RE: spirituality and warfare- Rhubarb...

[Guest guest]

Yes I am ready for some herb talk, since this is the CHA and all¡Ä

 

 

 

I have some questions:

 

1) What is the relationship of Rhapontic Rhubarb (Rheum rhaponticum L.)

and CM¡Çs common rhubarb (Rhei Radix et Rhizoma).

 

2) Is the former in the ZYDCD?

 

3) I just want to verify that this is different than CM¡Çs

rhaponticum

(Rhapontici Radix) (ϳ°², lou lu).

 

-

 

 

 

 

On Behalf Of bill_schoenbart

Friday, March 05, 2010 1:10 PM

 

Re: spirituality and warfare

 

 

 

 

 

Interesting topic, but not really related to herbs. It might be a good idea

to end this thread before it heats up.

 

- Bill

 

 

 

 

[Guest guest]

, " " wrote:

 

>

> 1) What is the relationship of Rhapontic Rhubarb (Rheum rhaponticum L.)

> and CM¡Çs common rhubarb (Rhei Radix et Rhizoma).

 

The former doesn't seem to be listed as an official species pertaining to Da

Huang, at least not in the Zhong Yao Da Ci Dian.

 

> 2) Is the former in the ZYDCD?

 

It doesn't seem to be listed in ZYDCD.

 

> 3) I just want to verify that this is different than CM¡Çs rhaponticum

> (Rhapontici Radix) (ϳ°², lou lu).

 

After a quick search, it looks like the Lou Lu and the Rheum rhaponticum plant

are botanically unrelated, separate genera and family.

 

Eric

[Guest guest]

Rheum rhaponticum is a hybrid of the medicinal species. It might be similar, but

it is always best to stick with the standard species.

 

- Bill

 

 

 

, " smilinglotus " <smilinglotus

wrote:

>

>

>

> , " " <@> wrote:

>

> >

> > 1) What is the relationship of Rhapontic Rhubarb (Rheum rhaponticum L.)

> > and CM��s common rhubarb (Rhei Radix et Rhizoma).

>

> The former doesn't seem to be listed as an official species pertaining to Da

Huang, at least not in the Zhong Yao Da Ci Dian.

>

> > 2) Is the former in the ZYDCD?

>

> It doesn't seem to be listed in ZYDCD.

>

> > 3) I just want to verify that this is different than CM��s

rhaponticum

> > (Rhapontici Radix) (ϳ��, lou lu).

>

> After a quick search, it looks like the Lou Lu and the Rheum rhaponticum plant

are botanically unrelated, separate genera and family.

>

> Eric

>

[Guest guest]

Thanks Eric,

 

 

 

Just for the record, an extract of this Rhapontic Rhubarb (Rheum rhaponticum

L.) is successfully treating patients with hot flashes and other symptoms

due to menopause. In its initial trials it was almost equal to hormone

replacement for the reduction of such symptoms.

 

 

 

 

 

-Jason

 

 

 

 

On Behalf Of smilinglotus

Friday, March 05, 2010 2:28 PM

 

Re: spirituality and warfare-> Rhubarb...

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

<%40> , " "

wrote:

 

>

> 1) What is the relationship of Rhapontic Rhubarb (Rheum rhaponticum L.)

> and CM¡Çs common rhubarb (Rhei Radix et Rhizoma).

 

The former doesn't seem to be listed as an official species pertaining to Da

Huang, at least not in the Zhong Yao Da Ci Dian.

 

> 2) Is the former in the ZYDCD?

 

It doesn't seem to be listed in ZYDCD.

 

> 3) I just want to verify that this is different than CM¡Çs rhaponticum

> (Rhapontici Radix) (ϳ°², lou lu).

 

After a quick search, it looks like the Lou Lu and the Rheum rhaponticum

plant are botanically unrelated, separate genera and family.

 

Eric

 

 

 

 

 

 

[Guest guest]

Hi Jason,

 

My teacher just gave me a book full of abstracts from a da huang conference that

he wants me to study. I have looked through part of it but there is not a lot of

detail because they are abstracts. I will be going through and picking out some

articles I think are key and working on them while he teaches me to use this

herb is new and exciting ways :~

 

I just took a quick look through it (152 pages) and I don't see R. rhaponticum,

but I will be spending a fair bit of time with the book this week, so I will let

you know if I find anything.

