Guest guest Posted March 14, 2000 Report Share Posted March 14, 2000 Im sure speed is vegan- but probably not good for you, but hey, diets arent either! Bliss " toni U " <minusthemeat Tue, 14 Mar 2000 10:28:16 PST (unknown) > " toni U " <minusthemeat > > Hi Everyone > > I am wondering if any of you can give me some suggestions on a good vegan > face lotion for dry skin. > > Also I am wanting to take a diet pill similar to thermo-lift but am wanting > something that is vegan. Anyone know if Metobolic Thyrolean or Metabolife > are vegan? Any suggestions on a vegan diet pill? > > Thank You > > Toni > ____ > Get Your Private, Free Email at <A HREF= " http://www.hotmail.com " TARGET= " _new " ><FONT COLOR= " BLUE " >http://www.hotmail.com</FONT></A> > > > ------ > GET A NEXTCARD VISA, in 30 seconds! Get rates > as low as 0.0% Intro APR and no hidden fees. > Apply NOW! > <A HREF= " http://click./1/975/2/_/651892/_/953058497/ " TARGET= " _new " ><FONT COLOR= " BLUE " >http://click./1/975/2/_/651892/_/953058497/</FONT></A> > ------ > > > Post message: > Subscribe: - > Un: - > List owner: -owner > > Shortcut URL to this page: > <A HREF= " /community/ " TARGET= " _new " ><FONT COLOR= " BLUE " >/community/</FONT></A> > > -- _____________ Free email services provided by http://www.goodkarmamail.com powered by OutBlaze Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted September 2, 2000 Report Share Posted September 2, 2000 I just had a vegan " ckicken salad " sandwich with textured soy...there was other stuff in it too. it was really good. anybody have a recipe? thanks. laurel Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted October 25, 2000 Report Share Posted October 25, 2000 Hi John ! Welcome to the list and that. > Where is Vaughan, the young charmer? I've been neck deep in teaching these last few weeks plus I'm about to start a new research project so I've been a bit busy (to say the least). Dunno about the charmer bit, although I shall be passing your comments onto my mates nonetheless > [Macs to Indonesia] I'll happily hand over a tenner. Are you gonna be at the meal ? When was it again Hayley ? takeiteasyppl Vaughan Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted October 26, 2000 Report Share Posted October 26, 2000 'Allo John How are you? It's the one with lots to say here!! I'd love to help - details of where to post a donation? Are you joining us for our meal at Veg Veg on the 11/11? Take Care Katy >jallan >vegan-network >vegan-network > (unknown) >Wed, 25 Oct 2000 02:28:57 -0000 > >oh gord, another listserv to follow...willI ever see daylight. > >Quick hello to all the vegans I met at Conway Hall and Freud's >after from John with the Long Red Hair. > >Where is Vaughan, the young charmer? > >He has been very quiet these past few days. > >Request? Would anyone like to chip in to send a computer to >Indonesia to help support this nascent Indonesia Vegan Society >... I passed Karuna the details of this list and I see she posted. > >Very much a one woman affair out there but she is passionate >and committed about it. [ If a little prone to TVP spam .. but then >English is her second langauge and she has never visited here >]. > >I can put together an old Macintosh for free good enough for >writing and mailing but I cant afford the postage, it is may be >UKP £ 30 or 40. [ She will have to find a monitor out there. ] And >extra cash will go for useful extras, e.g. ink, disks, cables > >Anyone like to chip in to help spread the revolution? I reckon our >little cash will go a long way in a developing nation. Everyone >over here has heard the message... even if they dont listen. > >I have listened to her story and I think that she is genuine. She >would also appreciate books, videos or leaflets. I have suggsted >she tries and gets over here to do a placement with a UK group. > >http://www.i-v-s.org [ Apologies to Karuna because I did not ask >before posting this ... blame me ] > > >John > _______________________ Get Your Private, Free E-mail from MSN Hotmail at http://www.hotmail.com. Share information about yourself, create your own public profile at http://profiles.msn.com. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted November 16, 2000 Report Share Posted November 16, 2000 Did you ever get any replies on this? If so, gain any info? NormaJean Lee [njleeaz] Monday, November 13, 2000 10:18 AM (unknown) I was wondering if anyone out there knows of an alternative to gluco-chondroitin, which is a supplement taken to help with the rebuild of tissue in joints. This products main ingredient is Gelatin. Any suggestions would be helpful! _______________________ Get Your Private, Free E-mail from MSN Hotmail at http://www.hotmail.com. Share information about yourself, create your own public profile at http://profiles.msn.com. contact owner: -owner Mail list: Delivered-mailing list List-Un: - no flaming arguing or denigration of others allowed contact owner with complaints regarding