OT: soy scare??

[Guest guest]

Hey guys,

I just joined this group, and maybe someone out there can clear this

up or at least offer some info. What's up with this soy backlash and

anti-soy propaganda that's making its way onto books(The Whole Soy

Story, by Dr. Kayyla Daniels) various websites (Dr. Mercola's many

articles trying to dispel soy " myths " , as he calles them). He has

some pretty inflamatory things to say about vegetarians, but more

than anything he offers some scary data on soy and its

supposed " toxins " and phytochemicals. There is a site called

soyonlineservice.co.nz that sounds harmless enough, but upon opening

it you soon realize it's very anti-soy, deeming it one of the biggest

scams to be fed to the public... OK, I consume large quantities of

the stuff, especially since becoming vegan a couple of years ago, (I

was a vegetarian for 18 years, before becoming vegan) down to the soy

cheese, yougourts, sour cream, ice-cream(maggie muds, and Soy

Delicious are the best!) I love to cook, so I use lots of tofu,

dehydrated soy strips, chunks to make great dishes. Tofu is supposed

to be especially bad for you in terms of memory LOSS?? so, to be

honest, this has me pretty freaked out, especially since some of the

things they are saying to watch out for, I have actually experienced,

such as joint problems, uncontrolloble gas, and yes, disturbingly

frequent memory loss...(this has me the most worried).While ist true

that I am still skeptical about all this, it's not the first time in

a couple of years, that I have heard of soy and tofu being bad for

you. What gives????? anyone with encouraging words out there???

After all,but what's a vegan girl to eat?? Anyone with anything to

say about the above-mentioned sources would be appreciated!!

Lucia Fatone

[Guest guest]

There are people -- mostly anti-vegetarians as far as I can tell, who really

are extremely prejudiced against soy products, including both soy sauce and

also against tofu. These are non-meat products that threaten their

meat-eating lifestyle. I've seen many like that -- mostly men I think.

 

People in the orient, south-east asia and India, have eaten soy products for

thousands of years. They have proven that they are healthy for you. They

also eat far less meat products than our meat and potatoes ancestors, who

lived by hunting. Many were vegetarians as a result of their Buddhist

religion. Especially long lived are people in Japan and Okinawa.

 

So I just ignore these people, and my advice to others is to do the same.

 

Charles Wilkes

 

12/31/05, lucia <luciafatone wrote:

>

> Hey guys,

> I just joined this group, and maybe someone out there can clear this

> up or at least offer some info. What's up with this soy backlash and

> anti-soy propaganda that's making its way onto books(The Whole Soy

> Story, by Dr. Kayyla Daniels) various websites (Dr. Mercola's many

> articles trying to dispel soy " myths " , as he calles them). He has

> some pretty inflamatory things to say about vegetarians, but more

> than anything he offers some scary data on soy and its

> supposed " toxins " and phytochemicals. There is a site called

> soyonlineservice.co.nz that sounds harmless enough, but upon opening

> it you soon realize it's very anti-soy, deeming it one of the biggest

> scams to be fed to the public... OK, I consume large quantities of

> the stuff, especially since becoming vegan a couple of years ago, (I

> was a vegetarian for 18 years, before becoming vegan) down to the soy

> cheese, yougourts, sour cream, ice-cream(maggie muds, and Soy

> Delicious are the best!) I love to cook, so I use lots of tofu,

> dehydrated soy strips, chunks to make great dishes. Tofu is supposed

> to be especially bad for you in terms of memory LOSS?? so, to be

> honest, this has me pretty freaked out, especially since some of the

> things they are saying to watch out for, I have actually experienced,

> such as joint problems, uncontrolloble gas, and yes, disturbingly

> frequent memory loss...(this has me the most worried).While ist true

> that I am still skeptical about all this, it's not the first time in

> a couple of years, that I have heard of soy and tofu being bad for

> you. What gives????? anyone with encouraging words out there???

> After all,but what's a vegan girl to eat?? Anyone with anything to

> say about the above-mentioned sources would be appreciated!!

> Lucia Fatone

>

>

 

[Guest guest]

lucia wrote:

> Hey guys,

> I just joined this group, and maybe someone out there can clear this

> up or at least offer some info. What's up with this soy backlash and

> anti-soy propaganda that's making its way onto books(The Whole Soy

> Story, by Dr. Kayyla Daniels) various websites (Dr. Mercola's many

> articles trying to dispel soy " myths " , as he calles them). He has

> some pretty inflamatory things to say about vegetarians, but more

> than anything he offers some scary data on soy and its

> supposed " toxins " and phytochemicals.