 

Thomas

 

, " " wrote:

>

> Yes I am ready for some herb talk, since this is the CHA and all¡Ä

>

>

>

> I have some questions:

>

> 1) What is the relationship of Rhapontic Rhubarb (Rheum rhaponticum L.)

> and CM¡Çs common rhubarb (Rhei Radix et Rhizoma).

>

> 2) Is the former in the ZYDCD?

>

> 3) I just want to verify that this is different than CM¡Çs rhaponticum

> (Rhapontici Radix) (ϳ°², lou lu).

>

> -

>

>

>

>

> On Behalf Of bill_schoenbart

> Friday, March 05, 2010 1:10 PM

>

> Re: spirituality and warfare

>

>

>

>

>

> Interesting topic, but not really related to herbs. It might be a good idea

> to end this thread before it heats up.

>

> - Bill

>

>

>

>

[Guest guest]

Hi Thomas,

 

Sounds exciting, keep us posted. How we don't have conferances on da

Huang in the west?

Thanks for checking into this...

Jason

 

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On 2010-3-7, at 上åˆ4:57, " Thomas " wrote:

 

> Hi Jason,

>

> My teacher just gave me a book full of abstracts from a da huang

> conference that he wants me to study. I have looked through part of

> it but there is not a lot of detail because they are abstracts. I

> will be going through and picking out some articles I think are key

> and working on them while he teaches me to use this herb is new and

> exciting ways :~

>

> I just took a quick look through it (152 pages) and I don't see R.

> rhaponticum, but I will be spending a fair bit of time with the book

> this week, so I will let you know if I find anything.

>

> Thomas

>

> , " "

> wrote:

> >

> > Yes I am ready for some herb talk, since this is the CHA and all¡Ä

> >

> >

> >

> > I have some questions:

> >

> > 1) What is the relationship of Rhapontic Rhubarb (Rheum

> rhaponticum L.)

> > and CM¡Çs common rhubarb (Rhei Radix et Rhizoma).

> >

> > 2) Is the former in the ZYDCD?

> >

> > 3) I just want to verify that this is different than CM¡Çs rhapont

> icum

> > (Rhapontici Radix) (ó°², lou lu).

> >

> > -

> >

> >

> >

> >

> > On Behalf Of

> bill_schoenbart

> > Friday, March 05, 2010 1:10 PM

> >

> > Re: spirituality and warfare

> >

> >

> >

> >

> >

> > Interesting topic, but not really related to herbs. It might be a

> good idea

> > to end this thread before it heats up.

> >

> > - Bill

> >

> >

> >

> >

[Guest guest]

Rheum rhaponticum has been used in Germany for menopausal hot flashes. See the

abstract below.

 

- Bill Schoenbart

 

 

 

Altern Ther Health Med. 2009 Jan-Feb;15(1):24-34.

Confirmation of the efficacy of ERr 731 in perimenopausal women with menopausal

symptoms.

 

Kaszkin-Bettag M, Ventskovskiy BM, Solskyy S, Beck S, Hasper I, Kravchenko A,

Rettenberger R, Richardson A, Heger PW.

 

University of Frankfurt Medical School, Germany. mkbrhubarb

 

OBJECTIVE: In a previous study, the special extract ERr 731 of Rheum rhaponticum

significantly reduced vasomotor and other menopausal symptoms associated with

perimenopause. This trial was conducted to confirm the efficacy of ERr 731.

DESIGN: A multicenter, randomized, placebo-controlled, clinical trial with 112

perimenopausal women with menopausal symptoms receiving either 1 enteric-coated

tablet of ERr 731 (n = 56) or placebo (n = 56) daily for 12 weeks. Primary

outcome criterion for efficacy of ERr 731 compared to placebo was the change of

the Menopause Rating Scale (MRS) total score from day 0 to day 84. Other

efficacy assessments analyzed included the number and severity of hot flushes,

individual symptoms of the MRS, treatment outcome, and various safety

parameters. RESULTS: By 12 weeks, ERr 731 caused a highly significant reduction

of the MRS total score from 27.0 +/- 4.7 points to 12.4 +/- 5.3 points when

compared to the placebo-induced decrease from 27.0 +/- 5.3 points to 24.0 +/-

6.2 points (P < .0001). A significant reduction in each individual MRS item

score, in hot flushes and the hot flush weekly weighted score, together with a

marked improvement in treatment outcome were also observed (P < .0001). These

results confirm the efficacy of ERr 731 in alleviating menopausal symptoms in

perimenopausal women. Fourteen adverse events were reported in total: 11 by 5

women receiving ERr 731 and 3 by 3 women receiving placebo. ERr 731 was well

tolerated by the majority of the women. CONCLUSION: ERr 731 was confirmed to be

effective for the treatment of menopausal symptoms in perimenopause.

