Guest guest Posted March 23, 2005 Report Share Posted March 23, 2005 This today via Fidyl's SoFlaVegans list. Best, Pat ----------- Call yourself a veggie? http://news.bbc.co.uk/cbbcnews/hi/vote/votes/newsid_3786000/3786941.stm A new survey has shown loads of vegetarians in the UK are secretly munching on dead animals too. So are you the kind of vegetarian who sneaks some fish and chips now and then, or maybe bacon sandwiches are too much of a temptation. Call yourself a veggie? 3864 Votes Cast Yes 25.31% No 53.70% Yes, but I eat fish 9.73% Yes, but I eat fish and poultry 5.12% Yes, but I eat fish, poultry and red meat 6.13% Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted March 23, 2005 Report Share Posted March 23, 2005 I question the validity of this. It's on a BBC site; the article linked to seems to be anti-vegetarian and, considering the site, there should have been a " No, I'm not a vegetarian " choice. The linked article seems to treat vegetarians as undernourished if they don't eat meat. How many respondents really think of themselves as vegetarians. Lynn & The Spotted Dog pengwhyn wrote: >This today via Fidyl's SoFlaVegans list. >Best, >Pat >----------- > >Call yourself a veggie? > >http://news.bbc.co.uk/cbbcnews/hi/vote/votes/newsid_3786000/3786941.stm > > >A new survey has shown loads of vegetarians in >the UK are secretly >munching on dead animals too. > >So are you the kind of vegetarian who sneaks some >fish and chips now >and then, or maybe bacon sandwiches are too much >of a temptation. > >Call yourself a veggie? >3864 Votes Cast > Yes 25.31% > No 53.70% > Yes, but I eat fish 9.73% > Yes, but I eat fish and poultry 5.12% > Yes, but I eat fish, poultry and red meat 6.13% > > > Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted March 23, 2005 Report Share Posted March 23, 2005 >considering the site, there should > have been a " No, I'm not a vegetarian " choice. There was. Under 'Yes' there was also a " No' before the 'Yes but I eat fish' etc. However, I agree that it's confusing. A nasty little poll, I thought. It said: > >A new survey has shown loads of vegetarians in > >the UK are secretly munching on dead animals too. Secretly? Give me a break. Vegetarians don't eat animals. Full stop. If they do, then they're not. (Unless, of course, by accident, for example, or under extreme duress!) This kind of poll is designed to prove to the world that everyone eats animal flesh and that to say otherwise is to tell whopping great fibs. Not true. However, I thought the 25 per cent stat was interesting. That was the UK. In the USA (and we'll count Canada in because perhaps the stat was for all of NA, I don't remember) the stat is supposed to be that 60 per cent of vegetarians (also said to be 4 per cent of the population) eat animal flesh at some time. Of course, it would be more honest to suggest that a smaller per cent is vegetarian than to suggest that so-called vegetarians cheat. (Some people after all use the term very loosely and even flippantly.) Best, Pat Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted March 23, 2005 Report Share Posted March 23, 2005 This brings to mind a question, as I am admittedly new to the veggie thing.... can someone direct me to a good website where I can decode all of the different vegetarian subcategories (ovo, ovo lacto, etc)? Much appreciated, Colleen pengwhyn <veggiehound wrote: >considering the site, there should > have been a " No, I'm not a vegetarian " choice. There was. Under 'Yes' there was also a " No' before the 'Yes but I eat fish' etc. However, I agree that it's confusing. A nasty little poll, I thought. It said: > >A new survey has shown loads of vegetarians in > >the UK are secretly munching on dead animals too. Secretly? Give me a break. Vegetarians don't eat animals. Full stop. If they do, then they're not. (Unless, of course, by accident, for example, or under extreme duress!) This kind of poll is designed to prove to the world that everyone eats animal flesh and that to say otherwise is to tell whopping great fibs. Not true. However, I thought the 25 per cent stat was interesting. That was the UK. In the USA (and we'll count Canada in because perhaps the stat was for all of NA, I don't remember) the stat is supposed to be that 60 per cent of vegetarians (also said to be 4 per cent of the population) eat animal flesh at some time. Of course, it would be more honest to suggest that a smaller per cent is vegetarian than to suggest that so-called vegetarians cheat. (Some people after all use the term very loosely and even flippantly.) Best, Pat Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted March 23, 2005 Report Share Posted March 23, 2005 > This brings to mind a question, as I am admittedly new to the veggie thing.... > > can someone direct me to a good website where I can decode all of the