posting/list or anything else. Thank you. please share/comment/inform and mostly enjoy this list Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted February 26, 2001 Report Share Posted February 26, 2001 While working in a small cafe in Austin, TX I encountered lots of people on meat only diets. They all claimed to feel great and said they lost lots of weight. I told them that a low-fat vegetarian diet would be a better long term choice but they said it would take too long for the weight loss. I worked in a nursing home for a time too and it was filled with people who ate mostly meat and sometimes potatoes or some fried veggies like okra. There were a lot of elderly volunteers who ate more balanced diets filled with fresh veggies and fruits. They were about the same age but were still full of life at 85 plus. Working there definately encouraged me to become vegetarian. Before that I didn't realise what a difference our diets can make. I can only imagine what a long healthy life my daughter will live since she'll be a vegetarian from the start. By the way, I breastfeed but am having trouble pumping enough milk. I know I'm making enough it just won't come out when I try to pump. Any suggestions? _______________ Get your FREE download of MSN Explorer at http://explorer.msn.com Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted February 26, 2001 Report Share Posted February 26, 2001 Ginger, you might consult ask that question on the VegSource breastfeeding discussion board. I think this is a fairly common problem. Susan ______________ GET INTERNET ACCESS FROM JUNO! Juno offers FREE or PREMIUM Internet access for less! Join Juno today! For your FREE software, visit: http://dl.www.juno.com/get/tagj. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted February 26, 2001 Report Share Posted February 26, 2001 On Mon, 26 Feb 2001, Susan M. Prepejchal wrote: > Since at the time he was helping me pump water out of my flooded basement > and I was dazed and exhausted, I did not even try to argue with him. I > also didn't encourage him by asking any questions, but does this sound > like one of those trendy high-protein diets? He mentioned a book called > *Sugar Busters*. He seems to believe plant foods of all kinds are too > high in sugars, which tax the immune system and cause diabetes. He also > had some idea about cholesterol levels being meaningless, etc... Yeah, that does sound like an Atkins/Zone-type high protein diet, especially the part about cholesterol being meaningless. It's funny that he mentioned Sugar Busters, which I've read -- while not overtly vegetarian-friendly, it's actually a lot more moderate than the sort of diet he's talking about. In Sugar Busters, sugars and *refined* grains are discouraged, but vegetables and whole grains are not. And yes, you can lose a lot of weight on a high-protein diet, but you can't maintain that indefinitely. Years ago, my step-father followed a similar sort of diet for over a year, eating almost nothing but meat, and eventually had a breakdown of sorts. He went into what he describes as a trance in the supermarket, filling his cart entirely with bread and eating two whole loaves in the car in the parking lot. He thinks he temporarily lost his mind there from deprivation. ---- Patricia Bullington-McGuire <patricia The brilliant Cerebron, attacking the problem analytically, discovered three distinct kinds of dragon: the mythical, the chimerical, and the purely hypothetical. They were all, one might say, nonexistent, but each nonexisted in an entirely different way ... -- Stanislaw Lem, " Cyberiad " Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted February 27, 2001 Report Share Posted February 27, 2001 I don't mean that my husband is sickly, really, but he pops Tylenol almost nightly, and is more prone to sniffles, sore throat and colds than the kids and I are. He even had an ear infection this winter. The high-protein/low carb diet really does work for a while, it's easier for the stomach to digest one food type at a time, so everything is digested much more efficiently. They will realize that this isn't the perfect answer when they experience their first stroke... or just high blood pressure or cholesterol. Or perhaps they won't, the doctor probably will commend them for losing the weight and put them on medication for the other " abnormalities " -- that have been caused by this diet. Karen > > Susan M. Prepejchal [sprepejchal] > Monday, February 26, 2001 12:30 PM > > (unknown) > > > I found it interesting that a couple of you mentioned > meat-eaters being > sickly...I just got a long lecture from a neighbor who claims they eat > nothing but meat and animal fat and a few whole milk products, small > amounts of vegetables, no grain products... and never get > sick. (I guess > he isn't counting the stroke and hip fracture his wife had a couple of > years ago). He thinks I'm too sickly (I've got two young > kids who bring > a good number of colds home