 

 

 

 

> >

> > I have some questions:

> >

> > 1) What is the relationship of Rhapontic Rhubarb (Rheum rhaponticum L.)

> > and CM��s common rhubarb (Rhei Radix et Rhizoma).

> >

> > 2) Is the former in the ZYDCD?

> >

> > 3) I just want to verify that this is different than CM��s

rhaponticum

> > (Rhapontici Radix) (ϳ��, lou lu).

> >

> > -

> >

> >

> >

>

[Guest guest]

Hi Bill,

 

 

 

I'm wondering if you could say a little bit more about this being a hybrid,

of I assume rhubarb (Rhei Radix et Rhizoma). Is this some new creation? Is

there a website that you like for retrieving such information?

 

 

 

 

 

-Jason

 

 

 

 

On Behalf Of bill_schoenbart

Friday, March 05, 2010 4:57 PM

 

Re: spirituality and warfare-> Rhubarb...

 

 

 

 

 

Rheum rhaponticum is a hybrid of the medicinal species. It might be similar,

but it is always best to stick with the standard species.

 

- Bill

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

[Guest guest]

Bill,

 

 

 

Thanks for posting this. I am wondering if there is some traditional use

that led these researchers to test this Rheum rhaponticum. I am still

unclear on which plan this actually is. Some indigenous German plant?

 

 

 

-Jason

 

 

 

 

On Behalf Of bill_schoenbart

Sunday, March 07, 2010 11:25 AM

 

Re: spirituality and warfare-> Rhubarb...

 

 

 

 

 

Rheum rhaponticum has been used in Germany for menopausal hot flashes. See

the abstract below.

 

- Bill Schoenbart

 

Altern Ther Health Med. 2009 Jan-Feb;15(1):24-34.

Confirmation of the efficacy of ERr 731 in perimenopausal women with

menopausal symptoms.

 

Kaszkin-Bettag M, Ventskovskiy BM, Solskyy S, Beck S, Hasper I, Kravchenko

A, Rettenberger R, Richardson A, Heger PW.

 

University of Frankfurt Medical School, Germany. mkbrhubarb

<mkbrhubarb%40.de>

 

OBJECTIVE: In a previous study, the special extract ERr 731 of Rheum

rhaponticum significantly reduced vasomotor and other menopausal symptoms

associated with perimenopause. This trial was conducted to confirm the

efficacy of ERr 731. DESIGN: A multicenter, randomized, placebo-controlled,

clinical trial with 112 perimenopausal women with menopausal symptoms

receiving either 1 enteric-coated tablet of ERr 731 (n = 56) or placebo (n =

56) daily for 12 weeks. Primary outcome criterion for efficacy of ERr 731

compared to placebo was the change of the Menopause Rating Scale (MRS) total

score from day 0 to day 84. Other efficacy assessments analyzed included the

number and severity of hot flushes, individual symptoms of the MRS,

treatment outcome, and various safety parameters. RESULTS: By 12 weeks, ERr

731 caused a highly significant reduction of the MRS total score from 27.0

+/- 4.7 points to 12.4 +/- 5.3 points when compared to the placebo-induced

decrease from 27.0 +/- 5.3 points to 24.0 +/- 6.2 points (P < .0001). A

significant reduction in each individual MRS item score, in hot flushes and

the hot flush weekly weighted score, together with a marked improvement in

treatment outcome were also observed (P < .0001). These results confirm the

efficacy of ERr 731 in alleviating menopausal symptoms in perimenopausal

women. Fourteen adverse events were reported in total: 11 by 5 women

receiving ERr 731 and 3 by 3 women receiving placebo. ERr 731 was well

tolerated by the majority of the women. CONCLUSION: ERr 731 was confirmed to

be effective for the treatment of menopausal symptoms in perimenopause.

 

>

 

 

 

 

[Guest guest]

Jason,

 

I have looked through the entire book and can not find any reference to Rheum

rhaponticum. So, while I hesitate to say it is not used in Chinese medicine,

that would be the indication at this point.

 

The book will yield some interested study though, such as an article devoted to

looking at all the formula from the Jin Gui that use da huang and specifically

studying da huang in this context. And there are other papers like this.

 

Thomas