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Laura said...

>>Dave, nice to meet you! I would love to hear about your experiences

over the years being vegetarian and if you have any pointers for a

newbie. I agree that everyone has to make their OWN choices.<<

 

Hi, Laura,

 

During college and for several years afterwards (a total of 10 all

together), I tried for stop eating meat, but peer pressure, lack of being

able to cook very well, and the general unavailability of veggie foods while

dining out except for the usual salad caused me to slip back repeatedly to

the burger and fries standby menu I was accustom to eating. Finally, during

one of my grad school classes, I attended an evening lecture which included

an experiential exercise at the end.

 

As strange as it sounds, I became veggie because of attending that single

lecture. Actually two others besides me also gave up eating meat that

night.

 

In the beginning, all my meals needed to be prepared at home unless I was

willing to pay twice the price of a restaurant meal because each item

usually needed to be ordered ala carte. I remember making tofu burgers from

scratch and for the first couple of months they (and most of what I cooked)

tasted really terrible. Eventually, I got the ingredients set right for my

taste and figured our how to not undercook them or create uneatable

paperweights.

 

Over time, I discovered several vegetarian magazines, and within a year of

using their recipes, the quality of my cooking surprised even me. By the

mid-80s, I had located most of the local resources I needed to prepare

gourmet food at home and also to have a pretty nice meal away from home.

Life was good or at least so I thought.

 

Since my choice of being veggie was for ethical reasons, I decided to not

have any meat or meat related products in my house. Little did I know of

the storm that one choice would bring. Well, I can't get into that now, but

maybe I'll continue the story later.

 

As a newbie, Laura, what challenges you the most?

 

Dave

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three words " the uncheese cookbook " :-)

 

author: joann stepaniak

 

Megan

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And for whomever

commented that they simply cannot live without cheese... I understand!

I'm fine without the milk thing, but queso and pizza and.... BUT, after

you get sick several times off of milk based products, the cravings go

down dramatically!

 

 

 

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not laura, but I'll tell you that my biggest challenge is me: a

single mother of three with no time and no ability to cook! also,

since most people here agree that " cream of chicken soup doesn't

REALLY have any meat in it, " it's difficult to not be (can't think of

the word, apparently my mental functions are challenging me as well!)

-dawn

, " daveo " <daveo@m...> wrote:

>

> Laura said...

> >>Dave, nice to meet you! I would love to hear about your

experiences

> over the years being vegetarian and if you have any pointers for a

> newbie. I agree that everyone has to make their OWN choices.<<

>

> Hi, Laura,

>

> During college and for several years afterwards (a total of 10 all

> together), I tried for stop eating meat, but peer pressure, lack of

being

> able to cook very well, and the general unavailability of veggie

foods while

> dining out except for the usual salad caused me to slip back

repeatedly to

> the burger and fries standby menu I was accustom to eating.

Finally, during

> one of my grad school classes, I attended an evening lecture which

included

> an experiential exercise at the end.

>

> As strange as it sounds, I became veggie because of attending that

single

> lecture. Actually two others besides me also gave up eating meat

that

> night.

>

> In the beginning, all my meals needed to be prepared at home unless

I was

> willing to pay twice the price of a restaurant meal because each

item

> usually needed to be ordered ala carte. I remember making tofu

burgers from

> scratch and for the first couple of months they (and most of what I

cooked)

> tasted really terrible. Eventually, I got the ingredients set

right for my

> taste and figured our how to not undercook them or create uneatable

> paperweights.

>

> Over time, I discovered several vegetarian magazines, and within a

year of

> using their recipes, the quality of my cooking surprised even me.

By the

> mid-80s, I had located most of the local resources I needed to

prepare

> gourmet food at home and also to have a pretty nice meal away from

home.

> Life was good or at least so I thought.

>

> Since my choice of being veggie was for ethical reasons, I decided

to not

> have any meat or meat related products in my house. Little did I

know of

> the storm that one choice would bring. Well, I can't get into that

now, but

> maybe I'll continue the story later.

>

> As a newbie, Laura, what challenges you the most?

>

> Dave

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, " daveo " <daveo@m...> wrote:

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>As a newbie Laura what challenges you the most?:

 

Hey, Dave!

Sorry it took me so long to respond. I am not on line every day.

Eating a vegetarian diet is not as challenging as eating a healthy

diet....and that is my biggest downfall.

 

Sweets are my enemy! I am healthy, but I am overweight. Although I

know that exercise and eating right are the key, I crave the foods

that make me gain weight. In a vegetarian diet sugar, cheese, milk,

eggs etc are all allowed and a lot of the recipes contain cheese, so

I am learning to go the low-fat route when eating the things that I

like. I know that refined sugar is bad for me also, so I am trying

to cut back on this also. For a chocolate fix I am drinking Silk

chocolate soy milk which is great! I can't see myself going strictly

Vegan, but I want to definately eat less of the fattening stuff.

