, L.Ac.

> >

>

>