Guest guest Posted March 22, 2006 Report Share Posted March 22, 2006 Here is the final answer, received today. They are not able to certify the product as vegetarian. (They just can't be bothered because no lawsuit could result.) As a precaution, I will avoid filing recipes listing this product, unless someone has better information. As I said before, they told me over the phone that they constantly change sources of minor ingredients and that is why they cannot say definitively that they are from plant sources. ============================================ Kraft - Health and Wellness [HealthandWellness] Maida, Thank you for visiting http://www.kraftfoods.com/. Our Pectins are free from animal sourced enzymes. I'm sorry but there is no other information currently available. I apologize for any disappointment this may cause you. If you haven't done so already, please add our site to your favorites and visit us again soon! Kim McMiller Associate Director, Consumer Relations ~~TLXEA_12894892~~Y what are the ingredients of Sure-Jell. Can you categorically state that the ingredients are guaranteed to be vegetarian. from Maida Citizens for Pets in Condos, http://www.petsincondos.org South Florida Vegetarian Events, http://www.soflavegevents.net Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted March 22, 2006 Report Share Posted March 22, 2006 Our Pectins are free from animal sourced enzymes. --this doesn't qualify? Maidawg <maidawg wrote: Here is the final answer, received today. They are not able to certify the product as vegetarian. (They just can't be bothered because no lawsuit could result.) As a precaution, I will avoid filing recipes listing this product, unless someone has better information. As I said before, they told me over the phone that they constantly change sources of minor ingredients and that is why they cannot say definitively that they are from plant sources. Beth “The right adult at the right time can make an enormous difference. Many kids have a history of difficult, disappointing relationships and one good relationship--one person who is there for them--can make a huge difference.” -Jean E. Rhodes Professor, Psychology at the University of Massachusetts in Boston. New Messenger with Voice. Call regular phones from your PC and save big. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted March 23, 2006 Report Share Posted March 23, 2006 > Our Pectins are free from animal sourced enzymes. --this doesn't qualify? I don't think so, because there's more to the product than pectin, you see :-( Maida has explained in an earlier post what the problem is about the sources (plural) of these other ingredients. Isn't it annoying! This is why vegetarians who are really careful use agar instead. Best love, Pat Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted March 23, 2006 Report Share Posted March 23, 2006 Beth answered " Our Pectins are free from animal sourced enzymes. --this doesn't qualify? " after I told her that " over the phone that they constantly change sources of minor ingredients and that is why they cannot say definitively that they are from plant sources. " (ie, can be from animal sources) Beth, you can do what YOU want to do. I just don't feel right about posting recipes that are not vegetarian on a VEGETARIAN list. from Maida Citizens for Pets in Condos, http://www.petsincondos.org South Florida Vegetarian Events, http://www.soflavegevents.net Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted March 23, 2006 Report Share Posted March 23, 2006 Beth, you can do what YOU want to do. I just don't feel right about posting recipes that are not vegetarian on a VEGETARIAN list. ok, ok...i was just asking because it seemed to me they said it came from non animal sources...jiminy. take a deep breath. all is fine. Beth “The right adult at the right time can make an enormous difference. Many kids have a history of difficult, disappointing relationships and one good relationship--one person who is there for them--can make a huge difference.” -Jean E. Rhodes Professor, Psychology at the University of Massachusetts in Boston. New Messenger with Voice. Call regular phones from your PC and save big. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted March 23, 2006 Report Share Posted March 23, 2006 Pat, I've not yet run across a recipe for making a jam or jelly with agar. Have you? I could adapt any recipe to hot pepper jelly, I'm sure. Also, I would assume that commercial jams and jellies may be suspect, since they don't list all of their ingredients. Sherry At 06:45 AM 3/23/2006, you wrote: > > Our Pectins are free from animal sourced enzymes. --this doesn't qualify? > >I don't think so, because there's more to the product than pectin, >you see :-( Maida has >explained in an earlier post what the problem is about the sources >(plural) of these other >ingredients. > >Isn't it annoying! This is why vegetarians who are really careful >use agar instead. > >Best love, Pat Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted March 23, 2006 Report Share Posted March 23, 2006 > ok, ok...i was just asking because it seemed to me they said it came from non animal sources.. Hi Beth - I think I've already answered that one - they carefully only refered to the pectins, not the other ingredients. Additionally, as has been explained on this now several time, Kraft says that their other ingredients (in the products