Braggs

[Guest guest]

>>braggs is not raw. it is chemical.. and un natural.. it also contains msg

like compounds that are very unhealthy..

 

>>Products that contain glutamates as the main ingredient to enhance taste

of food are ... Bragg's Liquid Aminos....

 

Says who? Please provide documentation about this; right now all we have is

heresay.

[Guest guest]

>>braggs is not raw. it is chemical.. and un natural.. it also contains

msg

like compounds that are very unhealthy..

 

>>Products that contain glutamates as the main ingredient to enhance

taste

of food are ... Bragg's Liquid Aminos....

 

Says who? Please provide documentation about this; right now all we

have is

heresay.

[RH]

Actually this isn't hearsay. I've read a couple of articles explaining

the problems with Braggs. It's just that most raw foodists have known

this about Braggs for years and therefore they'll just state the opinion

without any facts to back it up.

 

Any kind of salty soy sauce type of product naturally contains

glutamates and therefore a form of MSG. I'd eat salt before I chose

Braggs or Nama Shoyu for that matter. But I don't think even Celtic Sea

Salt is very healthy. Our bodies do much better by getting the salt in

organic form from stuff like celery and tomatoes.

 

Sodium Chloride is a toxin to the body. That is why we get so thirsty

when we eat salt. The body has to put much more water inside itself to

dilute the toxicity of the salt.

 

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i read a big long article on some raw site about it, and for the life

of me i cannot find it for reference..

 

braggs had to change the lables legally, and they admitted to using

some sort of acid to break it all down, i cannot remember what acid,

but it was not a natural thing at all.

 

i will try and find a link for it...

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rawfood , " Bryan Erickson " <hexfix93@a...>

wrote:

> i read a big long article on some raw site about it, and for the

life

> of me i cannot find it for reference..

>

> braggs had to change the lables legally, and they admitted to using

> some sort of acid to break it all down, i cannot remember what acid,

> but it was not a natural thing at all.

>

> i will try and find a link for it...

 

The good thing is that there _is_ an alternative: Nama Shoyu. It's

the one that's being recommended now and for last year or so, esp.

 

I've used Bragg's for one thing: to marinate. Nothing seems to do

as good a job but I have been looking at alternatives since here in

Canada, Nama Shoyu is not easy to get. So far, have only found one

source and it's an internet one

(http://www.rawganique.com/Food1.htm#nama, there's a good blurb there

on it). But I have found substitutes that work well enough if the

mushrooms are used mixed with other foods. In Juliano's fantastic

recipe for " meat " loaf (raw AND vegan!! for those who don't know this

recipe or his book), he says one can substitute a marinade made with

a miso/orange juice combination. It works well enough. But I do

like marinated mushrooms as a side dish and it satisfies my long-ago

love of fried mushrooms. But here's something I was told about

recently and haven't tried - a marinade made of celtic sea salt and

lemon juice. This sounds like it might be perfect. Salt seems to

soften things quite well; and if one is very concerned, after

draining the marinade, would could soak again in just plain lemon

juice and pour off so that even more salt " rinsed " off. I got to

thinking that virtually any recipe calling for Bragg's could use this

celtic sea salt/lemon juice substitute.

 

For those against salt, and I'm a former Natural Hygienist and the

prejudice against salt is incredible strong, I have come to terms

with the fact that this is a small transgression. I'm still better

off on a raw diet with an occasional bit of salt intake of this kind

(_not_ regular salt, only some form of sea salt). I don't have

marinated mushrooms often, so I feel I can live with this balance

between the ideal and a minimally good level of raw diet.

Cheers! :oD

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on 10/18/03 11:23 AM, Greg Baskin - Gold Mountain Mining Company at

Greg wrote:

 

>>braggs is not raw. it is chemical.. and un natural.. it also contains msg

like compounds that are very unhealthy..

 

>>Products that contain glutamates as the main ingredient to enhance taste

of food are ... Bragg's Liquid Aminos....

 

Says who? Please provide documentation about this; right now all we have is

heresay.

 

 

Please go to this site for clarification about Bragg's

http://www.bragg.com/products/liquidaminos.html

 

 

Jane Edenfield

boxers1

Odessa,Florida 33556

 

 

 

 

 

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rawfood , Jane Edenfield <boxers1@m...> wrote:

> on 10/18/03 11:23 AM, Greg Baskin - Gold Mountain Mining Company at

> Greg@G... wrote:

>

> >>braggs is not raw. it is chemical.. and un natural.. it also

contains msg

> like compounds that are very unhealthy..

