(unknown)

[Guest guest]

My ancesters are from Scotland... and Ireland.  Hope you are enjoying Scotland. 

 

 

 

 

________________________________

Douglas Anderson <djandersonza

 

Friday, February 20, 2009 11:02:56 AM

(unknown)

 

 

" echolike "   wrote:

So, I still couldn't figure out where you live?

 

Was born in Rhodesia, grew up in South Africa, lived all over west and East

sub-saharan Africa (joys of being a geologist) and currently live in Scotland

 

 

[Guest guest]

Just go to the web site and click on files on the left and then click on

recipes. There are thousands of them.

 

M

 

On Fri, Feb 27, 2009 at 10:54 AM, Ryan Porter <mommy_lovin_lifewrote:

 

> Hello everyone! I am just starting out in the group. I hope that I can

> find some good recipes to use!

>

>

>

>

>

[Guest guest]

Qi Gong [chee gong] can add a bit more.

be happy - love all - jim

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Donna- you bring such joy to my spirit!

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[Guest guest]

Linda, congrats on your weight loss and health improvement! That shows a lot

of self-discipline. You can still eat good stuff and keep it up -- these

people have awesome recipes!

 

Audrey S.

 

On Mon, Mar 23, 2009 at 3:17 PM, Linda Richardson <

larichardson1955 wrote:

 

> Hi, all;

> I am a recent convert to veganism for health and weightloss reasons, after

> graduating from the CHIP (Coronary Health Improvemt Project) program. After

> 4 weeks of the program, I lost 9 pounds (have lost total of 16 pounds now

> since I started) and dropped cholesterol from over 200 to 133, as well as

> totally stopping some medications and decreasing others. I want to stay

> with this lifestyle and believe that regular exposure to others who are

> living it, and sharing recipes and tips will help keep me on track over the

> long term. In exchange, I will try to be of help and encouragement to you.

> Linda

>

>

[Guest guest]

I'm not an actual vegetarian either - but I want to be.  I know I feel better

with just veggies.  I am an A blood type too and have found out that A types

should only eat veggies.  I've tried this before and lost alot of weight and

felt like I could run across the US - and never had I ever felt that great, even

as a little child.

 

Wanda in NC

 

--- On Sat, 4/4/09, Greg and Kim Holland <gkholland7 wrote:

 

 

Greg and Kim Holland <gkholland7

(unknown)

 

Saturday, April 4, 2009, 3:44 PM

 

 

 

 

 

 

Hello Group,

I'm not an actual vegeterian. However, I am considering going vegeterian.

Recently I accepted a challenge to eat only vegan for 1 month.. I admit it was a

real challenge but I made throught the 30 days. I read alot of labels and found

out that even items from the freezer case that claim they are a simple veggie

don't always measure up upon close scrutiny. Also I found it difficult to find

recipes for vegans. I don't think being a vegan is for me. Being a vegeterian

would probably suit me better as it is not as strict. It is my thought that this

group may have some good recipes for me to try.

 

 

[Guest guest]

being vegetarian doesn't mean eating only veggies. you gotta get that protein

in there too! i'm not a vegetarian but i eat loads of veggies.

 

I'm A neg - what does that mean? Besides getting a shot when pregnant, lol??

 

xo Bethie

 

, Wanda McGlamery <wamcglamery

wrote:

>

> I'm not an actual vegetarian either - but I want to be.  I know I feel better

with just veggies.  I am an A blood type too and have found out that A types

should only eat veggies.  I've tried this before and lost alot of weight and

felt like I could run across the US - and never had I ever felt that great, even

as a little child.

>

> Wanda in NC

>

[Guest guest]

Have to agree about The China Study - very easy to read and informative. It made me angry to think that this info is out there and most people are blissfully (?!) unaware of it. Surely health professionals must be aware of it though...?The Mad Cowboy is a good read, too.CheersaliceOn 15/04/2009, at 7:48 AM, Mary E. Cotter wrote:"The China Study" is conspicuously absent from your list; it is a must, and I think you will love it. In spite of its daunting title, it is really easy reading -- written almost as the author's personal memoir. He started out as a meat/dairy farmer, and, after what he learned from his own research over a period of many decades, he ended up a vegan. 

[Guest guest]

--- On Tue, 4/14/09, Alice Leonard <alice wrote:Surely health professionals must be aware of it though...?

 

 

Nope. I'm an RN of almost 30 years and no one teaches the kind of information the the China Study has. Most doctors I know are unaware of this information also. We were taught to party line from the American Dietetic and American Heart and American Dairy Associations. It's a shame, but the way things are.