named) don't always come from non-animal sources. You and others can of course make your own choices - that's what life's about, making choices (among other things) :-) >jiminy. take a deep breath. all is fine. Steady on, girl! LOL No need to suggest that anyone here is outta control! You asked a question, you got your answer. If you don't like your answer, then you can ignore it - but don't shoot the messenger, okay? Me, I only just gave up buying jam and jelly products that were not labelled as being suitable for VEGETARIANS - likewise am now looking at pickles. There's always something, eh? But how far each individual wants to go is up to that person. The only rule one needs to follow is to be true to one's own chosen way BUT I would add that on this list one needs to be respectful of others who may be following a stricter (and therefore perhaps less attractive in one's own eyes) path to one's own. Now I think the queries about these products are, in TV legalese, 'asked and answered'. Let's move on? Best love, Pat Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted March 23, 2006 Report Share Posted March 23, 2006 > Pat, I've not yet run across a recipe for making a jam or jelly with > agar. Have you? Can't recall - although I've heard of such things. I don't make jam or jelly and my only indulgence used to be commercial ginger marmalade a few times a year ;-) - now abandoned because I've cut sugar out. >Also, I would assume that commercial jams and jellies may be > suspect, since they don't list all of their ingredients. Suspect, yes. But all things not marked vegetarian or vegan are suspect, ya know? Best love, Pat Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted March 25, 2006 Report Share Posted March 25, 2006 When I used to make jams & jellies, I used to use Certo. Is it still available? Also, you can use certain fruit to make your own--isn't it made from apples or some other fruit that causes the jam or jelly to " set " ? Maidawg <maidawg wrote: Beth answered " Our Pectins are free from animal sourced enzymes. --this doesn't qualify? " after I told her that " over the phone that they constantly change sources of minor ingredients and that is why they cannot say definitively that they are from plant sources. " (ie, can be from animal sources) Kathleen M. Pelley Knitters are Real Purls Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted March 25, 2006 Report Share Posted March 25, 2006 > When I used to make jams & jellies, I used to use Certo. We have been through this at the end of February and also earlier this month :-( We have checked with Kraft, by email and telephone, and they cannot guarantee that the product is consistently vegetarian. It seems that sometimes some of the chemical ingredients could be from animal rather than vegetable sources, depending on who supplies them to their factory at any given time. Given that information, Vegetarian Spice does not recommend the use of Certo for a vegetarian group. Best, Pat Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted March 26, 2006 Report Share Posted March 26, 2006 Kathleen said, " When I used to make jams & jellies, I used to use Certo. Is it still available? Also, you can use certain fruit to make your own--isn't it made from apples or some other fruit that causes the jam or jelly to " set " ? " Certo has the same problems as Sure-Jell - it is made by Kraft and they cannot and will not certify their products as vegetarian. I sure hope somebody on this list comes up with a vegetarian jelly recipe so we can end this thread. from Maida Citizens for Pets in Condos, http://www.petsincondos.org South Florida Vegetarian Events, http://www.soflavegevents.net Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted March 26, 2006 Report Share Posted March 26, 2006 Maida wrote: > I sure hope somebody on this list comes up with a vegetarian > jelly recipe so we can end this thread. Well, I don't have a pepper jelly recipe that I've tested, but I can point anyone who wants one to a vegan one. Pomona Pectin is a vegan pectin, and it comes with a sheet full of recipes, including one for hot pepper jelly. (I know this because I use Pomona Pectin when making soy yogurt.) You can see the recipe sheet at http://www.pomonapectin.com/card1.pdf --Hot Pepper Jelly is the last one on the first page. I'm not a fan of pepper jelly or I'd offer to test this for the list! And, in case you're wondering, I did email Pomona just to make sure, and within an hour, on a Sunday no less, I received this email: Dear Susan Voisin, Pomona's Universal Pectin is 100% pure citrus pectin powder. This means that the pectin is extracted from the peel and pulp of lemon, lime and grapefruit. The calcium powder is a rock mineral calcium source called monocalcium phosphate. Neither one has anything to do with animal products. Sincerely, Connie Sumberg Owner Workstead Industries 413-772-6816 www.pomonapectin.com Susan ------------- Susan Voisin blog.fatfreevegan.com www.fatfreevegan.com www.veganconnection.com ------------ Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted March 29, 2006 Report Share Posted March 29, 2006 > Pomona Pectin is a vegan > pectin, and it comes with a sheet full of recipes, including one for > hot pepper jelly. Thanks, Susan :-) Saved! LOL Best love, Pat Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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