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This today via Fidyl's SoFlaVegans list.

Best,

Pat

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Call yourself a veggie?

 

http://news.bbc.co.uk/cbbcnews/hi/vote/votes/newsid_3786000/3786941.stm

 

 

A new survey has shown loads of vegetarians in

the UK are secretly

munching on dead animals too.

 

So are you the kind of vegetarian who sneaks some

fish and chips now

and then, or maybe bacon sandwiches are too much

of a temptation.

 

Call yourself a veggie?

3864 Votes Cast

Yes 25.31%

No 53.70%

Yes, but I eat fish 9.73%

Yes, but I eat fish and poultry 5.12%

Yes, but I eat fish, poultry and red meat 6.13%

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I question the validity of this. It's on a BBC site; the article linked

to seems to be anti-vegetarian and, considering the site, there should

have been a " No, I'm not a vegetarian " choice. The linked article seems

to treat vegetarians as undernourished if they don't eat meat. How many

respondents really think of themselves as vegetarians.

 

Lynn & The Spotted Dog

 

pengwhyn wrote:

 

>This today via Fidyl's SoFlaVegans list.

>Best,

>Pat

>-----------

>

>Call yourself a veggie?

>

>http://news.bbc.co.uk/cbbcnews/hi/vote/votes/newsid_3786000/3786941.stm

>

>

>A new survey has shown loads of vegetarians in

>the UK are secretly

>munching on dead animals too.

>

>So are you the kind of vegetarian who sneaks some

>fish and chips now

>and then, or maybe bacon sandwiches are too much

>of a temptation.

>

>Call yourself a veggie?

>3864 Votes Cast

> Yes 25.31%

> No 53.70%

> Yes, but I eat fish 9.73%

> Yes, but I eat fish and poultry 5.12%

> Yes, but I eat fish, poultry and red meat 6.13%

>

>

>

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>considering the site, there should

> have been a " No, I'm not a vegetarian " choice.

 

There was. Under 'Yes' there was also a " No' before the 'Yes but I eat fish'

etc.

However, I agree that it's confusing. A nasty little poll, I thought. It said:

 

> >A new survey has shown loads of vegetarians in

> >the UK are secretly munching on dead animals too.

 

Secretly? Give me a break. Vegetarians don't eat animals. Full stop. If they do,

then they're not. (Unless, of course, by accident, for example, or under

extreme duress!)

 

This kind of poll is designed to prove to the world that everyone eats animal

flesh and that to say otherwise is to tell whopping great fibs. Not true.

 

However, I thought the 25 per cent stat was interesting. That was the UK. In

the USA (and we'll count Canada in because perhaps the stat was for all of

NA, I don't remember) the stat is supposed to be that 60 per cent of

vegetarians (also said to be 4 per cent of the population) eat animal flesh at

some time. Of course, it would be more honest to suggest that a smaller per

cent is vegetarian than to suggest that so-called vegetarians cheat. (Some

people after all use the term very loosely and even flippantly.)

 

Best,

 

Pat

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This brings to mind a question, as I am admittedly new to the veggie thing....

 

can someone direct me to a good website where I can decode all of the different

vegetarian subcategories (ovo, ovo lacto, etc)?

 

Much appreciated,

Colleen

 

pengwhyn <veggiehound wrote:

 

 

>considering the site, there should

> have been a " No, I'm not a vegetarian " choice.

 

There was. Under 'Yes' there was also a " No' before the 'Yes but I eat fish'

etc.

However, I agree that it's confusing. A nasty little poll, I thought. It said:

 

> >A new survey has shown loads of vegetarians in

> >the UK are secretly munching on dead animals too.

 

Secretly? Give me a break. Vegetarians don't eat animals. Full stop. If they do,

then they're not. (Unless, of course, by accident, for example, or under

extreme duress!)

 

This kind of poll is designed to prove to the world that everyone eats animal

flesh and that to say otherwise is to tell whopping great fibs. Not true.

 

However, I thought the 25 per cent stat was interesting. That was the UK. In

the USA (and we'll count Canada in because perhaps the stat was for all of

NA, I don't remember) the stat is supposed to be that 60 per cent of

vegetarians (also said to be 4 per cent of the population) eat animal flesh at

some time. Of course, it would be more honest to suggest that a smaller per

cent is vegetarian than to suggest that so-called vegetarians cheat. (Some

people after all use the term very loosely and even flippantly.)

