Honey and Veganism / was Recipe - Herbed cheese bread

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On 9/14/05, pengwhyn <veggiehound wrote:

>

> Those who disagree are entitled to their opinion, but this very ethical

> stance

> on the part of lifestyle vegans cannot be shurgged off. And this is why

> when

> we mark something Vegan in our Files we make sure that it does not contain

> honey any more than it does egg or dairy. Other dishes, ovo or lacto or

> ovo-

> lacto, may contain honey or not. Those who call themselves Vegan but feel

> that they can consume honey are always welcome to add it to their own

> dishes in their own kitchen.

 

thanks Gary and Pat for the explainations. I respectfully disagree (as you

probably figured Pat *grin*), but I'm glad you guys gave me the information.

 

So, this must be an issue for some prepared foods that call themselves

vegan, but use honey, eh?

Gina

 

 

 

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Gina wrote:

 

> thanks Gary and Pat for the explanations. I respectfully disagree (as you

> probably figured Pat *grin*), but I'm glad you guys gave me the

information.

 

I'm amazed at the time that can be spent on these lists discussing about the

meaning of the various terms, " vegetarian " , " vegan " etc. considering that

this is something that can be looked up in a book or other reliable source.

It would make communication very difficult if we had to redefine our terms

for each new person that came on the list.

 

Piers

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Answering my own email, I can't believe I wrote pollen when I meant nectar.

Sorry. No reflection on previous posts - just put it down to moderator stupidity

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mine!

 

And now I'll read the posts following :=)

Best, Pat

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> thanks Gary and Pat for the explainations. I respectfully disagree (as you

> probably figured Pat *grin*), but I'm glad you guys gave me the information.

 

Hi Gina.

 

's'okay <grin> - you are free to disagree. But are you disagreeing with the

reason vegans don't eat honey cuz it's from animals or disagreeing that bees

are hurt or exploited or are disagreeing with the definition that vegans don't

eat animal products including honey, or disagreeing with ??? Oh hey, never

mind. What you mean is you think honey's okay. And so be it for you. Right?

Right!

 

> So, this must be an issue for some prepared foods that call themselves

> vegan, but use honey, eh?

 

Yeah, it can be a real pain the the bum. But hey what isn't in the commercial

world out there?! It's like finding soy cheese with casein - bummer!

Best love, Pat

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Hi Piers,

 

You say:

 

> I'm amazed at the time that can be spent on these lists discussing about the

> meaning of the various terms, " vegetarian " , " vegan " etc. considering that

> this is something that can be looked up in a book or other reliable source.

 

Amen to that, my dear friend! (Piers, for those who may not know, is co-owner

with me on one of my other lists - and we have just been through a very very

trying time trying (hah!) to explain why [something that shall be unspoken

here] isn't vegetarian let alone vegan!)

 

> It would make communication very difficult if we had to redefine our terms

> for each new person that came on the list.

 

Amen to that also. Sometimes, however, it is not so much new members, who

are quite correctly reading their files, checking the Links etc., but older

long-

established members who are perhaps re-thinking their positions on

something Nice to hear from them, anyway!

 

I apologize, Piers, for my part in this discussion - but sometimes it's needed.

Perhaps you can skip the Honey and Veganism subject lines - as indeed

many of our other members are already doing? And hey, it's really good to

hear from you. I remember some good Indonesian recipes from your repertoir.

Have you got perhaps more????

 

Best love,

 

Pat

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On 9/14/05, pengwhyn <veggiehound wrote:

>

>

> > thanks Gary and Pat for the explainations. I respectfully disagree (as

> you

> > probably figured Pat *grin*), but I'm glad you guys gave me the

> information.

>

> Hi Gina.

>

> 's'okay <grin> - you are free to disagree. But are you disagreeing with

> the

> reason vegans don't eat honey cuz it's from animals or disagreeing that

> bees

> are hurt or exploited or are disagreeing with the definition that vegans

> don't

> eat animal products including honey, or disagreeing with ??? Oh hey, never

> mind. What you mean is you think honey's okay. And so be it for you.