 

Well, I think these anti-soy people (a lot like any other anti-whatever

books) will over do statistics to suit their theory. Now, from my

experience, the only thing I can confirm chemically is that soy can act

as estrogen in women. In fact, I don't drink a lot of soy because it

makes me feel like I'm on the pill. However, I have used soy to make my

periods less PMS driven, and it has helped a lot. Tofu doesn't give as

much as the same effect for me, but it can still help.

 

Honestly, I think any food, or any diet, has its pros and cons. I say,

if it's works for you, then great!

 

(And really, a lot of these authors, while they probably do mean well,

are also out to make a buck, and probably have backings from the

industries that are anti-whatever.)

 

just my $0.02.

 

Gina

[Guest guest]

Lucia, from all my reading, I have personally concluded that meat

substitutes of any kind should be used only occasionally. That includes

fake meats and tofu.

 

The best way to have any kind of food is as close to possible to its

natural state, with the possible exception of a few things that need to

be cooked to lower any toxic effects (eg. the leaves of the yucca

plant).

 

Saying all that, I do consume tofu and fake meats, and I eat cooked

food. I try to have beans more often than those choices. When I am

being good I get some raw fruit or vegetable as part of each meal.

 

The best way to consume soy is by having the whole beans - eg. edamame.

Fermented soy products like tempe are supposed to be better for you than

tofu. Some processing of tofu is less bad for you than others. I don't

know a lot about which brands are " purer. " I feel pretty confident that

when I buy tofu from Whole Foods that their offerings are at least free

of contaminants.

 

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[Guest guest]

Why not try a boiled soya bean and mushroom instead of tufo and other vegi

product always,i guarantte you the taste is much better and you will like it,so

you will have alternatives.We soaked soya bean for about 8 hrs then bring to a

boil

Susan

 

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Lets put into consideration that these authors have certain points,that any

excess in bean and its kind results in high uric acid that causes rhematoid

arthritis,anything in excess no matter how healthy also causes effect on

health,i think the point that we should think is on how to minimize the side

effects of excessive use.One thing that we try is to soak the beans for about 8

to 12 hours changing water from time to time to remove bubbles which contains

the uric acid before boiling to cook,and we find it effective on our part,also

we try to subsidize by eating lots of raw organic fruits and vegetables,you can

try it too

Susan

 

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yah you're right. But for me I consume a lot of raw vegetable salads & fruits

bcoz of its enzyme property. I'm a health crusader so I want the people to

efface their connotation about vegetarians as pale & so skinny so I keep my body

in shape w/ work out & smooth skin. If you have a lot of food ezpose' wherein I

could use in my lecture please let me know, Thanks a lot!

 

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[Guest guest]

HI! I'm responding on my mother's instead. Am a vegan for 14 years & does a lot

of lecture. I've met a lot of skeptic people but its just that they cannot give

up their favorite meat. If you've got some info reg a lot of expose' please let

me know so I couls enhance my lecture.Thanks & God bless!!

 

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[Guest guest]

I supplement my vegan diet with various soy products but cannot eat too

much as it tends to bloat me due to my IBS (due to bilharzia as a small

child) but apart from that I never have had any other problems after

nearly 30 years of soy.

 

If you require info for a lecture you will find a lot of good soy

health links on vegsource.com . The articles are far too long to post

here so I suggest you have a look.

[Guest guest]

Thanks Maida,

I appreciate your comments. You're right, the quantities of meat subs shoud

not be excessive, as they are cooked and processed to death I suppose.

My thoughts were that I will stick more closely (in terms of protein intake)

to legumes (beans and lentils), seitan- which I make from gluten, and fermented

soy products (tempeh, miso) which are reputed to be better than their other soy

cousins, as the " bad " phytochemicals have been fermented away.

Peace,

Lucia

 

Maidawg <maidawg wrote:

Lucia, from all my reading, I have personally concluded that meat

substitutes of any kind should be used only occasionally. That includes

fake meats and tofu.

 

The best way to have any kind of food is as close to possible to its

natural state, with the possible exception of a few things that need to

be cooked to lower any toxic effects (eg. the leaves of the yucca

plant).

 

Saying all that, I do consume tofu and fake meats, and I eat cooked

food. I try to have beans more often than those choices. When I am

being good I get some raw fruit or vegetable as part of each meal.