 

Peg

[Guest guest]

Wow. Do you talk to other nurses about it? Are they open to these ideas? Imagine how quickly things could change if this info became part of the medical establishment!On 15/04/2009, at 8:35 AM, Peg Hatley wrote:--- On Tue, 4/14/09, Alice Leonard <alice (AT) angelfood (DOT) co.nz> wrote:Surely health professionals must be aware of it though...?  Nope.  I'm an RN of almost 30 years and no one teaches the kind of information the the China Study has.  Most doctors I know are unaware of this information also.  We were taught to party line from the American Dietetic and American Heart and American Dairy Associations.  It's a shame, but the way things are.  Peg

[Guest guest]

John McDougall is appealing for support of a proposed law in California

that will require medical professionals to provide this type of

information to patients (and presumably be educated in themselves?).

I've lifted his main arguments from his newsletter article below. You

should check out the whole

article for info on who to send letters/emails to and a copy of

John's letter including his usual meticulous research supporting the

issue.

 

Urgent: Support the Proposed New Law in

California

Requiring Doctors to Provide Patients with Information on Diabetes and

Heart Disease

Patients often receive

inadequate and/or incorrect information from their doctors on diabetes

and heart disease. For example, on heart disease, inadequate

information is received on these three important issues:

1) They are told surgery

(angioplasty and bypass) for chronic coronary artery disease is usually

lifesaving, when the scientific research says otherwise.

2) They receive almost no

education about the role of the rich Western diet in the cause of

coronary artery disease and about the right way to eat to prevent it.

3) They are rarely told

that changing to a healthy, low-fat, plant-food based diet will relieve

symptoms of heart disease, including chest pain, and reverse the

underlying disease.

Assembly Bill 1478

has been introduced

by California state assembly member Tom Ammiano, representing the 13th

District, to require that a physician obtain a patient's written

acknowledgment confirming the receipt of information, as specified,

regarding treatment through medical nutrition therapy prior to

delivering nonemergency treatment for heart disease. My supporting

letter on this matter is provided below. Next month’s newsletter will

have a similar letter from me about diabetes treatment and a request

for your support.

 

Peg Hatley wrote:

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

--- On Tue, 4/14/09, Alice Leonard <alice

wrote:

Surely health professionals must be aware of it though...?

 

 

Nope. I'm an RN of almost 30 years and no one teaches the

kind of information the the China Study has. Most doctors I know are

unaware of this information also. We were taught to party line from

the American Dietetic and American Heart and American Dairy

Associations. It's a shame, but the way things are.

 

Peg

[Guest guest]

Most of my nursing colleagues think I'm a fanatic. The current doctrine in pretty firmly ingrained, but things are changing slowly. My doctor, for instance is very knowledgeable about veganism for health reasons.

 

I'm hoping that my coworkers will see how healthy I'm becoming and start to ask questions of their nutritional beliefs. It's one more reason for me to be motivated and stay on track.

 

Peg--- On Tue, 4/14/09, Alice Leonard <alice wrote:

Alice Leonard <aliceRe: (unknown) Date: Tuesday, April 14, 2009, 4:40 PM

 

 

Wow. Do you talk to other nurses about it? Are they open to these ideas? Imagine how quickly things could change if this info became part of the medical establishment!

 

On 15/04/2009, at 8:35 AM, Peg Hatley wrote:

 

 

 

 

 

 

--- On Tue, 4/14/09, Alice Leonard <alice (AT) angelfood (DOT) co.nz> wrote:Surely health professionals must be aware of it though...?

 

 

Nope. I'm an RN of almost 30 years and no one teaches the kind of information the the China Study has. Most doctors I know are unaware of this information also. We were taught to party line from the American Dietetic and American Heart and American Dairy Associations. It's a shame, but the way things are.

 

Peg

[Guest guest]

And medical school typically includes one semester of nutrition with much of the

same info Peg mentioned below. Physicians who have researched it for their own

health would have a clue, but I suspect there are as few of them as there are of

us ff vegans in the general population. It's probably better now than it was 20

years ago though.

 

The other stumbling block is that the vast majority of Americans, at least,

aren't interested in changing their diet much for very long. It's easier to

take a pill or have a cardiac cath done and keep on eating the " good stuff " ,

even though that approach doesn't really help.

 

Mary

 

, Peg Hatley <peghat7 wrote:

>

>

>

> --- On Tue, 4/14/09, Alice Leonard <alice wrote:

> Surely health professionals must be aware of it though...?

> �

> �

> Nope.� I'm an RN of almost 30 years and no one teaches the kind of

information the the China Study has.� Most doctors I know are unaware of this

information also.� We were taught to party line from the American Dietetic and

American Heart and American Dairy Associations.� It's a shame, but the way

things are.�

> �

> Peg

>

[Guest guest]

Do you have a link to the China Study? Some friends of mine, and he is an Eye Surgeon, they are Vegans too!