 

Another challenge would be that my other family members are not

vegetarian and I still have to cook for them, so this means different

meals sometimes. I make a large pot of vegetarian chili in the

beginning of the week and have the beans with the vegs I make. I find

that I enjoy beans and rice more than feel the need for meat

replacement. My children have not been raised vegetarian and although

I am making some changes in my household, I can't expect them to

adopt my way of eating overnight or really ever. I can expose and

educate them to the different ways of eating, but at their age,

(10+14), they will have to choose for themselves.

 

Thank you for sharing.

BB. Laura

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whisperwind5 <whisperwind5 [whisperwind5]

Saturday, January 04, 2003 8:39 AM

 

Re: Vegan

 

, " daveo " wrote:

>As a newbie Laura what challenges you the most?:

 

>>Another challenge would be that my other family members are

not Vegetarian...so this means different meals sometimes...I

can expose and educate them [my kids] to the different ways of

eating, but...they will have to choose for themselves.<<

 

IMHO, this is the single biggest problem veggies face and why they leave to

resume eating a meat diet. Without support for your diet choices, just like

many other choices we make in our lives, we will eventually feel invalidated

by the fact we're alone in that choice.

 

My better friends over the years have been those who were more tolerant of

our personal differences. And, I hope it's no surprise to the group that a

few veggies can also be quite intolerant. In one sense, I'm describing

myself because I've made my home a meat-free zone.

 

As a result, some members of my family will not attend dinners at my home

because they cannot have meat. It's painful for me, but there are some

values which I don't believe ought to be compromised.

 

This is another factor for why I believe veggies ought to be only in

relationships with other veggies. During my 20+ years of no-meat, I've

tried it both ways. Getting the diet issue out of the way, makes the other

bumpy issues (as Dawn so elequently expressed it) much easier to handle.

 

Dave

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In a message dated 3/19/03 8:59:45 AM Pacific Standard Time, jason writes:

 

I'm sorry, but this is driving me crazy. The word is "what". It's an extra

letter!

i see..mess with my accent....

terrorist

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> wot are you thinkin about?

> narrow it down a bit..wot does the person like, wot sort of food, style,

> tastes??

 

I'm sorry, but this is driving me crazy. The word is " what " . It's an extra

letter!

 

 

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Jason M. Abels

http://jason.abels.us/

There is sweetness there, and darkness too. Death walks in the bright

lights, but love hides in the shadows.

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Hi Jason

 

Y'know, we could all get fussy about this sort of thing. For instance....

 

> I'm sorry,

 

The phrase is " I am " - it's only one extra letter.

 

> but this is driving me crazy. The word is " what " . It's

 

Again, you should be using " It is " .

 

Alternatively, we could just use this facility as a chat list. I'm sure

there are plenty of e-mail groups where you can discuss the ins and outs of

English grammar, if that's really so important to you! ;-)

 

BB

Peter

 

 

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Hay - don't pick on our Fraggle!

 

Jo

 

> I'm sorry, but this is driving me crazy. The word is " what " . It's an extra

> letter!

 

 

 

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Hi fraggle - Tak no notiss - we luv yor accent. :-)

 

Jo

 

I'm sorry, but this is driving me crazy. The word is "what". It's an extraletter!i see..mess with my accent....terrorist:)

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Jase--that's just the way Fraggle writes. I kinda give him a pass 'cause

he's pretty cool.

 

Danielle

 

 

----Original Message Follows----

" Jason M. Abels " <jason

 

 

Re: Vegan

Wed, 19 Mar 2003 11:47:18 -0500 (EST)

 

 

> wot are you thinkin about?

> narrow it down a bit..wot does the person like, wot sort of food, style,

> tastes??

 

I'm sorry, but this is driving me crazy. The word is " what " . It's an extra

letter!

 

 

--

Jason M. Abels

http://jason.abels.us/

There is sweetness there, and darkness too. Death walks in the bright

lights, but love hides in the shadows.

 

 

 

 

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Since when is skepticism un-American?

Dissent's not treason but they talk like it's the same

Those who disagree are afraid to show their face " --Sleater-Kinney

 

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Hi Ja

 

The easiest Vegan meal I know is pasta - instead of meat sauce, press

some garlic into melted soy butter and olive oil. Make garlic bread

with soy butter. Depending on the pasta you use, top it with steamed

brocolli.

 

Quick, easy and delicious.

 

nikki :)

The language of truth is unadorned and always simple.

Marcellinus Ammianus

 

 

, " imlosthelpme2003 "

<imlosthelpme2003> wrote:

> Hi I really want to cook my friend who's vegan a meal and i havn't

> the first clue about what to do, can anyone sugest an easy, but

very

> nice and romantic meal???

>

> Thanks alot,

>

> Ja

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Hi Jason

 

Fraggle knows how to spell, is simply his style

 

can't condemn someone fer being themselves

 

nikki :)

Don't let the little things get to you

 

, " Jason M. Abels " <jason@j...>

wrote:

>

> > wot are you thinkin about?

> > narrow it down a bit..wot does the person like, wot sort of food,

style,

> > tastes??

>

> I'm sorry, but this is driving me crazy. The word is " what " . It's

an extra

> letter!