>

> >>Products that contain glutamates as the main ingredient to enhance

taste

> of food are ... Bragg's Liquid Aminos....

>

> Says who? Please provide documentation about this; right now all we

have is

> heresay.

 

******************

" Many raw foodists and others believe that Braggs Amino Acid, a

non-fermented soy sauce available in health food stores all over the

world, is a neurotoxin and unhealthy to ingest.

 

First, let's look at the arguments against Braggs.

IS BRAGGS POISON?

 

Griselda Blazey has a B.S. in biology, a M.S. is biochemistry, and a

Ph.D. (actually a post-doctorate) in endocrinology. She also has a

degree from the now defunct College of Dietary Therapy in England. She

authored a book, " Food Matters " , and a workbook called, " Nutritional

Transformation " , and used to teach a course by that name. She has been

teaching cell physiology, metabolic disorders, and nutrition at Life

Chiropractic College West, in San Leandro,California for the past four

years. The first time I heard her theory on the saltiness of Bragg's

Liquid Aminos was during a lecture she gave at a San Francisco Living

Foods Support Group meeting a few years ago. Here is the text from her

recent letter:

 

" The other topic you asked about in your letter was about how Bragg's

Aminos are made. Once again, here's an armchair biologist's answer,

meaning that I don't know this for sure, but it's the only thing that

makes scientific sense. If I were given some vegetable protein and

were asked to make it into amino acids without spending a lot of money

on it, I would boil it up with some hydrochloric acid. This would

break it down to amino acids, but of course it would be too acidic to

be palatable. So I would then neutralize the acid with baking soda,

causing the reaction mixture to look like this:

 

2HCl + Na2CO3 ===> 2NaCl + CO2 + H2O

 

So the salt gets made by mistake as it were. Now someone (I forget

who) followed up on this and contacted the Bragg's company to ask if

this was how they did it, and they denied it. However, they didn't

disclose how they do actually do it, so in the absence of correct

information, and with an extremely salty taste in their product, I

still consider the above process to play at least some part in their

procedure. "

 

That's it. We don't know for sure. All I know is that Griselda has an

impressive mind for original theoretical scientific thought, and I

sure felt

awful after having a bit of Bragg's a several years ago, just like I

did when after having some dulse flakes in raw food recipes - I think

that they heat the dulse to drive out the moisture so that it is

chopable, thus cooking it and making the " deadly " form of sodium chloride.

 

Hope you find her theory interesting and worthy of second-thinking the

inclusion of the Bragg's product in recipes. - Dave Klein, 1997

 

* * *

 

RE: Bragg liquid aminos IS POISON

Author: Dave Klein, board moderator (209-239-210-172.oak.jps.net)

08-06-1999 14:34

 

It looks like we finally got some proof from the Braggs company that

the liquid aminos product is heat processed and made with hydrochloric

acid. Salt apparently forms in its processing, plus glutamic acid

which is the same poison which is in MSG.

 

Many many raw fooders have apparently been lied to and duped by the

Braggs who have until recently stated that the product

is all raw and not processed with heat or chemicals. And many many

folks like myself become ill very soon after ingesting the crap. Sea

salt is less deadly than Bragg's Liquid Aminos, but then I prefer

tomatoes to get minerals salts in my diet when I want to enjoy salty

flavors. Try adding sun dried tomatoes to salads too. "

*********************

[Guest guest]

Thanks for the reply, Bryan. Very interesting.

[Guest guest]

> Braggs is heat treated and suspect.

 

Can someone please give me a source of Braggs being heat treated? I

contacted them directly and this was their response:

 

Tuesday, November 18, 2003 1:05 PM

RE: Contact Form :: www.bragg.com

 

 

> Hello Wendy,

> Bragg Liquid Aminos are not cooked, there is no chemically produced MSG

> added. Patricia Bragg is allergic to MSG and has used it daily for many

> years. Thank you for your inquiry.