 

Would like a link on the China Study.

 

Thank you.

Sandy Abernathy

On Tue, Apr 14, 2009 at 3:19 PM, threefatesfiber <maryl4 wrote:

 

 

 

 

 

And medical school typically includes one semester of nutrition with much of the same info Peg mentioned below. Physicians who have researched it for their own health would have a clue, but I suspect there are as few of them as there are of us ff vegans in the general population. It's probably better now than it was 20 years ago though.

The other stumbling block is that the vast majority of Americans, at least, aren't interested in changing their diet much for very long. It's easier to take a pill or have a cardiac cath done and keep on eating the " good stuff " , even though that approach doesn't really help.

Mary , Peg Hatley <peghat7 wrote:>> > > --- On Tue, 4/14/09, Alice Leonard <alice wrote:

> Surely health professionals must be aware of it though...?> �> �> Nope.� I'm an RN of almost 30 years and no one teaches the kind of information the the China Study has.� Most doctors I know are unaware of this information also.� We were taught to party line from the American Dietetic and American Heart and American Dairy Associations.� It's a shame, but the way things are.�

> �> Peg>

[Guest guest]

You'll probably want to get the book, but here's a link to get you

started: http://www.thechinastudy.com/about.html

 

Sandy Abernathy wrote:

 

Do you have a link to the China

Study?

[Guest guest]

i like iherb, vitacost and barry farms.

best to buy as much as possible to avoid lg shipping costs, but still

cheaper than WF or my local health store. Trader Joes, though, beats

everyone if they happen to have what you need, i find.

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+++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++

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[Guest guest]

Tempheh is fermented soybeans.  When I think of soy substitute I think of all

the fake soy-meats like Boca and Morningstar products. 

 

 

 

--- On Thu, 6/18/09, Trena Turner <trenamom2 wrote:

 

Trena Turner <trenamom2

(unknown)

 

Thursday, June 18, 2009, 8:02 AM

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

Isn't tempeh also a soy substitue?  I'm confused. 

 

 

 

 

[Guest guest]

That's good news. He will hopefully now be more open to your ideas, and your diet :-)

 

Jo

 

 

-

Randall Rice

Friday, June 26, 2009 7:18 PM

(unknown)

 

 

 

 

 

 

I have reached a point where I have become just pretty ding-dong-dang natural in what I consume. Very few meat substitutes and I never cared that much for hotdogs anyway. I do however have to cook for my 8 year-old grandson and he loves the darned things. I slipped him a Tofu Pup with a bunch of mustard (he loves mustard on everything) and he was fooled, until I ate one! Then the jig was up because he exclaimed, "Grandpa you don't eat meat!" Of course then it was too late he had already eaten his and couldn't turn up his nose. Sweet victory!

In this world

Hate never yet dispelled hate

Only love dispells hate.

This is the law,

Ancient and inexhaustible.

-- the Dhammapada

[Guest guest]

Hahaha! I've done the same thing to my mom! I've used vegan cheese and meat analogs and all sorts of other things without telling her and she's been none the wiser until after she has eaten and proclaimed it very good. I also got her a vegan cupcake. She isn't big on cake, but will eat it. She said that it was probably the best cupcake she has ever had. She really enjoyed it. She has even been telling her neighbors and friends that her daughter is vegan and that, gee, who knew, the food is really good. She wants me to pick up some extra vegan cupcakes next time I stop at the bakery that sells them so she can have some of her skeptical neighbors try them. My mom will never go vegan (or even vegetarian for that matter), but she IS realizing that a vegan diet isn't bland or boring. And she is more open to trying other vegan dishes. Another bonus is that she is educating her neighbors, too! Missie Harholdand Gracie the Ibizan Houndand Jeanie the Greyhoundgreyhounddog"Life is as dear to a mute creature as it is to a man. Just as one wants happiness and fears pain, just as one wants to live and not to die, so do other creatures." -Dalai Lama of Tibet, His Holiness, The XIV ---- Original Message -----Randall Rice Friday, June 26, 2009 7:18 PM (unknown)I have reached a point where I have become just pretty ding-dong-dang natural in what I consume. Very few meat substitutes and I never cared that much for hotdogs anyway. I do however have to cook for my 8 year-old grandson and he loves the darned things. I slipped him a Tofu Pup with a bunch of mustard (he loves mustard on everything) and he was fooled, until I ate one! Then the jig was up because he exclaimed, "Grandpa you don't eat meat!" Of course then it was too late he had already eaten his and couldn't turn up his nose. Sweet victory! In this worldHate never yet dispelled hateOnly love dispells hate.This is the law,Ancient and inexhaustible. -- the Dhammapada

[Guest guest]

That sounds encouraging. Some people at work that I sometimes lunch with, will

probably not become vegetarian, but several of them are eating a lot less meat

now, probably only twice a week instead of seven times. So all small steps

help, I think.