from school) > and should give up my vegetarian ways!!! > > Since at the time he was helping me pump water out of my > flooded basement > and I was dazed and exhausted, I did not even try to argue > with him. I > also didn't encourage him by asking any questions, but does this sound > like one of those trendy high-protein diets? He mentioned a > book called > *Sugar Busters*. He seems to believe plant foods of all kinds are too > high in sugars, which tax the immune system and cause > diabetes. He also > had some idea about cholesterol levels being meaningless, etc... > > Has anyone encountered this species of carnivore??? Susan > ______________ > GET INTERNET ACCESS FROM JUNO! > Juno offers FREE or PREMIUM Internet access for less! > Join Juno today! For your FREE software, visit: > http://dl.www.juno.com/get/tagj. > > > For more information about vegetarianism, please visit the > VRG website at http://www.vrg.org and for materials > especially useful for families go to http://www.vrg.org/family. > > Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted February 27, 2001 Report Share Posted February 27, 2001 Susan wrote (in part) > I also didn't encourage him by asking any questions, but does this sound > like one of those trendy high-protein diets? He mentioned a book called > *Sugar Busters*. He seems to believe plant foods of all kinds are too > high in sugars, which tax the immune system and cause diabetes. He also > had some idea about cholesterol levels being meaningless, etc... > > Has anyone encountered this species of carnivore??? I think I wrote this previously to the list, but I took my 1-month old to a large playgroup that was in my friend's town (she spoke very highly of it). We went around and bring up a question/concern for the group to discuss and provide advice. I didn't really have any specific questions at that time, but was curious if anyone in the group was vegetarian (I currently do not have any vegetarian friends or family... it's quite " lonely " sometimes). I posed the question to the group, and I couldn't believe that I got the response that I did... " babies need different nutrients than adults " " what's good for you is not necessarily good for your baby " " you need to talk to a nutritionist " " what is your doctor telling you? I can refer you to a different pediatrician " " your baby will suffer because of your decision " . You would have thought that I was planning to abuse my child!!! Needless to say, I was shunned by the other mothers, and stopped going. I now have an amazingly healthy, happy eight+ month old who LOVES tofu, veggies of all kinds, rice, etc. He is the healthiest baby I know of all my friends' babies. (Funny, though, that some of my friends are disgusted by the thought of pureed meat, and ask me what I feed Ian). As far as the plant foods being high in sugars... What on earth is this guy reading? Sugars come from carbohydrates... I don't think many veggies are very high in carbohydrates. Diets excessively high in carbs cause elevated blood sugar and insulin resistance, as well as high triglycerides. Also, high protein diets can lead to funky amino acid imbalances and can tax the kidneys (hey, but I'm preaching to the choir). And I don't even want to talk about cholesterol levels being meaningless. I've seen far too many cardiac catheterizations to believe that one. I'm sure if you put a carnivore in an interventional cardiac unit, they'll change thier tune quickly. Many cardiac rehab patients I work with come to me for vegetarian advice, since they've been scared out of their britches... Enough of that... Sorry you had to encounter such resistance. Pam Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted February 27, 2001 Report Share Posted February 27, 2001 GINGER KRUG wrote: > By the way, I breastfeed but am having trouble pumping enough milk. I know > I'm making enough it just won't come out when I try to pump. Any > suggestions? Ugh, this is always a problem for me. Drink LOTS, LOTS, LOTS of water! Rule number one. It also may depend on the pump, or many other factors (for example, I can never let down when pumping if I'm extremely tired or if there's a lot on my mind). Try to relax, look at a photo of your baby, listen to soothing music. Make sure you're in a warm room. I know there are supplements out there that help people (e.g. fenugreek, which I tried, but it seemed to irritate my son; some moms swear by it). I don't have much other advice, but have much sympathy. I'm sure others have much more to offer. Just don't let it discourage you! Good luck Pam Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted February 27, 2001 Report Share Posted February 27, 2001 In a message dated 2/27/2001 9:16:28 AM Pacific Standard Time, sprepejchal writes: Just out of curiosity, am I the only one here whose husband is also vegetarian? OK, ok, so my home life is harmonious...it's just the rest of the culture we're at odds with! Susan Nope, my hubbie