Guest guest Posted May 12, 2010 Report Share Posted May 12, 2010 Dear Mr Rosenberg, thank you for your reply. I\'d like to use some Chinese characters for clarity if that\'s okay? In the UK there seems to be confusion about what the weather is in terms of ²¡Òò. Of the Íâ¸Ð the ÁùÒù I\'ve seen described as a collective term for untimely climatic influences. I\'ve seen it translated as the six evils, six pathogens, six abnormal climatic changes. However, isn\'t there a difference between ·ç and ·çа ,º® and º®Ð°, Êî andÊîа ,ʪ andʪа, Ôï and Ôïа ,»ð and »ðа, ÈÈ and ÈÈа? Normally ·ç, º® andʪ etc aren\'t harmful and thus not pathogenic or а. And as the theory goes it is only an untimely appearance or when in abundance that they become harmful. However, in the UK when I talk to my colleagues it seems that they conceptualise ·ç , º® Êî ʪ Ôï »ð ÈÈ as ·çа etc. This lack of clarity or insecurity with theory and terminology seems to have an effect on how we diagnose and which formulas we apply. I\'m interested in how other people think about the differences between the weather/climate and the Íâ¸Ð ÁùÒù, are they the same? Also, if we are talking about the ÁùÒù how do you conceive of what happens when they meet the human body, I have an expectation that the response is heterogeneous? Within medical anthropology there are commonly held cross cultural folk and lay beliefs surrounding the interaction of the for want of a better word \'weather\' and illness. (I can supply interesting examples and the references for this discourse if you are interested?) I wonder, when patients present with a condition they attribute to the \'weather\' if they, and we, as Chinese medicine practitioners are actually talking about the same thing? I\'m not looking for the essentialist \'answer\' rather the range of opinions, a dialogue perhaps? Kindest regards, Ashley Brammah , " crawshawbrammah " <crawshawbrammah wrote: > > Dear Mr Rosenberg, > > thank you for your reply. > > I'd like to use some Chinese characters for clarity if that's okay? > > In the UK there seems to be confusion about what the weather is in terms of & #30149; & #22240;. Of the & #22806; & #24863; the & #20845; & #28139; I've seen described as a collective term for untimely climatic influences. I've seen it translated as the six evils, six pathogens, six abnormal climatic changes. However, isn't there a difference between & #39118; and & #39118; & #37034; , & #23506; and & #23506; & #37034;, & #26257; and & #26257; & #37034; , & #28287; and & #28287; & #37034;, & #29157; and & #29157; & #37034; , & #28779; and & #28779; & #37034;, & #28909; and & #28909; & #37034;? > > Normally & #39118;, & #23506; and & #28287; etc aren't harmful and thus not pathogenic or & #37034;. And as the theory goes it is only an untimely appearance or when in abundance that they become harmful. However, in the UK when I talk to my colleagues it seems that they conceptualise & #39118; , & #23506; & #26257; & #28287; & #29157; & #28779; & #28909; as & #39118; & #37034; etc. This lack of clarity or insecurity with > theory and terminology seems to have an effect on how we diagnose and which formulas we apply. > > I'm interested in how other people think about the differences between the weather/climate and the & #22806; & #24863; & #20845; & #28139;, are they the same? Also, if we are talking about the & #20845; & #28139; how do you conceive of what happens when they meet the human body, I have an expectation that the response is heterogeneous? > > Within medical anthropology there are commonly held cross cultural folk and lay beliefs surrounding the interaction of the for want of a better word 'weather' and illness. (I can supply interesting examples and the references for this discourse if you are interested?) I wonder, when patients present with a condition they attribute to the 'weather' if they, and we, as Chinese medicine practitioners are actually talking about the same thing? I'm not looking for the essentialist 'answer' rather the range of opinions, a dialogue perhaps? > > Kindest regards, > > Ashley Brammah > , zrosenbe@ wrote: > > > > All the time. It is an accepted principle in Chinese medicine that changes in weather can correlate with the development of specific symptoms in patients. Explaining this would require a very in-depth discussion. .. . it is a central theme of such texts as the Shang Han Lun/Treatise on Cold Damage and Wen Bing xue/Warm Disease theory. In warm disease theory, there is the concept of seasonal diseases that appear at specific times of year or with changes in weather, such as wind warmth, spring warmth, summerheat damp, or autumn dryness. . > > > > > > > > > > On May 6, 2010, at 5:09 PM, crawshawbrammah wrote: > > > > > Have you noticed patients reporting a connection between their symptoms and the weather, of have you noticed a connection between the weather and patients reporting of symptoms. How do you understand this correlation? > > > > > > Ashley Brammah > > > > > > > > > > > > Chair, Department of Herbal Medicine > > Pacific College of Oriental Medicine > > San Diego, Ca. 92122 > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted May 12, 2010 Report Share Posted May 12, 2010 much better, thank you. . . Z'ev On May 12, 2010, at 12:04 PM, wrote: > Dear Mr Rosenberg, thank you for your reply. I\'d like to use some > Chinese characters for clarity if that\'s okay? In the UK there seems > to be confusion about what