 

The best way to consume soy is by having the whole beans - eg. edamame.

Fermented soy products like tempe are supposed to be better for you than

tofu. Some processing of tofu is less bad for you than others. I don't

know a lot about which brands are " purer. " I feel pretty confident that

when I buy tofu from Whole Foods that their offerings are at least free

of contaminants.

 

from Maida

Citizens for Pets in Condos, http://www.petsincondos.org

South Florida Vegetarian Events, http://www.soflavegevents.net

 

 

 

 

 

[Guest guest]

Just a a few thoughts from yer intrepid leader on the soy scare:

anti-vegetarians (and there

are some of those who actually eat a vegetarian diet, contrary as that might

seem) are

always keen to tell us that certain aspects of a vegetarian diet will kill us

one way or

another. It's tiresome, and it is relentless.

 

If you're worried about soy - or any other food - then eat it occasionally, not

every meal or

even every day.

 

My dh and I go through a package of tofu in around ten days or longer (I freeze

some of it

once open, of course), but I do make one of my cups of coffee in the morning as

a soymilk

latte. Occasionally I'll make a 'cream' soup out of soymilk. Or use tofu instead

of ricotta in

a lasagna which I make in the winter about once every couple of months at most.

 

So I guess I don't see what the panic is over soy - I suppose if we used a lot

of

convenience foods then we'd consume more. But we cook asian style almost every

day,

sometimes twice a day, yet the amount of soy we'd add to that would be minimal

at best,

more often not added at all. I guess that's one of the reasons I started this

list - because

so much flavour is given to foods by adding spices that me*t isn't missed - and

becauses I

consider the thousands of years of vegetarian cuisine to be one that vegetarians

outside

asia would be wise to tap into. And yes, before anyone reminds me, I know that

there is a

tradition of vegetarian cuisine in other parts of the world too :-) - and some

of that is hot

and spicy as well. Yum!

 

Frankly, I consider that the effects of eating *meat* are far more dangerous

than soy, and

certainly more harmful to the animals, but hey I'm a vegetarian and obviously am

biased.

 

But how about some recipes, guys??? Anyone tried anything new and exciting over

the

holiday season??? Let's hear about it!

 

Best love, Pat

[Guest guest]

I wouldn't worry too much about this. Soybeans have served as one of

the most important source of protein for the people of Japan for over

a thousand years and for the people of China for over two millennia.

It's no accident that the U.S. grows most of the worlds soybeans but

very few Americans ever tasted tofu.

Jim

 

'He is a heavy eater of beef. Me thinks it doth harm to his wit'

William Shakespeare from Twelfth Night

 

, " lucia " <luciafatone@s...>

wrote:

>

> Hey guys,

> I just joined this group, and maybe someone out there can clear

this

> up or at least offer some info. What's up with this soy backlash

and

> anti-soy propaganda that's making its way onto books(The Whole Soy

> Story, by Dr. Kayyla Daniels) various websites (Dr. Mercola's many

> articles trying to dispel soy " myths " , as he calles them). He has

> some pretty inflamatory things to say about vegetarians, but more

> than anything he offers some scary data on soy and its

> supposed " toxins " and phytochemicals. There is a site called

> soyonlineservice.co.nz that sounds harmless enough, but upon

opening

> it you soon realize it's very anti-soy, deeming it one of the

biggest

> scams to be fed to the public... OK, I consume large quantities of

> the stuff, especially since becoming vegan a couple of years ago,

(I

> was a vegetarian for 18 years, before becoming vegan) down to the

soy

> cheese, yougourts, sour cream, ice-cream(maggie muds, and Soy

> Delicious are the best!) I love to cook, so I use lots of tofu,

> dehydrated soy strips, chunks to make great dishes. Tofu is

supposed

> to be especially bad for you in terms of memory LOSS?? so, to be

> honest, this has me pretty freaked out, especially since some of

the

> things they are saying to watch out for, I have actually

experienced,

> such as joint problems, uncontrolloble gas, and yes, disturbingly

> frequent memory loss...(this has me the most worried).While ist

true

> that I am still skeptical about all this, it's not the first time

in

> a couple of years, that I have heard of soy and tofu being bad for

> you. What gives????? anyone with encouraging words out there???

> After all,but what's a vegan girl to eat?? Anyone with anything to

> say about the above-mentioned sources would be appreciated!!