different vegetarian subcategories (ovo, ovo lacto, etc)? Try this: http://www.ivu.org/faq/definitions.html It gives all that and more. vegetarian - eats no animal flesh (including meat, game, poultry, fish, waterlife of any sort, bugs, whatever walked, swam or crept or had a mother) - broken down into the following categories: ovo-lacto-vegetarian - eats eggs and dairy ovo-vegetarian - eats eggs lacto-vegetarian - eats dairy dietary vegan - no animal products, including honey and sometimes yeast. lifestyle vegan - neither eats nor uses animal products. But check out the link - and other pages at the ivu.org - for some great info. Also, check out Vegetarian Organizatiions and Vegetarian Resources in the Links (at our Homepage). And by all means keep asking! Best, Pat Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted March 23, 2005 Report Share Posted March 23, 2005 What annoys me is meat-eaters who think that vegetarians are people who crave meat but wont eat it for masochistic reasons! Jeez... I've had people tell me to " try just a little lamb or pork or beef " - they think it would change my eating habits forever with that one taste. I simply dont know how to convince them that I cant even imagine eating food that once baaed, mooed, swum, quacked, clucked, or made any kind of noise at all... Have y'all been through that sort of experience? Shammi Lycos email has now 300 Megabytes of free storage... Get it now at mail.lycos.co.uk Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted March 24, 2005 Report Share Posted March 24, 2005 You bet!! I've found a simple " no thank you, I don't eat animals " is usually enough. angela , " recipesonly " <recipesonly@l...> wrote: > What annoys me is meat-eaters who think that vegetarians are people who crave meat but wont eat it for masochistic reasons! > > Have y'all been through that sort of experience? > > Shammi > > Lycos email has now 300 Megabytes of free storage... Get it now at mail.lycos.co.uk > > > > Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted March 24, 2005 Report Share Posted March 24, 2005 Hi Colleen, Kudos for taking the plunge into vegetarian dining! Here are some definitions for you: Vegetarians eat no meat, fish, fowl, or sealife, nor derivatives of those if they have died. They often eat products made from the living animals, however, including eggs and dairy products. Ovo means eggs Lacto means dairy Vegans are a subset of vegetarians, and they eat no animal products, including eggs, dairy, and honey. These are the definitions used by vegetarian groups and magazines in western culture. There are also fake definitions like pescovegetarian, part-time vegetarian, etc. These are not vegetarians. If a person who has been eating vegetarian then eats a dead animal part, that person is no longer vegetarian but is an omnivore who sometimes eats vegetarian meals, like most of the population. Hope this helps Sherry in Oregon (vegetarian since 1982) At 09:56 AM 3/23/2005, you wrote: >This brings to mind a question, as I am admittedly new to the veggie thing.... > >can someone direct me to a good website where I can decode all of the >different vegetarian subcategories (ovo, ovo lacto, etc)? > >Much appreciated, >Colleen > >pengwhyn <veggiehound wrote: > > > >considering the site, there should > > have been a " No, I'm not a vegetarian " choice. > >There was. Under 'Yes' there was also a " No' before the 'Yes but I eat >fish' etc. >However, I agree that it's confusing. A nasty little poll, I thought. It said: > > > >A new survey has shown loads of vegetarians in > > >the UK are secretly munching on dead animals too. > >Secretly? Give me a break. Vegetarians don't eat animals. Full stop. If >they do, >then they're not. (Unless, of course, by accident, for example, or under >extreme duress!) > >This kind of poll is designed to prove to the world that everyone eats animal >flesh and that to say otherwise is to tell whopping great fibs. Not true. > >However, I thought the 25 per cent stat was interesting. That was the UK. In >the USA (and we'll count Canada in because perhaps the stat was for all of >NA, I don't remember) the stat is supposed to be that 60 per cent of >vegetarians (also said to be 4 per cent of the population) eat animal >flesh at >some time. Of course, it would be more honest to suggest that a smaller per >cent is vegetarian than to suggest that so-called vegetarians cheat. (Some >people after all use the term very loosely and even flippantly.) > >Best, > >Pat Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted March 24, 2005 Report Share Posted March 24, 2005 I took a look at the poll and did not find it that confusing. I am not a vegetarian but I do agree that the whole tone of the article was biased. I would tend to think, however, that the bias was more intended to catch peoples attention