Guest guest Posted September 14, 2005 Report Share Posted September 14, 2005 I'm lacto-ovo veg so I do use honey. I was just providing information. My wife is omnivorous so it would be difficult for me to be vegan (actually we have a few issues about being veg but . . .) Relative to a strict definition of vegan I think it is without honey but I don't think anyone out there is enforcing the exact definition. Each to their own. Big difficulty with labelling. Even for vegetarian labelling is at times questionable. Only way to be moderately sure is living off the land and preparing all your own food, housing, clothing, etc. That is a bit difficult but not impossible, I guess. Of course, most houses are made with non-vegetarian materials (the wall boards/gypsum boards/drywall use a glue which contains animal blood) http://www.ethicdiscussion.com/discuss/index.php?showtopic=6621 <http://www.ethicdiscussion.com/discuss/index.php?showtopic=6621> " Plastic and rubber, for example, are made using fatty acids which come from animal and vegetable fats. " " Animal products are used to make the plywood and drywall used in buildings and in the insulation that keeps them warm. Refrigerators and air conditioners use freon, a cooling agent that contains a derivative from animal fat. " The animal industries point is to make use of every part of the animal they can. Unfortunately for people who try to be vegetarian or vegan is that those animal parts are used in a tremendous number of products that are in one's daily life. It's easy to say one won't wear a fur coat or a leather jacket. It's harder to say your house is made using no animal products whatsoever. Gary --- Yankee Dyke <yankeedyke wrote: > On 9/14/05, pengwhyn <veggiehound wrote: > > > > Those who disagree are entitled to their > > opinion, but this very ethical stance > > on the part of lifestyle vegans cannot be > > shurgged off. And this is why when we mark > > something Vegan in our Files we make sure > > that it does not contain honey any more > > than it does egg or dairy. Other dishes, > > ovo or lacto or ovo-lacto, may contain > > honey or not. Those who call themselves > > Vegan but feel that they can consume honey > > are always welcome to add it to their own > > dishes in their own kitchen. > > thanks Gary and Pat for the explainations. I > respectfully disagree (as you probably > figured Pat *grin*), but I'm glad you guys > gave me the information. > > So, this must be an issue for some prepared > foods that call themselves vegan, but use > honey, eh? > Gina Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted September 14, 2005 Report Share Posted September 14, 2005 , Gary Mattingly <gsmattingly> wrote: > Big difficulty with labelling. Even for > vegetarian labelling is at times questionable. > Only way to be moderately sure is living > off the land and preparing all your own food, > housing, clothing, etc. This is huge, Gary. And very discouraging if one thinks about it too much. I guess we all do the best we can, eh? Thanks for your kind and sane words of wisdom. Best love, Pat Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted September 14, 2005 Report Share Posted September 14, 2005 On 9/14/05, Gary Mattingly <gsmattingly wrote: > > I'm lacto-ovo veg so I do use honey. > I was just providing information. My wife > is omnivorous so it would be difficult for > me to be vegan (actually we have a few > issues about being veg but . . .) Oh, I know, and thanks for the info! Relative to a strict definition of vegan > I think it is without honey but I don't > think anyone out there is enforcing the > exact definition. Each to their own. Well, not on this list anyway...I have been in situations where I have been told that veganism is **the only** true way to be vegetarian...but honestly, you find that in any passionate cause, you know? Big difficulty with labelling. Even for > vegetarian labelling is at times questionable. > Only way to be moderately sure is living > off the land and preparing all your own food, > housing, clothing, etc. *nod* I've acctually known people who do just that. I admire them, but I'm not sure I could do it myself...although, the idea of living off the grid like that seems like a fabulous idea... Gina Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted September 14, 2005 Report Share Posted September 14, 2005 Great informations as usual, Gary. Thank you. That is kind of creepy about having animal blood protecting us from Mother Nature. As sad as this is to say (and not that I agree with killing animals) - I've always thought that if you are going to kill an animal at the very least make every part of it useful in some fashion. I've always known about the gelatin in products (elmers glue?) and rennin for cheeses and I believe animal fats in soaps and such. I didn't realize it went to this extent with housing and such. Now I'm starting to re-think my statement, LOL. On 9/14/05, Gary Mattingly wrote: > > I'm lacto-ovo veg so I do use honey. > I was just providing information. My wife > is omnivorous so it would be difficult for > me to be vegan (actually we have a few > issues about being veg but . . .) > > Relative to a strict definition of vegan > I think it is without honey but I don't > think anyone out there is enforcing the > exact definition. Each to their own. > > Big difficulty with labelling. Even for > vegetarian labelling is at times questionable. > Only way to be moderately sure is living > off the land and preparing all your own food, > housing, clothing, etc. > > That is a bit difficult but not impossible, > I guess. Of course, most houses are made > with non-vegetarian materials (the wall > boards/gypsum boards/drywall use a glue > which contains animal blood) > > http://www.ethicdiscussion.com/discuss/index.php?showtopic=6621 > <http://www.ethicdiscussion.com/discuss/index.php?showtopic=6621> > " Plastic and rubber, for example, are made > using fatty acids which come from animal > and vegetable fats. " > > " Animal products are used to make the > plywood and drywall used in buildings and > in the insulation that keeps them warm. > Refrigerators and air conditioners use > freon, a cooling agent that contains a > derivative from animal fat. " > > The animal industries point is to make > use of every part of the animal they can. > Unfortunately for people who try to be > vegetarian or vegan is that those animal > parts are used in a tremendous number of > products that are in one's daily life. > It's easy to say one won't wear a fur > coat or a leather jacket. It's harder > to say your house is made using no > animal products whatsoever. > > Gary > > Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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