> --

> Wishing you Health, Peace and Happiness

> Bragg Customer Service

> http://www.bragg.com

>

[Guest guest]

They used to advertise that braggs was raw and they don't anymore. From

my experience I believe they are hiding things and should not be

trusted. Heck they are out to make a buck just like anyone else, so

buyer beware.

 

Roger

 

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Hello!

i don`t remember how, but i read one article about

bragg amino that by some chemical process, msg creates

itself in it.whether it is is raw or not, i believe

it`s not good.many people are alergic to bragg.Gabriel

cousen tasted on me and some of us and finally he also

decided that bragg is not good stuff to use in tree of

life cafe.before he was very much fond of it.

Briksha(mahendra)

--- Roger Haeske <roger wrote:

> They used to advertise that braggs was raw and they

> don't anymore. From

> my experience I believe they are hiding things and

> should not be

> trusted. Heck they are out to make a buck just like

> anyone else, so

> buyer beware.

>

> Roger

>

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> Hi Mahendra, I'm deciding to pass on the Bragg's just to be on the

> safe salt. A few members have suggested sea salt and tamari for

> seasoning so I may just use the two of those. Lili---

 

I am passing on it too. Even though they were quick to respond to me, the

wording was evasive. Given the fact that no actual person put their name to

the response sends up a red flag too.

 

I have heard a little about Nama Shoyu. What are everyone's thoughts on

that?

 

~Wendy

[Guest guest]

i think Sea salt is best, if you like your seasoning

little bit more tasty, i would recomend miso rather

than BRAG OR TAMARI OE NAMO SOYU.at least miso has

predigested soyabean.

mahendra

 

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Pat wrote:

 

> Okay, it's made by a person by the name of Bragg and is her

> special recipe, contains only pure water and soybeans and is not

fermented.

> It's not like soy sauce because it's - well, it's Braggs. Sometimes

referred to as

> Bragg's Amino. It's a stand-by for vegetarian cooking (though I imagine

> unheard of outside of the western world), because it gives a great depth

of

> flavour to sauces and gravies and all that.

 

For " western world " read " western hemisphere " . I've never come across it

before - will go and look but I don't see much chance here in Hilversum.

Maybe more chance in the UK.

 

Piers

[Guest guest]

> For " western world " read " western hemisphere " . I've never come across it

> before - will go and look but I don't see much chance here in Hilversum.

> Maybe more chance in the UK.

 

Yes, and I might better have put 'northern hemisphere' into that too - I don't

remember seeing it while I was living in Australia - can any Australian

members comment on that??? Maybe I just didn't know what it was and

walked past it.

 

Good luck at finding it.

 

Best,

Pat ;

[Guest guest]

I love Braggs, it's a great one. Another good one people may like is Tamari,

which is more like a fermented soy, but not as high in saltiness.

--- Piers Clement <piers_clement wrote:

Pat wrote:

 

> Okay, it's made by a person by the name of Bragg and is her

> special recipe, contains only pure water and soybeans and is not

fermented.

> It's not like soy sauce because it's - well, it's Braggs. Sometimes

referred to as

> Bragg's Amino. It's a stand-by for vegetarian cooking (though I imagine

> unheard of outside of the western world), because it gives a great depth

of

> flavour to sauces and gravies and all that.

 

For " western world " read " western hemisphere " . I've never come across it

before - will go and look but I don't see much chance here in Hilversum.

Maybe more chance in the UK.

 

Piers

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

[Guest guest]

What is bottle conditioned ale? Just

curious. And a beer drinker. If it’s beer. Cyn

 

 

 

 

 

 

On Behalf

Of Peter VV

Wednesday, July 25, 2007

4:39 AM

 

Re: Re:

Braggs

 

 

 

 

 

 

Bottle conditioned ale...............yummmmmmmmmmm

usualy has some sedement in it, full of b vitamins...........thats my

excuse.

 

 

 

 

 

The Valley Vegan............

 

heartwerk

<jo.heartwork > wrote:

 

 

 

 

I would call brewers

yeast a supplement as it is not something we

would eat in the normal course of a day. The B12 comes from the

fermenting of the yeast. I think it is an excellent supplement.

 

Jo

 

,

" Marcy " <imgreen03 wrote:

>

> But we can get some of the dirt and bacteria on our root veggies.

Since we only need trace amounts of B12, this contributes to our

overall need.

>

> I east Brewers Yeast and Rice Dream as well, both of which contain

B12.