 

Best,

 

Pat

 

 

 

 

 

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> This brings to mind a question, as I am admittedly new to the veggie thing....

>

> can someone direct me to a good website where I can decode all of the

different vegetarian subcategories (ovo, ovo lacto, etc)?

 

Try this:

 

http://www.ivu.org/faq/definitions.html

 

It gives all that and more.

 

vegetarian - eats no animal flesh (including meat, game, poultry, fish,

waterlife

of any sort, bugs, whatever walked, swam or crept or had a mother) - broken

down into the following categories:

 

ovo-lacto-vegetarian - eats eggs and dairy

ovo-vegetarian - eats eggs

lacto-vegetarian - eats dairy

dietary vegan - no animal products, including honey and sometimes yeast.

lifestyle vegan - neither eats nor uses animal products.

 

But check out the link - and other pages at the ivu.org - for some great info.

Also, check out Vegetarian Organizatiions and Vegetarian Resources in the

Links (at our Homepage).

 

And by all means keep asking!

 

Best,

 

Pat

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What annoys me is meat-eaters who think that vegetarians are people who crave

meat but wont eat it for masochistic reasons! Jeez... I've had people tell me to

" try just a little lamb or pork or beef " - they think it would change my eating

habits forever with that one taste. I simply dont know how to convince them that

I cant even imagine eating food that once baaed, mooed, swum, quacked, clucked,

or made any kind of noise at all...

 

Have y'all been through that sort of experience? :)

 

Shammi

 

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You bet!! I've found a simple " no thank you, I don't eat animals " is

usually enough.

 

angela

 

, " recipesonly "

<recipesonly@l...> wrote:

> What annoys me is meat-eaters who think that vegetarians are

people who crave meat but wont eat it for masochistic reasons!

>

> Have y'all been through that sort of experience? :)

>

> Shammi

>

> Lycos email has now 300 Megabytes of free storage... Get it now at

mail.lycos.co.uk

>

>

>

>

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Hi Colleen,

 

Kudos for taking the plunge into vegetarian dining!

 

Here are some definitions for you:

 

Vegetarians eat no meat, fish, fowl, or sealife, nor derivatives of those

if they have died. They often eat products made from the living animals,

however, including eggs and dairy products.

 

Ovo means eggs

Lacto means dairy

 

Vegans are a subset of vegetarians, and they eat no animal products,

including eggs, dairy, and honey.

 

These are the definitions used by vegetarian groups and magazines in

western culture. There are also fake definitions like pescovegetarian,

part-time vegetarian, etc. These are not vegetarians. If a person who has

been eating vegetarian then eats a dead animal part, that person is no

longer vegetarian but is an omnivore who sometimes eats vegetarian meals,

like most of the population.

 

Hope this helps :)

 

Sherry in Oregon (vegetarian since 1982)

 

At 09:56 AM 3/23/2005, you wrote:

 

>This brings to mind a question, as I am admittedly new to the veggie thing....

>

>can someone direct me to a good website where I can decode all of the

>different vegetarian subcategories (ovo, ovo lacto, etc)?

>

>Much appreciated,

>Colleen

>

>pengwhyn <veggiehound wrote:

>

>

> >considering the site, there should

> > have been a " No, I'm not a vegetarian " choice.

>

>There was. Under 'Yes' there was also a " No' before the 'Yes but I eat

>fish' etc.

>However, I agree that it's confusing. A nasty little poll, I thought. It said:

>

> > >A new survey has shown loads of vegetarians in

> > >the UK are secretly munching on dead animals too.

>

>Secretly? Give me a break. Vegetarians don't eat animals. Full stop. If

>they do,

>then they're not. (Unless, of course, by accident, for example, or under

>extreme duress!)

>

>This kind of poll is designed to prove to the world that everyone eats animal

>flesh and that to say otherwise is to tell whopping great fibs. Not true.

>

>However, I thought the 25 per cent stat was interesting. That was the UK. In

>the USA (and we'll count Canada in because perhaps the stat was for all of

>NA, I don't remember) the stat is supposed to be that 60 per cent of

>vegetarians (also said to be 4 per cent of the population) eat animal

>flesh at

>some time. Of course, it would be more honest to suggest that a smaller per

>cent is vegetarian than to suggest that so-called vegetarians cheat. (Some

>people after all use the term very loosely and even flippantly.)