is a vegetarian too. We have a veggie household, I wouldn't have it any other way!! Sara Colin's Ap Mama A baby will only spoil if you leave it on the shelf. Come see us at http://members.tripod.com/colinsapmama/ Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted February 27, 2001 Report Share Posted February 27, 2001 Susan, My husband is a vegetarian. So, you are not the only one! Before he moved in with me, 10 yrs. ago, I told him that there were rules in my house. No animal products or by-products at all. He told me that was a small sacrifice to be with the person he loved. He ate flesh when we went out, which was not often then, since he was out of work for a bit. After less than 6 months, he gave up most animal products. Now, he only eats dairy and eggs if cooked in bread or sweets outside of the house. Our 5 yr. old son is vegan. My husband used to be a cook, so to learn how to eat vegan foods and widen his diet Now he does 90% of the cooking. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted February 27, 2001 Report Share Posted February 27, 2001 Susan, I don't have that book. I would love to get it for my 5 yr. old. Who is the author? Laura Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted February 27, 2001 Report Share Posted February 27, 2001 This neighbor who eats the meat-based diet has a wife who DID have a stroke (and a broken hip-osteoporosis?) a couple of years ago. He told me proudly that her cholesterol level was 300 then and that it didn't mean a thing because tests showed that her arteries are perfectly clear. HUH????? ______________ GET INTERNET ACCESS FROM JUNO! Juno offers FREE or PREMIUM Internet access for less! Join Juno today! For your FREE software, visit: http://dl.www.juno.com/get/tagj. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted February 27, 2001 Report Share Posted February 27, 2001 Pam, Gosh, what a hostile response you got from those mothers! I guess I shouldn't be amazed though, because people in like-minded groups sure can be nasty to anyone who is different...hey, I guess I can see why my son is not anxious for his classmates to know he is vegetarian. At 8, he is not old enough to feel being unique is prestigious. He just wants to fit it! By the way, both my kids have been on a mostly vegan with occasional dairy diet from birth and at 8 and 4 they are both quite healthy. Incidently, I brought out our old copies of the Victor the Vegetarian books last night to read to the kids. They hadn't heard them in a long time and my son was so excited to hear a child in a book say he likes tofu and soymilk that he jumped up, grabbed the book and said, " Tofu? Soymilk? Let me see that! " He just had to see it in print with his own eyes. Makes me realize what a vegetarian playmate would mean to him. Wish I could help him! Susan ______________ GET INTERNET ACCESS FROM JUNO! Juno offers FREE or PREMIUM Internet access for less! Join Juno today! For your FREE software, visit: http://dl.www.juno.com/get/tagj. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted February 27, 2001 Report Share Posted February 27, 2001 At 11:29 AM 2/26/01 -0600, susan wrote: >I just got a long lecture from a neighbor who claims they eat >nothing but meat and animal fat and a few whole milk products, small >amounts of vegetables, no grain products... and never get sick. It's probably the protein diet. >Since at the time he was helping me pump water out of my flooded basement >and I was dazed and exhausted, I did not even try to argue with him. I >also didn't encourage him by asking any questions, but does this sound >like one of those trendy high-protein diets? He mentioned a book called >*Sugar Busters*. Yep. It's the high protein diet. >He seems to believe plant foods of all kinds are too >high in sugars, which tax the immune system and cause diabetes. He also >had some idea about cholesterol levels being meaningless, etc... Well, he's full of it. One of the men that dh works with is like this. His kids are always sick, but they eat french fries, ketchup and hamburger most of the time. Oh and lots of cheese. They have recurrent ear infections, are almost always on antibiotics and one of them had his adenoids and tonsils out. I've suggested they cut out dairy but they don't know how their children would get calcium. Now, one of his children is calcium deficient and he's making him drink a ton of cow milk. <sigh> Susie momma to Sarah Rose (May 9, 1995), Emily (April 8, 1998) and ? (March 22, 2001) Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted February 27, 2001 Report Share Posted February 27, 2001 At 06:32 PM 2/26/01 +0000, ginger wrote: >By the way, I breastfeed but am having trouble pumping enough milk. I know >I'm making enough it just won't come out when I try to pump. Any >suggestions? You can take herbal supplements like fenugreek and blessed thistle to up your production. Also, calming and relaxing music can help while pumping. What kind of pump do