> Lucia Fatone

>

[Guest guest]

Speaking of Soy, I just bought TSP (Chunks) for the first time. I thought,

" I'll try it and if I don't like it it looks like great dog treats! "

 

It certainly is bland and crunchy. Any suggestions on what to do with it

for a new vegan?

 

BTW the animal treat test went from a Schipperke's " YUCK " to a bottomless

pit Beagle who sucked up any left by other dogs. Macaw and Cockatoo

reactions were equally mixed. Seems like it should be a healthy food for

all.

 

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http://www.wendyjeffries.com

[Guest guest]

When you say vagan were tottal vegetarians,so we can live on all kinds of

vegetables around,try to eat more raw organic ones,or blanced and we usually

make a sauce,it depends on how hot you wanted it,we use soya sauce,minced

garlic,union and chopped chilli and lemon.We just dip the blanced vegetables and

eat it with rice and alas we had food.Or we just had nothing except fruits to

eat in a meal like breakfast or dinner.Just siting our own way of being vagan,as

i really consider myself still new but two of my daughters are health lecturers

and they emphasize the need of healthy food,and sources of food with their

proper combinations.Oftetimes we avail vegetables which are in season as they

are much cheaper so tofu and other vegie products are not much in demand for us

though we also love eating tofu.

Susan

 

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[Guest guest]

I am 79, and served in the Air Force in the orient during WW2. At that

time feelings towards Japan were very negative, and this carried over to

eating anything which might seem to be Japanese, and this included tofu and

other soy products, as we didn't grow these at the time. I think this may

have affected us to this day.

 

Charles Wilkes

 

On 1/2/06, Jim <jdseafyrs669 wrote:

>

> I wouldn't worry too much about this. Soybeans have served as one of

> the most important source of protein for the people of Japan for over

> a thousand years and for the people of China for over two millennia.

> It's no accident that the U.S. grows most of the worlds soybeans but

> very few Americans ever tasted tofu.

> Jim

>

> 'He is a heavy eater of beef. Me thinks it doth harm to his wit'

> William Shakespeare from Twelfth Night

>

> , " lucia " <luciafatone@s...>

> wrote:

> >

> > Hey guys,

> > I just joined this group, and maybe someone out there can clear

> this

> > up or at least offer some info. What's up with this soy backlash

> and

> > anti-soy propaganda that's making its way onto books(The Whole Soy

> > Story, by Dr. Kayyla Daniels) various websites (Dr. Mercola's many

> > articles trying to dispel soy " myths " , as he calles them). He has

> > some pretty inflamatory things to say about vegetarians, but more

> > than anything he offers some scary data on soy and its

> > supposed " toxins " and phytochemicals. There is a site called

> > soyonlineservice.co.nz that sounds harmless enough, but upon

> opening

> > it you soon realize it's very anti-soy, deeming it one of the

> biggest

> > scams to be fed to the public... OK, I consume large quantities of

> > the stuff, especially since becoming vegan a couple of years ago,

> (I

> > was a vegetarian for 18 years, before becoming vegan) down to the

> soy

> > cheese, yougourts, sour cream, ice-cream(maggie muds, and Soy

> > Delicious are the best!) I love to cook, so I use lots of tofu,

> > dehydrated soy strips, chunks to make great dishes. Tofu is

> supposed

> > to be especially bad for you in terms of memory LOSS?? so, to be

> > honest, this has me pretty freaked out, especially since some of

> the

> > things they are saying to watch out for, I have actually

> experienced,

> > such as joint problems, uncontrolloble gas, and yes, disturbingly

> > frequent memory loss...(this has me the most worried).While ist

> true

> > that I am still skeptical about all this, it's not the first time

> in

> > a couple of years, that I have heard of soy and tofu being bad for

> > you. What gives????? anyone with encouraging words out there???

> > After all,but what's a vegan girl to eat?? Anyone with anything to

> > say about the above-mentioned sources would be appreciated!!

> > Lucia Fatone

> >

 

[Guest guest]

Thanks for the Shakespeare quote, Jim, I liked it. there is an article though

on the McDougall site, which kind of confirms all the bad rap soy has been

getting and he's a vegetarian I think.

Happy New Year,

Lucia

 

Jim <jdsears669 wrote:

I wouldn't worry too much about this. Soybeans have served as one of

the most important source of protein for the people of Japan for over

a thousand years and for the people of China for over two millennia.

It's no accident that the U.S. grows most of the worlds soybeans but

very few Americans ever tasted tofu.