>

>Best,

>

>Pat

 

 

 

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I took a look at the poll and did not find it that confusing. I am

not a vegetarian but I do agree that the whole tone of the article

was biased. I would tend to think, however, that the bias was more

intended to catch peoples attention and get people to read it (ie,

sell the article) than to be intentionally anti-vegetarian. I think

this is a lot like talk radio and shock jocks, etc. It is bait to

get people read and respond and thereby see their advertisers. That

said, if I were a betting person, I would lay odds that the person

who wrote it was a diehard meat eater who is probably very ignorant

of being vegetarian.

 

, " pengwhyn "

<veggiehound> wrote:

>

> This today via Fidyl's SoFlaVegans list.

> Best,

> Pat

> -----------

>

> Call yourself a veggie?

>

>

http://news.bbc.co.uk/cbbcnews/hi/vote/votes/newsid_3786000/3786941.s

tm

>

>

> A new survey has shown loads of vegetarians in

> the UK are secretly

> munching on dead animals too.

>

> So are you the kind of vegetarian who sneaks some

> fish and chips now

> and then, or maybe bacon sandwiches are too much

> of a temptation.

>

> Call yourself a veggie?

> 3864 Votes Cast

> Yes 25.31%

> No 53.70%

> Yes, but I eat fish 9.73%

> Yes, but I eat fish and poultry 5.12%

> Yes, but I eat fish, poultry and red meat 6.13%

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Thanks to all of you! You all have been so informative and helpful. What a

great group!

My husband and I are very committed to bringing our daughter up in an

envrionment and in a way that we think is right and just.

 

You are all a wonderful bunch - my hat goes off to all of you!

 

Colleen

 

Sherry Rose <sherry wrote:

 

Hi Colleen,

 

Kudos for taking the plunge into vegetarian dining!

 

Here are some definitions for you:

 

Vegetarians eat no meat, fish, fowl, or sealife, nor derivatives of those

if they have died. They often eat products made from the living animals,

however, including eggs and dairy products.

 

Ovo means eggs

Lacto means dairy

 

Vegans are a subset of vegetarians, and they eat no animal products,

including eggs, dairy, and honey.

 

These are the definitions used by vegetarian groups and magazines in

western culture. There are also fake definitions like pescovegetarian,

part-time vegetarian, etc. These are not vegetarians. If a person who has

been eating vegetarian then eats a dead animal part, that person is no

longer vegetarian but is an omnivore who sometimes eats vegetarian meals,

like most of the population.

 

Hope this helps :)

 

Sherry in Oregon (vegetarian since 1982)

 

At 09:56 AM 3/23/2005, you wrote:

 

>This brings to mind a question, as I am admittedly new to the veggie thing....

>

>can someone direct me to a good website where I can decode all of the

>different vegetarian subcategories (ovo, ovo lacto, etc)?

>

>Much appreciated,

>Colleen

>

>pengwhyn <veggiehound wrote:

>

>

> >considering the site, there should

> > have been a " No, I'm not a vegetarian " choice.

>

>There was. Under 'Yes' there was also a " No' before the 'Yes but I eat

>fish' etc.

>However, I agree that it's confusing. A nasty little poll, I thought. It said:

>

> > >A new survey has shown loads of vegetarians in

> > >the UK are secretly munching on dead animals too.

>

>Secretly? Give me a break. Vegetarians don't eat animals. Full stop. If

>they do,

>then they're not. (Unless, of course, by accident, for example, or under

>extreme duress!)

>

>This kind of poll is designed to prove to the world that everyone eats animal

>flesh and that to say otherwise is to tell whopping great fibs. Not true.

>

>However, I thought the 25 per cent stat was interesting. That was the UK. In

>the USA (and we'll count Canada in because perhaps the stat was for all of

>NA, I don't remember) the stat is supposed to be that 60 per cent of

>vegetarians (also said to be 4 per cent of the population) eat animal

>flesh at

>some time. Of course, it would be more honest to suggest that a smaller per

>cent is vegetarian than to suggest that so-called vegetarians cheat. (Some

>people after all use the term very loosely and even flippantly.)

