Guest guest Posted January 1, 2003 Report Share Posted January 1, 2003 Laura said... >>Dave, nice to meet you! I would love to hear about your experiences over the years being vegetarian and if you have any pointers for a newbie. I agree that everyone has to make their OWN choices.<< Hi, Laura, During college and for several years afterwards (a total of 10 all together), I tried for stop eating meat, but peer pressure, lack of being able to cook very well, and the general unavailability of veggie foods while dining out except for the usual salad caused me to slip back repeatedly to the burger and fries standby menu I was accustom to eating. Finally, during one of my grad school classes, I attended an evening lecture which included an experiential exercise at the end. As strange as it sounds, I became veggie because of attending that single lecture. Actually two others besides me also gave up eating meat that night. In the beginning, all my meals needed to be prepared at home unless I was willing to pay twice the price of a restaurant meal because each item usually needed to be ordered ala carte. I remember making tofu burgers from scratch and for the first couple of months they (and most of what I cooked) tasted really terrible. Eventually, I got the ingredients set right for my taste and figured our how to not undercook them or create uneatable paperweights. Over time, I discovered several vegetarian magazines, and within a year of using their recipes, the quality of my cooking surprised even me. By the mid-80s, I had located most of the local resources I needed to prepare gourmet food at home and also to have a pretty nice meal away from home. Life was good or at least so I thought. Since my choice of being veggie was for ethical reasons, I decided to not have any meat or meat related products in my house. Little did I know of the storm that one choice would bring. Well, I can't get into that now, but maybe I'll continue the story later. As a newbie, Laura, what challenges you the most? Dave Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted January 1, 2003 Report Share Posted January 1, 2003 three words " the uncheese cookbook " :-) author: joann stepaniak Megan - And for whomever commented that they simply cannot live without cheese... I understand! I'm fine without the milk thing, but queso and pizza and.... BUT, after you get sick several times off of milk based products, the cravings go down dramatically! Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted January 1, 2003 Report Share Posted January 1, 2003 not laura, but I'll tell you that my biggest challenge is me: a single mother of three with no time and no ability to cook! also, since most people here agree that " cream of chicken soup doesn't REALLY have any meat in it, " it's difficult to not be (can't think of the word, apparently my mental functions are challenging me as well!) -dawn , " daveo " <daveo@m...> wrote: > > Laura said... > >>Dave, nice to meet you! I would love to hear about your experiences > over the years being vegetarian and if you have any pointers for a > newbie. I agree that everyone has to make their OWN choices.<< > > Hi, Laura, > > During college and for several years afterwards (a total of 10 all > together), I tried for stop eating meat, but peer pressure, lack of being > able to cook very well, and the general unavailability of veggie foods while > dining out except for the usual salad caused me to slip back repeatedly to > the burger and fries standby menu I was accustom to eating. Finally, during > one of my grad school classes, I attended an evening lecture which included > an experiential exercise at the end. > > As strange as it sounds, I became veggie because of attending that single > lecture. Actually two others besides me also gave up eating meat that > night. > > In the beginning, all my meals needed to be prepared at home unless I was > willing to pay twice the price of a restaurant meal because each item > usually needed to be ordered ala carte. I remember making tofu burgers from > scratch and for the first couple of months they (and most of what I cooked) > tasted really terrible. Eventually, I got the ingredients set right for my > taste and figured our how to not undercook them or create uneatable > paperweights. > > Over time, I discovered several vegetarian magazines, and within a year of > using their recipes, the quality of my cooking surprised even me. By the > mid-80s, I had located most of the local resources I needed to prepare > gourmet food at home and also to have a pretty nice meal away from home. > Life was good or at least so I thought. > > Since my choice of being veggie was for ethical reasons, I decided to not > have any meat or meat related products in my house. Little did I know of > the storm that one choice would bring. Well, I can't get into that now, but > maybe I'll continue the story later. > > As a newbie, Laura, what challenges you the most? > > Dave Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted January 4, 2003 Report Share Posted January 4, 2003 , " daveo " <daveo@m...