and get people to read it (ie, sell the article) than to be intentionally anti-vegetarian. I think this is a lot like talk radio and shock jocks, etc. It is bait to get people read and respond and thereby see their advertisers. That said, if I were a betting person, I would lay odds that the person who wrote it was a diehard meat eater who is probably very ignorant of being vegetarian. , " pengwhyn " <veggiehound> wrote: > > This today via Fidyl's SoFlaVegans list. > Best, > Pat > ----------- > > Call yourself a veggie? > > http://news.bbc.co.uk/cbbcnews/hi/vote/votes/newsid_3786000/3786941.s tm > > > A new survey has shown loads of vegetarians in > the UK are secretly > munching on dead animals too. > > So are you the kind of vegetarian who sneaks some > fish and chips now > and then, or maybe bacon sandwiches are too much > of a temptation. > > Call yourself a veggie? > 3864 Votes Cast > Yes 25.31% > No 53.70% > Yes, but I eat fish 9.73% > Yes, but I eat fish and poultry 5.12% > Yes, but I eat fish, poultry and red meat 6.13% Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted March 24, 2005 Report Share Posted March 24, 2005 Thanks to all of you! You all have been so informative and helpful. What a great group! My husband and I are very committed to bringing our daughter up in an envrionment and in a way that we think is right and just. You are all a wonderful bunch - my hat goes off to all of you! Colleen Sherry Rose <sherry wrote: Hi Colleen, Kudos for taking the plunge into vegetarian dining! Here are some definitions for you: Vegetarians eat no meat, fish, fowl, or sealife, nor derivatives of those if they have died. They often eat products made from the living animals, however, including eggs and dairy products. Ovo means eggs Lacto means dairy Vegans are a subset of vegetarians, and they eat no animal products, including eggs, dairy, and honey. These are the definitions used by vegetarian groups and magazines in western culture. There are also fake definitions like pescovegetarian, part-time vegetarian, etc. These are not vegetarians. If a person who has been eating vegetarian then eats a dead animal part, that person is no longer vegetarian but is an omnivore who sometimes eats vegetarian meals, like most of the population. Hope this helps Sherry in Oregon (vegetarian since 1982) At 09:56 AM 3/23/2005, you wrote: >This brings to mind a question, as I am admittedly new to the veggie thing.... > >can someone direct me to a good website where I can decode all of the >different vegetarian subcategories (ovo, ovo lacto, etc)? > >Much appreciated, >Colleen > >pengwhyn <veggiehound wrote: > > > >considering the site, there should > > have been a " No, I'm not a vegetarian " choice. > >There was. Under 'Yes' there was also a " No' before the 'Yes but I eat >fish' etc. >However, I agree that it's confusing. A nasty little poll, I thought. It said: > > > >A new survey has shown loads of vegetarians in > > >the UK are secretly munching on dead animals too. > >Secretly? Give me a break. Vegetarians don't eat animals. Full stop. If >they do, >then they're not. (Unless, of course, by accident, for example, or under >extreme duress!) > >This kind of poll is designed to prove to the world that everyone eats animal >flesh and that to say otherwise is to tell whopping great fibs. Not true. > >However, I thought the 25 per cent stat was interesting. That was the UK. In >the USA (and we'll count Canada in because perhaps the stat was for all of >NA, I don't remember) the stat is supposed to be that 60 per cent of >vegetarians (also said to be 4 per cent of the population) eat animal >flesh at >some time. Of course, it would be more honest to suggest that a smaller per >cent is vegetarian than to suggest that so-called vegetarians cheat. (Some >people after all use the term very loosely and even flippantly.) > >Best, > >Pat Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted March 24, 2005 Report Share Posted March 24, 2005 >If a person who has > been eating vegetarian then eats a dead animal part, that person is no > longer vegetarian but is an omnivore who sometimes eats vegetarian meals True enough. But, putting that dead animal part experience behind him, this non-vegetarian could again become vegetarian, couldn't he? I don't think any of us would have a problem with that - provided it was not something done on a regular basis (such as: 'I'm vegetarian but I eat meat when I visit my mother- in-law on Saturdays and my own parents on Sundays' - as I heard from one so-called 'vegetarian' I used to know!) Much the same applies to a vegan re animal products such as eggs, dairy, honey. That's the reason I call myself a vegetarian rather than a vegan, because my 'exceptions' to the rule, for whatever accident or reason, could conceivably become