>

> I've been vegan this time for 10 years now. I gave up taking

supplements several years ago. I just make sure we eat healthy.

>

> Marcy

>

> -

> hacktorious

>

 

> Tuesday, July 24, 2007 7:58 AM

> Re: Braggs

>

>

> I have heard both sides of that. I have read articles stating

that is

> just a rumor and test's have been done to disprove that. However,

I

> don't know if the sources are reliable,as I am just reading this

info

> on the internet.

>

> Do cows and monkeys actually need vitamin b12? I was not aware of

> that. But that is why I joined this group; so I can learn.....lol

>

> Thanks.

>

> ,

yarrow@ wrote:

> >

> > Vitamin b-12 is produced by bacteria that live in the soil.

That's

> > where cows, monkeys and apes, and people who don't wash their

fruits

> > and vegetables get it from. In the modern overhygienic

> > antibacterial-saturated world, most of us no longer eat enough

dirt.

> >

> >

> > At 10:12 PM -0400 7/23/07, Scott wrote:

> > I am not convinced the human body cannot get vitamin B12 from

some

> > sort of plant source. Maybe it is in the inter tree bark of

some

> > sort of tree, which our ancestors gorged themselves on. Thus,

> > creating a dependency for this vitamin in our genes, or maybe

it was

> > meat; who knows? The fact of the matter is we don't really know.

> >

>

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

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the bottle. 4) Almost all bottled real ales are made from just four natural ingredients: malted barley, hops, water and yeast – there are no additives or E numbers. 5) It's mostly brewed by small or regional breweries and sold locally, so you'll be helping your local economy. 6) It's a hand-crafted product and brewers take extra care when producing real ale in a bottle. 7) There is so much variety to be enjoyed – well over 500 real ales in a bottle are now produced in the UK. 8) There are some magnificent bottled real ales from other countries, which go to prove that life outside Britain isn’t all bland, international lagers. 9) It makes an excellent accompaniment to food and with so many different bottled real ales available, it's fascinating to try to match

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I cant find a date on mine. I have had it for a while but not sure where

to look for the date. I didnt open it yet.

Neysa

[Guest guest]

You can also buy it at most health food stores and Fresh Market stores.

Judy

-

Donnalilacflower

Tuesday, October 02, 2007 8:53 PM

Re: Braggs revisited

 

 

Yes, it's at Whole Foods. You will find the best price

there. I have seen small bottles at grocery chains.

I don't like Vegemite, reminds me of grease around my

car brakes. I think you have to acquire a taste for

that one.

Donna

 

 

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[Guest guest]

Hey Neysa,

The expiration date is difficult to see...its on the neck of the bottle,

just as it slopes. You have to tilt the bottle, be in good light and turn

it...you will see the dotted numbers. Since BRAGGS is black, its difficult to

see

it. If I didn't describe where it is well, go to the web site as I couldn't

find mine either and looked it up.

Good luck,

Roxy Philly PA

 

 

 

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Hi Amanda, I'm going to look for the spray bottle now. Thanks so much.

Donna

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Amanda Rowse <pandadaisys

 

Wed, 3 Oct 2007 10:12:53

 

Re: Braggs

 

 

Hi all. I'm new to this group but had to chime in about Braggs. It's great! I

wanted to also say that I buy it in a spray bottle which makes life even EASIER.

I had previously never seen it in a spray bottle before, but since I found it

this way at my health food store I use it even more now, a spritz here and a

spritz there.

 

Thanks!

Amanda

 

[Guest guest]

K9ChemoNurse wrote:

> Hey Neysa,

> The expiration date is difficult to see...its on the neck of the bottle,

> just as it slopes. You have to tilt the bottle, be in good light and turn

> it...you will see the dotted numbers. Since BRAGGS is black, its difficult

to see

> it. If I didn't describe where it is well, go to the web site as I couldn't

> find mine either and looked it up.

>

 

Thanks Roxy! I found the little sucker!! LOL

Neysa

[Guest guest]

Hi all. I'm new to this group but had to chime in about Braggs. It's great! I

wanted to also say that I buy it in a spray bottle which makes life even EASIER.

I had previously never seen it in a spray bottle before, but since I found it

this way at my health food store I use it even more now, a spritz here and a

spritz there.

 

Thanks!

Amanda