the weather is in terms of ç—…å› . Of > the 外感 the å…æ·« I\'ve seen described as a collective > term for untimely climatic influences. I\'ve seen it translated as the > six evils, six pathogens, six abnormal climatic changes. However, > isn\'t there a difference between 风 and 风邪 ,寒 and > 寒邪, æš‘ and暑邪 ,湿 and湿邪, 燥 and > 燥邪 ,ç« and ç«é‚ª, çƒ and çƒé‚ª? Normally > 风, 寒 and湿 etc aren\'t harmful and thus not pathogenic > or 邪. And as the theory goes it is only an untimely appearance or > when in abundance that they become harmful. However, in the UK when I > talk to my colleagues it seems that they conceptualise 风 , 寒 > æš‘ 湿 燥 ç« çƒ as 风邪 etc. This lack of > clarity or insecurity with theory and terminology seems to have an > effect on how we diagnose and which formulas we apply. I\'m interested > in how other people think about the differences between the > weather/climate and the 外感 å…æ·«, are they the same? > Also, if we are talking about the å…æ·« how do you conceive of what > happens when they meet the human body, I have an expectation that the > response is heterogeneous? Within medical anthropology there are > commonly held cross cultural folk and lay beliefs surrounding the > interaction of the for want of a better word \'weather\' and illness. > (I can supply interesting examples and the references for this > discourse if you are interested?) I wonder, when patients present with a > condition they attribute to the \'weather\' if they, and we, as Chinese > medicine practitioners are actually talking about the same thing? I\'m > not looking for the essentialist \'answer\' rather the range of > opinions, a dialogue perhaps? Kindest regards, Ashley Brammah > , " crawshawbrammah " > <crawshawbrammah wrote: > > > > Dear Mr Rosenberg, > > > > thank you for your reply. > > > > I'd like to use some Chinese characters for clarity if that's okay? > > > > In the UK there seems to be confusion about what the weather is in > terms of & #30149; & #22240;. Of the & #22806; & #24863; the & #20845; & #28139; > I've seen described as a collective term for untimely climatic > influences. I've seen it translated as the six evils, six pathogens, > six abnormal climatic changes. However, isn't there a difference > between & #39118; and & #39118; & #37034; , & #23506; and & #23506; & #37034;, > & #26257; and & #26257; & #37034; , & #28287; and & #28287; & #37034;, & #29157; and > & #29157; & #37034; , & #28779; and & #28779; & #37034;, & #28909; and > & #28909; & #37034;? > > > > Normally & #39118;, & #23506; and & #28287; etc aren't harmful and thus > not pathogenic or & #37034;. And as the theory goes it is only an > untimely appearance or when in abundance that they become harmful. > However, in the UK when I talk to my colleagues it seems that they > conceptualise & #39118; , & #23506; & #26257; & #28287; & #29157; & #28779; > & #28909; as & #39118; & #37034; etc. This lack of clarity or insecurity > with > > theory and terminology seems to have an effect on how we diagnose and > which formulas we apply. > > > > I'm interested in how other people think about the differences between > the weather/climate and the & #22806; & #24863; & #20845; & #28139;, are they > the same? Also, if we are talking about the & #20845; & #28139; how do you > conceive of what happens when they meet the human body, I have an > expectation that the response is heterogeneous? > > > > Within medical anthropology there are commonly held cross cultural > folk and lay beliefs surrounding the interaction of the for want of a > better word 'weather' and illness. (I can supply interesting examples > and the references for this discourse if you are interested?) I wonder, > when patients present with a condition they attribute to the 'weather' > if they, and we, as Chinese medicine practitioners are actually talking > about the same thing? I'm not looking for the essentialist 'answer' > rather the range of opinions, a dialogue perhaps? > > > > Kindest regards, > > > > Ashley Brammah > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > , zrosenbe@ > wrote: > > > > > > All the time. It is an accepted principle in Chinese medicine that > changes in weather can correlate with the development of specific > symptoms in patients. Explaining this would require a very in-depth > discussion. .. . it is a central theme of such texts as the Shang Han > Lun/Treatise on Cold Damage and Wen Bing xue/Warm Disease theory. In > warm disease theory, there is the concept of seasonal diseases that > appear at specific times of year or with changes in weather, such as > wind warmth, spring warmth, summerheat damp, or autumn dryness. . > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > On May 6, 2010, at 5:09 PM, crawshawbrammah wrote: > > > > > > > Have you noticed patients reporting a connection between their > symptoms and the weather, of have you noticed a connection between the > weather and patients reporting of symptoms. How do you understand this > correlation? > > > > > > > > Ashley Brammah > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Chair, Department of Herbal Medicine > > > Pacific College of Oriental Medicine > > > San Diego, Ca. 92122 > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted May 12, 2010 Report Share Posted May 12, 2010 bravo! Now if you can just add he pinyin, I think we could all learn a LOT, a lot FASTER. Let's get some of that osmosis happenin'! a On May 12, 2010, at 3:04 PM, wrote: > Dear Mr Rosenberg, thank you for your reply. I\'d like to use some > Chinese characters for clarity if that\'s okay? In the UK there seems > to be confusion about what the weather is in terms of ç—…å› . Of > the 外感 the å…æ·« I\'ve seen described as a collective > term for untimely climatic influences. I\'ve seen it translated as the > six evils, six pathogens, six abnormal climatic changes. However, > isn\'t there a difference between 风 and 风邪 ,寒 and > 寒邪, æš‘ and暑邪 ,湿 and湿邪, 燥 and > 燥邪 ,ç« and ç«é‚ª, çƒ and çƒé‚ª? Normally > 风, 寒 and湿 etc aren\'t harmful and thus not pathogenic > or 邪. And as the theory goes it is only an untimely appearance or > when in abundance that they become harmful. However, in the UK when I > talk to my colleagues it seems that they conceptualise 风 , 寒 > æš‘ 湿 燥 ç« çƒ as 风邪 etc. This lack of > clarity or insecurity with theory and terminology seems to have an > effect on how we diagnose and which formulas we apply. I\'m interested > in how other people think about the differences between the > weather/climate and the 外感 å…æ·«, are they the same? > Also, if we are talking about the å…æ·« how do you conceive of what > happens when they meet the human body, I have an expectation that the > response is heterogeneous? Within medical anthropology there are > commonly held cross cultural folk and lay beliefs surrounding the > interaction of the for want of a better word \'weather\' and illness. > (I can supply interesting examples and the references for this > discourse if you are interested?) I wonder, when patients present with a > condition they attribute to the \'weather\' if they, and we, as Chinese > medicine practitioners are actually talking about the same thing? I\'m > not looking for the essentialist \'answer\' rather the range of > opinions, a dialogue perhaps? Kindest regards, Ashley Brammah > , " crawshawbrammah " > <crawshawbrammah wrote: > > > > Dear Mr Rosenberg, > > > > thank you for your reply. > > > > I'd like to use some Chinese characters for clarity if that's okay? > > > > In the UK there seems to be confusion about what the weather is in > terms of & #30149; & #22240;. Of the & #22806; & #24863; the & #20845; & #28139; > I've seen described as a collective term for untimely climatic > influences. I've seen it translated as the six evils, six pathogens, > six abnormal climatic changes. However, isn't there a difference > between & #39118; and & #39118; & #37034; , & #23506; and & #23506; & #37034;, > & #26257; and & #26257; & #37034; , & #28287; and & #28287; & #37034;, & #29157; and > & #29157; & #37034; , & #28779; and & #28779; & #37034;, & #28909; and > & #28909; & #37034;? > > > > Normally & #39118;, & #23506; and & #28287; etc aren't harmful and thus > not pathogenic or & #37034;. And as the theory goes it is only an > untimely appearance or when in abundance that they become harmful. > However, in the UK when I talk to my colleagues it seems that they > conceptualise & #39118; , & #23506; & #26257; & #28287; & #29157; & #28779; > & #28909; as & #39118; & #37034; etc. This lack of clarity or insecurity > with > > theory and terminology seems to have an effect on how we diagnose and > which formulas we apply. > > > > I'm interested in how other people think about the differences between > the weather/climate and the & #22806; & #24863; & #20845; & #28139;, are they > the same? Also, if we are talking about the & #20845; & #28139; how do you > conceive of what happens when they meet the human body, I have an > expectation that the response is heterogeneous? > > > > Within medical anthropology there are commonly held cross cultural > folk and lay beliefs surrounding the interaction of the for want of a > better word 'weather' and illness. (I can supply interesting examples > and the references for this discourse if you are interested?) I wonder, > when patients present with a condition they attribute to the 'weather' > if they, and we, as Chinese medicine practitioners are actually talking > about the same thing? I'm not looking for the essentialist 'answer' > rather the range of opinions, a dialogue perhaps? > > > > Kindest regards, > > > > Ashley Brammah > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > , zrosenbe@ > wrote: > > > > > > All the time. It is an accepted principle in Chinese medicine that > changes in weather can correlate with the development of specific > symptoms in patients. Explaining this would require a very in-depth > discussion. .. . it is a central theme of such texts as the Shang Han > Lun/Treatise on Cold Damage and Wen Bing xue/Warm Disease theory. In > warm disease theory, there is the concept of seasonal diseases that > appear at specific times of year or with changes in weather, such as > wind warmth, spring warmth, summerheat damp, or autumn dryness. . > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > On May 6, 2010, at 5:09 PM, crawshawbrammah wrote: > > > > > > > Have you noticed patients reporting a connection between their > symptoms and the weather, of have you noticed a connection between the > weather and patients reporting of symptoms. How do you understand this > correlation? > > > > > > > > Ashley Brammah > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Chair, Department of Herbal Medicine > > > Pacific College of Oriental Medicine > > > San Diego, Ca. 92122 > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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