ludicrous. Best, Pat Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted March 24, 2005 Report Share Posted March 24, 2005 Anyone who makes a major life change, which, of course, includes becoming a vegetarian or vegan, falls off the wagon a few times before actually achieving their goal. For example, most recovering alcoholics drink 2 or 3 times (usually months apart) before they are able to make the life change permanent. Some go for 10 or 20 years before they fall off. Same goes for ex-smokers. The important point is that they become more determined rather continue their error. Like Doug, I'm a non-vegetarian who is in this group for two reasons: respect for the vegetarian/vegan life style AND good recipes. I think I'm the one that started the talk about the bias of the BBC article and I stand behind that. People should write about something they know something about not eating meat not being healthy is not appropriate to a supposed vegetarian favorable article. I still that the poll was biased, especially considering the very obvious bias of the author. OK, off my soap box now and back to my dogs. Lynn http://www.aardvarkzoo.org http://www.thepurplewalrus.com pengwhyn wrote: > > >>If a person who has >>been eating vegetarian then eats a dead animal part, that person is no >>longer vegetarian but is an omnivore who sometimes eats vegetarian meals >> >> > >True enough. But, putting that dead animal part experience behind him, this >non-vegetarian could again become vegetarian, couldn't he? I don't think any >of us would have a problem with that - provided it was not something done on >a regular basis (such as: 'I'm vegetarian but I eat meat when I visit my mother- >in-law on Saturdays and my own parents on Sundays' - as I heard from one >so-called 'vegetarian' I used to know!) > >Much the same applies to a vegan re animal products such as eggs, dairy, >honey. That's the reason I call myself a vegetarian rather than a vegan, >because my 'exceptions' to the rule, for whatever accident or reason, could >conceivably become ludicrous. > >Best, > >Pat > > > > > > > > Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted March 24, 2005 Report Share Posted March 24, 2005 Pat wrote: >True enough. But, putting that dead animal part experience behind him, this >non-vegetarian could again become vegetarian, couldn't he? I don't think any >of us would have a problem with that - provided it was not something done on >a regular basis (such as: 'I'm vegetarian but I eat meat when I visit my mother- >in-law on Saturdays and my own parents on Sundays' - as I heard from one >so-called 'vegetarian' I used to know!) > >Much the same applies to a vegan re animal products such as eggs, dairy, >honey. That's the reason I call myself a vegetarian rather than a vegan, >because my 'exceptions' to the rule, for whatever accident or reason, could >conceivably become ludicrous. > > Thanks for this Pat. Saved me from doing my passionate speech about this whole " who is a correct vegetarian " ...personally, I really don't care if people declassify me from the vegetarian molds because I'm only veggie, say, 95% of the time...the thing that irks me in some circles is that if you eat meat at all, you're evi or " not true to the cause " ...that's where I have the problem... It's a passionate subject, I know, so I'll just leave it at that... Gina Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted March 24, 2005 Report Share Posted March 24, 2005 > See http://www.vegparadise.com/airline.html for info and experiences about > the different airlines. Thanks a bunch, Piers! I've put that in our Links under Restaurants and Travel so that we won't lose it. Best, Pat Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted March 24, 2005 Report Share Posted March 24, 2005 > Colleen Fender asked for information about types of vegetarians. I > don't have a link, but here is some info I have collected (probably more > than you wanted!) This is useful info to have gathered together in one place, Maida - thanks very much. I think I shall place it in the Files somewhere! Best, Pat Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted March 24, 2005 Report Share Posted March 24, 2005 >Saved me from doing my passionate speech about this whole " who is a correct vegetarian " Heh heh heh. I hope we don't have to all do that dance! Everyone here will be vegetarian or vegetarian friendly, I would hope. Arguing among ourselves about how pure we are in our chosen form of vegetarianism, especially in relation to others, is not profitable. We all do what we can and we define ourselves accordingly. We just prefer - or most of us do - that, for public consumption, those who eat meat don't call themselves vegetarian - it confuses the waiters!!! Best, Pat Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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