Jim

 

'He is a heavy eater of beef. Me thinks it doth harm to his wit'

William Shakespeare from Twelfth Night

 

, " lucia " <luciafatone@s...>

wrote:

>

> Hey guys,

> I just joined this group, and maybe someone out there can clear

this

> up or at least offer some info. What's up with this soy backlash

and

> anti-soy propaganda that's making its way onto books(The Whole Soy

> Story, by Dr. Kayyla Daniels) various websites (Dr. Mercola's many

> articles trying to dispel soy " myths " , as he calles them). He has

> some pretty inflamatory things to say about vegetarians, but more

> than anything he offers some scary data on soy and its

> supposed " toxins " and phytochemicals. There is a site called

> soyonlineservice.co.nz that sounds harmless enough, but upon

opening

> it you soon realize it's very anti-soy, deeming it one of the

biggest

> scams to be fed to the public... OK, I consume large quantities of

> the stuff, especially since becoming vegan a couple of years ago,

(I

> was a vegetarian for 18 years, before becoming vegan) down to the

soy

> cheese, yougourts, sour cream, ice-cream(maggie muds, and Soy

> Delicious are the best!) I love to cook, so I use lots of tofu,

> dehydrated soy strips, chunks to make great dishes. Tofu is

supposed

> to be especially bad for you in terms of memory LOSS?? so, to be

> honest, this has me pretty freaked out, especially since some of

the

> things they are saying to watch out for, I have actually

experienced,

> such as joint problems, uncontrolloble gas, and yes, disturbingly

> frequent memory loss...(this has me the most worried).While ist

true

> that I am still skeptical about all this, it's not the first time

in

> a couple of years, that I have heard of soy and tofu being bad for

> you. What gives????? anyone with encouraging words out there???

> After all,but what's a vegan girl to eat?? Anyone with anything to

> say about the above-mentioned sources would be appreciated!!

> Lucia Fatone

>

 

 

 

 

 

 

[Guest guest]

> I am 79, and served in the Air Force in the orient during WW2. At that

> time feelings towards Japan were very negative, and this carried over to

> eating anything which might seem to be Japanese, and this included tofu and

> other soy products, as we didn't grow these at the time. I think this may

> have affected us to this day.

 

Sad truth, isn't it? And I quite agree. Of course, when we say 'we' *we* must

remember that

*we* also have members from around the world, including those countries which

rely on

soy! Small world, thanks to the wonders of cyberspace. Of course, it is western

science

that is so suspicious of soy, isn't it? Pity. So much to learn and so much

unwillingness to

do so!

 

Best love, Pat

[Guest guest]

Well, I had to write a speech once, and I chose soy

for my topic. What I found out in my research is that:

as little as 1/2 a cup of soy milk a day will

drastically reduce your cholesterol level

in china/Japan region of the world (can't remember

specifically the region) but, where they consume soy

as a main staple in their diet, that there is very

little if any PMS, and Menopause systems. A low rate

of breast and prostate cancer.

There are a bunch of other health bonus's that I wrote

but have forgotten. But, when I worked at a grocery

store a few years back, I remember this man telling me

that his cholesterol had significantly dropped just

from using soy milk in his morning cereal.

I, however, have had misadventures with soy. Souly

because of the horrible gas. If anyone has a method of

which to reduce this I would be forever grateful. I

really like the stuff.

 

katrina

 

--- LUCIA FATONE <luciafatone wrote:

 

> Thanks for the Shakespeare quote, Jim, I liked it.

> there is an article though on the McDougall site,

> which kind of confirms all the bad rap soy has been

> getting and he's a vegetarian I think.

> Happy New Year,

> Lucia

>

> Jim <jdsears669 wrote:

> I wouldn't worry too much about this. Soybeans

> have served as one of

> the most important source of protein for the people

> of Japan for over

> a thousand years and for the people of China for

> over two millennia.

> It's no accident that the U.S. grows most of the

> worlds soybeans but

> very few Americans ever tasted tofu.