>

>Best,

>

>Pat

 

 

 

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>If a person who has

> been eating vegetarian then eats a dead animal part, that person is no

> longer vegetarian but is an omnivore who sometimes eats vegetarian meals

 

True enough. But, putting that dead animal part experience behind him, this

non-vegetarian could again become vegetarian, couldn't he? I don't think any

of us would have a problem with that - provided it was not something done on

a regular basis (such as: 'I'm vegetarian but I eat meat when I visit my mother-

in-law on Saturdays and my own parents on Sundays' - as I heard from one

so-called 'vegetarian' I used to know!)

 

Much the same applies to a vegan re animal products such as eggs, dairy,

honey. That's the reason I call myself a vegetarian rather than a vegan,

because my 'exceptions' to the rule, for whatever accident or reason, could

conceivably become ludicrous.

 

Best,

 

Pat

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Anyone who makes a major life change, which, of course, includes

becoming a vegetarian or vegan, falls off the wagon a few times before

actually achieving their goal. For example, most recovering alcoholics

drink 2 or 3 times (usually months apart) before they are able to make

the life change permanent. Some go for 10 or 20 years before they fall

off. Same goes for ex-smokers. The important point is that they become

more determined rather continue their error.

 

Like Doug, I'm a non-vegetarian who is in this group for two reasons:

respect for the vegetarian/vegan life style AND good recipes. I think

I'm the one that started the talk about the bias of the BBC article and

I stand behind that. People should write about something they know

something about not eating meat not being healthy is not appropriate to

a supposed vegetarian favorable article. I still that the poll was

biased, especially considering the very obvious bias of the author.

 

OK, off my soap box now and back to my dogs.

 

Lynn

http://www.aardvarkzoo.org

http://www.thepurplewalrus.com

 

pengwhyn wrote:

 

>

>

>>If a person who has

>>been eating vegetarian then eats a dead animal part, that person is no

>>longer vegetarian but is an omnivore who sometimes eats vegetarian meals

>>

>>

>

>True enough. But, putting that dead animal part experience behind him, this

>non-vegetarian could again become vegetarian, couldn't he? I don't think any

>of us would have a problem with that - provided it was not something done on

>a regular basis (such as: 'I'm vegetarian but I eat meat when I visit my

mother-

>in-law on Saturdays and my own parents on Sundays' - as I heard from one

>so-called 'vegetarian' I used to know!)

>

>Much the same applies to a vegan re animal products such as eggs, dairy,

>honey. That's the reason I call myself a vegetarian rather than a vegan,

>because my 'exceptions' to the rule, for whatever accident or reason, could

>conceivably become ludicrous.

>

>Best,

>

>Pat

>

>

>

>

>

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>

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Pat wrote:

 

>True enough. But, putting that dead animal part experience behind him, this

>non-vegetarian could again become vegetarian, couldn't he? I don't think any

>of us would have a problem with that - provided it was not something done on

>a regular basis (such as: 'I'm vegetarian but I eat meat when I visit my

mother-

>in-law on Saturdays and my own parents on Sundays' - as I heard from one

>so-called 'vegetarian' I used to know!)

>

>Much the same applies to a vegan re animal products such as eggs, dairy,

>honey. That's the reason I call myself a vegetarian rather than a vegan,

>because my 'exceptions' to the rule, for whatever accident or reason, could

>conceivably become ludicrous.

>

>

Thanks for this Pat. Saved me from doing my passionate speech about this

whole " who is a correct vegetarian " ...personally, I really don't care if

people declassify me from the vegetarian molds because I'm only veggie,

say, 95% of the time...the thing that irks me in some circles is that if

you eat meat at all, you're evi or " not true to the cause " ...that's

where I have the problem...

 

It's a passionate subject, I know, so I'll just leave it at that...

 

Gina

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> Colleen Fender asked for information about types of vegetarians. I

> don't have a link, but here is some info I have collected (probably more

> than you wanted!)

 

This is useful info to have gathered together in one place, Maida - thanks very

much. I think I shall place it in the Files somewhere!

 

Best,

 

Pat

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>Saved me from doing my passionate speech about this whole " who is a

correct vegetarian "

 

Heh heh heh. I hope we don't have to all do that dance! Everyone here will

be vegetarian or vegetarian friendly, I would hope. Arguing among ourselves

about how pure we are in our chosen form of vegetarianism, especially in

relation to others, is not profitable. We all do what we can and we define

ourselves accordingly. We just prefer - or most of us do - that, for public

consumption, those who eat meat don't call themselves vegetarian - it

confuses the waiters!!!

 

Best, Pat

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