you have? That can make a difference. Oh and remember, that what you pump is not necessarily what milk you have. Some people just can pump more than others. Susie momma to Sarah Rose (May 9, 1995), Emily (April 8, 1998) and ? (March 22, 2001) Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted February 27, 2001 Report Share Posted February 27, 2001 Susan- I have encountered that kind of carnivore- peolpe who are trying to tell me that I'm not getting enough protein. The little I know about Sugar busters and other high protein diets is that they believe one should cut out all carbs and only eat protein (bacon, red meat, ick...). They say it's healthier. The thing they don't talk about is that a high protein diet like that makes your kidneys work too hard and can send your body into a state of ketosis. One book I read called Protein Power claimed that you should have 70+ grams of protein per day! My doctor tells me as long as I'm between 35-45 grams I'm fine. Our bodies use plant proteins much more efficiently than animal proteins and we don't need as much. I like it much better our way! Sharon Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted February 27, 2001 Report Share Posted February 27, 2001 NO, Susan, my husband is a vegetarian! When we got married, he was a meat eater, but eventually did his own research and soul searching and became one on his own! One Christmas he handed me an empty White Castle Hamburger box and said, "That is my last piece of meat" - White Castle used to be his favorite. I couldn't have been more proud! He's going on 4 years as a veggie and is more militant than I am sometimes! Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted February 27, 2001 Report Share Posted February 27, 2001 Susan- My husband and I are both vegetarian as our our children Sam (6 in May) and ALeksander (2 in April). I read Diet For A New America in December of 1993 and never ate meat again. My husband read it and was just about 2 weeks behind me. We are currently living in Norway where it is pretty difficult and we are definately odd to people, but in AUgust we move to Zurich, Switzerland and are thrilled because tofu and veggie burgers are sold in the regular grocery stores there! Carmen >Just out of curiosity, am I the only one here whose husband is also >vegetarian? OK, ok, so my home life is harmonious...it's just the rest >of the culture we're at odds with! Susan Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted February 27, 2001 Report Share Posted February 27, 2001 i recently purchased a oatburger mix but the mix has no recipes other than for making burgers. does anyone know how to make an faux-meatloat from the oatburger? thanks barbara Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted February 27, 2001 Report Share Posted February 27, 2001 On Tue, 27 Feb 2001, Susan M. Prepejchal wrote: > Just out of curiosity, am I the only one here whose husband is also > vegetarian? OK, ok, so my home life is harmonious...it's just the rest > of the culture we're at odds with! Susan Nope, my husband and I are both vegans. He was definitely a meat-eater when we first fell in love, but he was never hostile towards my diet or my values and in fact went out of his way to make sure I was accomodated when we went out to eat. (He got many bonus points for that. ) Shortly after we got engaged, he realized one day that he hadn't eaten anything I wouldn't eat for the last 3 days (unintentionally) and that he didn't feel deprived, so he decided to see how long he could keep it up. It's been 3 years now and he has no intention of going back. ---- Patricia Bullington-McGuire <patricia The brilliant Cerebron, attacking the problem analytically, discovered three distinct kinds of dragon: the mythical, the chimerical, and the purely hypothetical. They were all, one might say, nonexistent, but each nonexisted in an entirely different way ... -- Stanislaw Lem, " Cyberiad " Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted February 27, 2001 Report Share Posted February 27, 2001 There are two books: Victor the Vegetarian: Saving theLittle Lambs and Victor's Picnic with the Vegetarian Animals, both by Radha Vignola. I am pretty sure I ordered them through VRG. Susan ______________ GET INTERNET ACCESS FROM JUNO! Juno offers FREE or PREMIUM Internet access for less! Join Juno today! For your FREE software, visit: http://dl.www.juno.com/get/tagj. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted February 27, 2001 Report Share Posted February 27, 2001 Does anyone else have favorite vegetarian books, videos, etc... for children? I haven't run across much beyond the Victor books and the Simpsons episode... susan ______________ GET INTERNET ACCESS FROM JUNO! Juno offers FREE or PREMIUM Internet access for less! Join Juno today! For your FREE software, visit: http://dl.www.juno.com/get/tagj. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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