>

>

> --

> Jason M. Abels

> http://jason.abels.us/

> There is sweetness there, and darkness too. Death walks in the

bright

> lights, but love hides in the shadows.

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I was kinda stumped until I realize it's not really the meal, the food served, but the atmosphere. But for dessert, you could serve soy ice cream with lots of berries and AhLaska chocolate syrup on top. If you can find it, there's Hip Whip, and you can have a vegan sundae!

Danielle

 

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----Original Message Follows---- "nikki_mackovitch"

Re: Vegan Thu, 20 Mar 2003 11:50:31 -0000

Hi Ja

The easiest Vegan meal I know is pasta - instead of meat sauce, press some garlic into melted soy butter and olive oil. Make garlic bread with soy butter. Depending on the pasta you use, top it with steamed brocolli.

Quick, easy and delicious.

nikki :) The language of truth is unadorned and always simple. Marcellinus Ammianus

 

, "imlosthelpme2003" wrote: > Hi I really want to cook my friend who's vegan a meal and i havn't > the first clue about what to do, can anyone sugest an easy, but very > nice and romantic meal??? > > Thanks alot, > > Ja

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Hi Peter H

 

I am interested in your replies, but you have not left connections to the

original statements - help me out:-)

 

Jo

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Saturday, March 22, 2003 3:13 PM

Re: Vegan

 

 

>

> wELL SAID, SOME PEOPLE HAVE TOO MUCH TIME TOO LITTLE TO DO!

> >

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> Peter H

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Just so that I don't accidently make anyone think I'm *really* trying to

impersonate Peter; this is Ian, trying to route around some damage.

Thank you :).

 

heartwerk wrote:

>

> Ian

>

> I felt Andrew's attitude to be aggressive towards people who share

> their lives with meat-eaters.

 

Personally, I'd rank it as hostile, but not aggressive. But that's

beside the point. If the moderators deem it too impolite for this list,

then that's all well and good, and entirely reasonable.

 

> Of course people have their own

> opinions, but I do not wish members of the group to offend each

> other, and I felt that Peter's (Valley Vegan) reply was in response

> to an email which he found offensive.

 

I humbly suggest that the right response would have been to politely let

Andrew know he was being too impolite for this list.

 

And that being much *less* polite than Andrew actually implied to

everyone that being personally insulting was okay on this list.

 

> You say that you do not really know Peter well, but you are one of

> our long-term members, and are fully aware of the style of

> moderation.

 

This is what I wrote before Peter's post:

I know you try to keep things polite. I don't really know whether Peter

(and the other moderators) apply that to themselves. I don't know what

the link between Peter & yourself is, for example. I hope you do. I

guess I'll find out :).

 

Added after Peter's post:

Apparently, I forgot what Peter is like. Remember Peter, it's much

easier to keep people civil if you set a good example. Of course, I'm

probably on moderation already.

 

Finally, after Peter confirmed he'd put me on moderation:

You just spent a moderator post making a massively personal attack,

after putting the people you attacked (probably including Andrew also)

on moderation so that they can't answer back. Come on, Peter; this list

is strong enough, and you're strong enough, for people to politely

disagree with you, even on moderator decisions, and even when you're out

of order ... without you needing to throw your weight around.

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To all list members

 

Again, sending via Jo's e-mail as I do not have immediate access to my own.

 

I would just like to advise that Ian's use of my e-mail address for his

personal vendetta is utterly unacceptable, and illegal. I will be seeking

legal advice, and will not put up with anyone fraudulently using me identity

(even if they state that they are not me).

 

I apologise for the trouble that Ian is causing to the list, and will

hopefully have this all sorted out as soon as possible.

 

Peter

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Hi Caroline,

 

A vegan is someone who does not eat anything that came from an

animal/bird/etc So this means no eggs, cheese, etc. I am an ovo-lacto

vegetarian, which means while I don't eat meat, I do have eggs, milk,

and cheese.

 

Here's one of many articles about the different types of vegetarians:

 

http://vegetarian.about.com/od/vegetarianvegan101/f/faq_vegtypes.htm

 

Take care,

 

Cathrine

 

Caroline Lafontaine wrote:

 

>Allo, New to this world....Can someone tell me what a vegan is?

>

>Thank you,

>

>Caroline

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Thanks for the clarification Cathrine.

Caroline

 

Cathrine Qua <cathrineq wrote:

Hi Caroline,

 

A vegan is someone who does not eat anything that came from an

animal/bird/etc So this means no eggs, cheese, etc. I am an ovo-lacto

vegetarian, which means while I don't eat meat, I do have eggs, milk,

and cheese.

 

Here's one of many articles about the different types of vegetarians:

 

http://vegetarian.about.com/od/vegetarianvegan101/f/faq_vegtypes.htm

 

Take care,

 

Cathrine

 

Caroline Lafontaine wrote:

 

>Allo, New to this world....Can someone tell me what a vegan is?

>

>Thank you,

>

>Caroline

 

 

 

 

 

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