> Jim

>

> 'He is a heavy eater of beef. Me thinks it doth harm

> to his wit'

> William Shakespeare from Twelfth Night

>

> , " lucia "

> <luciafatone@s...>

> wrote:

> >

> > Hey guys,

> > I just joined this group, and maybe someone out

> there can clear

> this

> > up or at least offer some info. What's up with

> this soy backlash

> and

> > anti-soy propaganda that's making its way onto

> books(The Whole Soy

> > Story, by Dr. Kayyla Daniels) various websites

> (Dr. Mercola's many

> > articles trying to dispel soy " myths " , as he

> calles them). He has

> > some pretty inflamatory things to say about

> vegetarians, but more

> > than anything he offers some scary data on soy and

> its

> > supposed " toxins " and phytochemicals. There is a

> site called

> > soyonlineservice.co.nz that sounds harmless

> enough, but upon

> opening

> > it you soon realize it's very anti-soy, deeming it

> one of the

> biggest

> > scams to be fed to the public... OK, I consume

> large quantities of

> > the stuff, especially since becoming vegan a

> couple of years ago,

> (I

> > was a vegetarian for 18 years, before becoming

> vegan) down to the

> soy

> > cheese, yougourts, sour cream, ice-cream(maggie

> muds, and Soy

> > Delicious are the best!) I love to cook, so I use

> lots of tofu,

> > dehydrated soy strips, chunks to make great

> dishes. Tofu is

> supposed

> > to be especially bad for you in terms of memory

> LOSS?? so, to be

> > honest, this has me pretty freaked out, especially

> since some of

> the

> > things they are saying to watch out for, I have

> actually

> experienced,

> > such as joint problems, uncontrolloble gas, and

> yes, disturbingly

> > frequent memory loss...(this has me the most

> worried).While ist

> true

> > that I am still skeptical about all this, it's not

> the first time

> in

> > a couple of years, that I have heard of soy and

> tofu being bad for

> > you. What gives????? anyone with encouraging

> words out there???

> > After all,but what's a vegan girl to eat?? Anyone

> with anything to

> > say about the above-mentioned sources would be

> appreciated!!

> > Lucia Fatone

> >

[Guest guest]

Katrina said she's had " ... had misadventures with soy. Souly

because of the horrible gas. If anyone has a method of

which to reduce this I would be forever grateful. I

really like the stuff. "

 

I think that the fermented versions of soy, eg. tempe, are supposed to

help with that problem. The other thing you can do is take

acidophilous, which you can get in pill form, or have soy yogurt.

 

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[Guest guest]

facinating...thanks for the tip. I'll give it a try!!

katrina

 

--- Maidawg <maidawg wrote:

 

> Katrina said she's had " ... had misadventures with

> soy. Souly

> because of the horrible gas. If anyone has a method

> of

> which to reduce this I would be forever grateful. I

> really like the stuff. "

>

> I think that the fermented versions of soy, eg.

> tempe, are supposed to

> help with that problem. The other thing you can do

> is take

> acidophilous, which you can get in pill form, or

> have soy yogurt.

>

> from Maida

> Citizens for Pets in Condos,

> http://www.petsincondos.org

> South Florida Vegetarian Events,

> http://www.soflavegevents.net

>

>

>

 

 

 

 

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[Guest guest]

There has been discussion in this forum about how

difficult soy is to digest and how it can cause

fluctuations in one's estrogen levels. Estrogen

fluctuations have been known to cause bleeding of

uteral fibroids.

This person's experience was exactly this scenario. In

addition, there evolved a severe protein deficiency

and colon blockage.

Please Katrina, check to see if you are a person who

can not digest soy. It doesn't make any sense to take

something to alleviate the symptoms of malnourishment

or food allergy. Wishing you all the best. A food

allergy to soy can evolve into creating great

bean/rice loafs and other protein alternatives.

with respect,

Ramapriya

 

--- Maidawg <maidawg wrote:

 

> Katrina said she's had " ... had misadventures with

> soy. Souly

> because of the horrible gas. If anyone has a method

> of

> which to reduce this I would be forever grateful. I

> really like the stuff. "

>

> I think that the fermented versions of soy, eg.

> tempe, are supposed to

> help with that problem. The other thing you can do

> is take

> acidophilous, which you can get in pill form, or

> have soy yogurt.

>

> from Maida

> Citizens for Pets in Condos,

> http://www.petsincondos.org

> South Florida Vegetarian Events,

> http://www.soflavegevents.net

>

>

>

 

 

 

 

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Charles Wilkins mentioned to Katrina the " prep avail I think in many

groceries which stop gas from Beans "

 

Just be careful, because Beano is NOT vegetarian. It is made from fish.

I think that health food stores may have a vegan version.

 

from Maida

Citizens for Pets in Condos, http://www.petsincondos.org

South Florida Vegetarian Events, http://www.soflavegevents.net