> Right?

> Right!

 

Exactamundo! For me, I figure if bears and other animals eat it (and

probably causing just as much harm to the hive as a beekeeper) then it's all

good.

 

> So, this must be an issue for some prepared foods that call themselves

> > vegan, but use honey, eh?

>

> Yeah, it can be a real pain the the bum. But hey what isn't in the

> commercial

> world out there?! It's like finding soy cheese with casein - bummer!

 

That would defeat the purpose of soy cheese in the first place, wouldn't

it?

 

 

 

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> Exactamundo! For me, I figure if bears and other animals eat it (and

> probably causing just as much harm to the hive as a beekeeper) then it's all

> good.

 

Well, some animals eat other animals too, but we don't need to and

vegetarians don't , so . . . But that's perhaps a different argument . . .

Except

that this is a veggie list LOL

 

> It's like finding soy cheese with casein - bummer!

>

> That would defeat the purpose of soy cheese in the first place, wouldn't

> it?

 

Only if you think soy cheese is marketed for vegans. It's used by some people

who are concerned with their cholesterol count - but don't therefore mind the

casein. It's also used by vegetarians who want to avoid the animal rennet in

some dairy cheeses.

 

Best, Pat

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Good morning

 

Pat wrote

 

" I remember some good Indonesian recipes from your repertoir.

Have you got perhaps more???? "

 

 

I emphatically second that! I am trying to figure out what to cook this

weekend and the sounds of those delicious foods are making my mouth water.

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Kirk wrote:

 

> I emphatically second that! I am trying to figure out what to cook this

> weekend and the sounds of those delicious foods are making my mouth water.

 

Hi Kirk,

 

Yes I was sensitive to Pat's request and had been wondering how best to

respond. The usual problem is that we use lots of ingredients that are

easily available here (Netherlands) but may be scarce or even unknown in

some other countries.

 

Whilst I continue to wonder, there was a site of Indonesian vegetarian

recipes which is now deleted but is accessible via the web archive feature.

We decided not to include it in the list of links because it is not being

maintained any more and the archiver is completely at liberty to delete it

at any moment - anyway I quote the URL for anyone interested:

http://web.archive.org/web/20010309074900/people.a2000.nl/pclaydon/kitchen.html

 

Thank you for your interest - Piers

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>The usual problem is that we use lots of ingredients that are

> easily available here (Netherlands) but may be scarce or even unknown in

> some other countries.

 

Well that's true of a lot ot things on a list with members from around the

world,

isn't it LOL So annoying that we don't all shop at the same supermarket,

greengrocer, spice shop, market, etc! And some of those ingredients can be

really exotic! However, perhaps others may have simplified versions of

Indonesian recipes?

 

As for the website mentioned, I did put it up in the Links, as mentioned, and

took it down at your request (a pity, I thought - but we try to please our

members!). I am going to put it up there again (in Vegetarian Recipes folder)

with the promise that I (or of course Brandy or Maida) will check it, along with

other links, now and then and remove it if it no longer is a working link.

Maintained or not, this is a valuable archive - yeah! Thanks a bunch!!

 

Best love,

 

Pat

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Piers,

 

Looking at your webpage of Indonesian specialities, I am particularly taken

with the idea of a veggie rendang! I don't want to eat meat - really don't - but

I

do remember the wonderful taste of a rendang and am thrilled that you have a

veggie version.

 

Blessings!

 

Pat

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Pat wrote:

 

> Looking at your webpage of Indonesian specialities, I am particularly

taken

> with the idea of a veggie rendang! I don't want to eat meat - really

don't - but I

> do remember the wonderful taste of a rendang and am thrilled that you have

a

> veggie version.

 

Yes there's something about a rendang isn't there - I remember being tempted

by someone's rendang but it got me into a lot of trouble when I got home ;-)

I don't dare even to look at that recipe! Piers