> wrote: > >As a newbie Laura what challenges you the most?: Hey, Dave! Sorry it took me so long to respond. I am not on line every day. Eating a vegetarian diet is not as challenging as eating a healthy diet....and that is my biggest downfall. Sweets are my enemy! I am healthy, but I am overweight. Although I know that exercise and eating right are the key, I crave the foods that make me gain weight. In a vegetarian diet sugar, cheese, milk, eggs etc are all allowed and a lot of the recipes contain cheese, so I am learning to go the low-fat route when eating the things that I like. I know that refined sugar is bad for me also, so I am trying to cut back on this also. For a chocolate fix I am drinking Silk chocolate soy milk which is great! I can't see myself going strictly Vegan, but I want to definately eat less of the fattening stuff. Another challenge would be that my other family members are not vegetarian and I still have to cook for them, so this means different meals sometimes. I make a large pot of vegetarian chili in the beginning of the week and have the beans with the vegs I make. I find that I enjoy beans and rice more than feel the need for meat replacement. My children have not been raised vegetarian and although I am making some changes in my household, I can't expect them to adopt my way of eating overnight or really ever. I can expose and educate them to the different ways of eating, but at their age, (10+14), they will have to choose for themselves. Thank you for sharing. BB. Laura Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted January 5, 2003 Report Share Posted January 5, 2003 whisperwind5 <whisperwind5 [whisperwind5] Saturday, January 04, 2003 8:39 AM Re: Vegan , " daveo " wrote: >As a newbie Laura what challenges you the most?: >>Another challenge would be that my other family members are not Vegetarian...so this means different meals sometimes...I can expose and educate them [my kids] to the different ways of eating, but...they will have to choose for themselves.<< IMHO, this is the single biggest problem veggies face and why they leave to resume eating a meat diet. Without support for your diet choices, just like many other choices we make in our lives, we will eventually feel invalidated by the fact we're alone in that choice. My better friends over the years have been those who were more tolerant of our personal differences. And, I hope it's no surprise to the group that a few veggies can also be quite intolerant. In one sense, I'm describing myself because I've made my home a meat-free zone. As a result, some members of my family will not attend dinners at my home because they cannot have meat. It's painful for me, but there are some values which I don't believe ought to be compromised. This is another factor for why I believe veggies ought to be only in relationships with other veggies. During my 20+ years of no-meat, I've tried it both ways. Getting the diet issue out of the way, makes the other bumpy issues (as Dawn so elequently expressed it) much easier to handle. Dave Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted March 19, 2003 Report Share Posted March 19, 2003 wot are you thinkin about? narrow it down a bit..wot does the person like, wot sort of food, style, tastes?? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted March 19, 2003 Report Share Posted March 19, 2003 In a message dated 3/19/03 8:59:45 AM Pacific Standard Time, jason writes: I'm sorry, but this is driving me crazy. The word is "what". It's an extra letter! i see..mess with my accent.... terrorist Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted March 19, 2003 Report Share Posted March 19, 2003 > wot are you thinkin about? > narrow it down a bit..wot does the person like, wot sort of food, style, > tastes?? I'm sorry, but this is driving me crazy. The word is " what " . It's an extra letter! -- Jason M. Abels http://jason.abels.us/ There is sweetness there, and darkness too. Death walks in the bright lights, but love hides in the shadows. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted March 19, 2003 Report Share Posted March 19, 2003 Hi Jason Y'know, we could all get fussy about this sort of thing. For instance.... > I'm sorry, The phrase is " I am " - it's only one extra letter. > but this is driving me crazy. The word is " what " . It's Again, you should be using " It is " . Alternatively, we could just use this facility as a chat list. I'm sure there are plenty of e-mail groups where you can discuss the ins and outs of English grammar, if that's really so important to you! ;-) BB Peter --- Outgoing mail is certified Virus Free. Checked by AVG anti-virus system (http://www.grisoft.com). Version: 6.0.459 / Virus Database: 258 - Release 25/02/03 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted March 19, 2003 Report Share Posted March 19, 2003 Hay - don't pick on our Fraggle! Jo > I'm sorry, but this is driving me crazy. The word is " what " . It's an extra > letter! --- Outgoing mail is certified Virus Free. Checked by AVG anti-virus system (http://www.grisoft.com). Version: 6.0.459 / Virus Database: 258 - Release 25/02/03 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted March 19, 2003 Report Share Posted March 19, 2003 Hi fraggle - Tak no notiss - we luv yor accent. :-) Jo I'm sorry, but this is driving me crazy. The word is "what". It's an extraletter!i see..mess with my accent....terrorist:) To send an email to - Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted March 20, 2003 Report Share Posted March 20, 2003 Jase--that's just the way Fraggle writes. I kinda give him a pass 'cause he's pretty cool. Danielle ----Original Message Follows---- " Jason M. Abels " <jason Re: Vegan Wed, 19 Mar 2003 11:47:18 -0500 (EST) > wot are you thinkin about? > narrow it down a bit..wot does the person like, wot sort of food, style, > tastes?? I'm sorry, but this is driving me crazy. The word is " what " . It's an extra letter! -- Jason M. Abels http://jason.abels.us/ There is sweetness there, and darkness too. Death walks in the bright lights, but love hides in the shadows. " Where is the questioning where is the protest song? Since when is skepticism un-American? Dissent's not treason but they talk like it's the same Those who disagree are afraid to show their face " --Sleater-Kinney _______________ STOP MORE SPAM with the new MSN 8 and get 2 months FREE* http://join.msn.com/?page=features/junkmail Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted March 20, 2003 Report Share Posted March 20, 2003 Hi Ja The easiest Vegan meal I know is pasta - instead of meat sauce, press some garlic into melted soy butter and olive oil. Make garlic bread with soy butter. Depending on the pasta you use, top it with steamed brocolli. Quick, easy and delicious. nikki The language of truth is unadorned and always simple. Marcellinus Ammianus , " imlosthelpme2003 " <imlosthelpme2003> wrote: > Hi I really want to cook my friend who's vegan a meal and i havn't > the first clue about what to do, can anyone sugest an easy, but very > nice and romantic meal??? > > Thanks alot, > > Ja Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted March 20, 2003 Report Share Posted March 20, 2003 Hi Jason Fraggle knows how to spell, is simply his style can't condemn someone fer being themselves nikki Don't let the little things get to you , " Jason M. Abels " <jason@j...> wrote: > > > wot are you thinkin about? > > narrow it down a bit..wot does the person like, wot sort of food, style, > > tastes?? > > I'm sorry, but this is driving me crazy. The word is " what " . It's an extra > letter! > > > -- > Jason M. Abels > http://jason.abels.us/ > There is sweetness there, and darkness too. Death walks in the bright > lights, but love hides in the shadows. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted March 20, 2003 Report Share Posted March 20, 2003 I was kinda stumped until I realize it's not really the meal, the food served, but the atmosphere. But for dessert, you could serve soy ice cream with lots of berries and AhLaska chocolate syrup on top. If you can find it, there's Hip Whip, and you can have a vegan sundae! Danielle Support our troops; bring them home safely. ----Original Message Follows---- "nikki_mackovitch" Re: Vegan Thu, 20 Mar 2003 11:50:31 -0000 Hi Ja The easiest Vegan meal I know is pasta - instead of meat sauce, press some garlic into melted soy butter and olive oil. Make garlic bread with soy butter. Depending on the pasta you use, top it with steamed brocolli. Quick, easy and delicious. nikki The language of truth is unadorned and always simple. Marcellinus Ammianus , "imlosthelpme2003" wrote: > Hi I really want to cook my friend who's vegan a meal and i havn't > the first clue about what to do, can anyone sugest an easy, but very > nice and romantic meal??? > > Thanks alot, > > Ja Tired of spam? Get advanced junk mail protection with MSN 8. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted March 22, 2003 Report Share Posted March 22, 2003 GET A LIFE, GRAMMER IS NOT EVERYTHING! > Peter H -------------------- talk21 your FREE portable and private address on the net at http://www.talk21.com Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted March 22, 2003 Report Share Posted March 22, 2003 wELL SAID, SOME PEOPLE HAVE TOO MUCH TIME TOO LITTLE TO DO! > Peter H -------------------- talk21 your FREE portable and private address on the net at http://www.talk21.com Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted March 23, 2003 Report Share Posted March 23, 2003 Hi Peter H I am interested in your replies, but you have not left connections to the original statements - help me out:-) Jo - <swpgh01 Saturday, March 22, 2003 3:13 PM Re: Vegan > > wELL SAID, SOME PEOPLE HAVE TOO MUCH TIME TOO LITTLE TO DO! > > > > Peter H > > -------------------- > talk21 your FREE portable and private address on the net at http://www.talk21.com > > > > > To send an email to - > > Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted December 21, 2004 Report Share Posted December 21, 2004 Just so that I don't accidently make anyone think I'm *really* trying to impersonate Peter; this is Ian, trying to route around some damage. Thank you . heartwerk wrote: > > Ian > > I felt Andrew's attitude to be aggressive towards people who share > their lives with meat-eaters. Personally, I'd rank it as hostile, but not aggressive. But that's beside the point. If the moderators deem it too impolite for this list, then that's all well and good, and entirely reasonable. > Of course people have their own > opinions, but I do not wish members of the group to offend each > other, and I felt that Peter's (Valley Vegan) reply was in response > to an email which he found offensive. I humbly suggest that the right response would have been to politely let Andrew know he was being too impolite for this list. And that being much *less* polite than Andrew actually implied to everyone that being personally insulting was okay on this list. > You say that you do not really know Peter well, but you are one of > our long-term members, and are fully aware of the style of > moderation. This is what I wrote before Peter's post: I know you try to keep things polite. I don't really know whether Peter (and the other moderators) apply that to themselves. I don't know what the link between Peter & yourself is, for example. I hope you do. I guess I'll find out . Added after Peter's post: Apparently, I forgot what Peter is like. Remember Peter, it's much easier to keep people civil if you set a good example. Of course, I'm probably on moderation already. Finally, after Peter confirmed he'd put me on moderation: You just spent a moderator post making a massively personal attack, after putting the people you attacked (probably including Andrew also) on moderation so that they can't answer back. Come on, Peter; this list is strong enough, and you're strong enough, for people to politely disagree with you, even on moderator decisions, and even when you're out of order ... without you needing to throw your weight around. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted December 21, 2004 Report Share Posted December 21, 2004 To all list members Again, sending via Jo's e-mail as I do not have immediate access to my own. I would just like to advise that Ian's use of my e-mail address for his personal vendetta is utterly unacceptable, and illegal. I will be seeking legal advice, and will not put up with anyone fraudulently using me identity (even if they state that they are not me). I apologise for the trouble that Ian is causing to the list, and will hopefully have this all sorted out as soon as possible. Peter Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted November 4, 2005 Report Share Posted November 4, 2005 Allo, New to this world....Can someone tell me what a vegan is? Thank you, Caroline Find your next car at Canada Autos Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted November 4, 2005 Report Share Posted November 4, 2005 Hi Caroline, A vegan is someone who does not eat anything that came from an animal/bird/etc So this means no eggs, cheese, etc. I am an ovo-lacto vegetarian, which means while I don't eat meat, I do have eggs, milk, and cheese. Here's one of many articles about the different types of vegetarians: http://vegetarian.about.com/od/vegetarianvegan101/f/faq_vegtypes.htm Take care, Cathrine Caroline Lafontaine wrote: >Allo, New to this world....Can someone tell me what a vegan is? > >Thank you, > >Caroline Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted November 9, 2005 Report Share Posted November 9, 2005 Thanks for the clarification Cathrine. Caroline Cathrine Qua <cathrineq wrote: Hi Caroline, A vegan is someone who does not eat anything that came from an animal/bird/etc So this means no eggs, cheese, etc. I am an ovo-lacto vegetarian, which means while I don't eat meat, I do have eggs, milk, and cheese. Here's one of many articles about the different types of vegetarians: http://vegetarian.about.com/od/vegetarianvegan101/f/faq_vegtypes.htm Take care, Cathrine Caroline Lafontaine wrote: >Allo, New to this world....Can someone tell me what a vegan is? > >Thank you, > >Caroline Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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