 

Jo

 

 

, NATASHA HARHOLD <greyhounddog wrote:

>

> Hahaha! I've done the same thing to my mom! I've used vegan cheese

> and meat analogs and all sorts of other things without telling her and

> she's been none the wiser until after she has eaten and proclaimed it

> very good. I also got her a vegan cupcake. She isn't big on cake,

> but will eat it. She said that it was probably the best cupcake she

> has ever had. She really enjoyed it. She has even been telling her

> neighbors and friends that her daughter is vegan and that, gee, who

> knew, the food is really good. She wants me to pick up some extra

> vegan cupcakes next time I stop at the bakery that sells them so she

> can have some of her skeptical neighbors try them. My mom will never

> go vegan (or even vegetarian for that matter), but she IS realizing

> that a vegan diet isn't bland or boring. And she is more open to

> trying other vegan dishes. Another bonus is that she is educating her

> neighbors, too!

>

>

>

>

> Missie Harhold

> and Gracie the Ibizan Hound

> and Jeanie the Greyhound

> greyhounddog

>

>

>

> " Life is as dear to a mute creature as it is to a man. Just as one

> wants happiness and fears pain, just as one wants to live and not to

> die, so do other creatures. "

>

> -Dalai Lama of Tibet, His Holiness, The XIV

>

>

>

> ---- Original Message -----

> Randall Rice

>

> Friday, June 26, 2009 7:18 PM

> (unknown)

>

>

> I have reached a point where I have become just pretty ding-dong-dang

> natural in what I consume. Very few meat substitutes and I never

> cared that much for hotdogs anyway. I do however have to cook for my

> 8 year-old grandson and he loves the darned things. I slipped him a

> Tofu Pup with a bunch of mustard (he loves mustard on everything) and

> he was fooled, until I ate one! Then the jig was up because he

> exclaimed, " Grandpa you don't eat meat! " Of course then it was too

> late he had already eaten his and couldn't turn up his nose. Sweet

> victory!

>

> In this world

> Hate never yet dispelled hate

> Only love dispells hate.

> This is the law,

> Ancient and inexhaustible.

> -- the Dhammapada

>

[Guest guest]

that is funny and a great win for vegans who have to feed non-vegans around the

world!

 

hilarious.

 

, " jo.heartwork " <jo.heartwork wrote:

>

> That's good news. He will hopefully now be more open to your ideas, and your

diet :-)

>

> Jo

>

> -

> Randall Rice

>

> Friday, June 26, 2009 7:18 PM

> (unknown)

>

>

>

>

>

> I have reached a point where I have become just pretty ding-dong-dang

natural in what I consume. Very few meat substitutes and I never cared that

much for hotdogs anyway. I do however have to cook for my 8 year-old grandson

and he loves the darned things. I slipped him a Tofu Pup with a bunch of

mustard (he loves mustard on everything) and he was fooled, until I ate one!

Then the jig was up because he exclaimed, " Grandpa you don't eat meat! " Of

course then it was too late he had already eaten his and couldn't turn up his

nose. Sweet victory!

>

>

> In this world

> Hate never yet dispelled hate

> Only love dispells hate.

> This is the law,

> Ancient and inexhaustible.

> -- the Dhammapada

>

[Guest guest]

hello and welcome lancia

Vegans refrain from all animal products. which means not only eating, but also clothing, etc.

no dairy, no eggs, and no insect products. in the same vein, that also means not wearing leather or wool. silk is included. etc and so forth

vegetarians in generally aren't as strict and refrain from eating flesh, while allowing dairy, eggs. some eat cheese, some don't. some claim vegetarian and eat chicken or fish, which technically means they are not vegetarian, but they make up new terms like pescaterian for em.

cheers

fraggle

Lancia Lee Jun 29, 2009 2:38 AM (unknown)

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

Hi everybody , I'm Lancia from Indonesia. It's nice to be able to join with this group of Vegans. I'm a vegetarian, but I'm still confused with the definition between vegetarian and

Vegan. Once my doctor suggested me to keep eating dairy products and eggs for a better health, cause I'm a woman (You know Woman loose much blood everymonth), unless I get anemia. Could you give me some information about vegan and vegetarian ?

 

Thanks

Lancia

 

 

 

 

 

 

So, men are scattered and smeared over the desert grass,

And the generals have accomplished nothing.

 

-Nefarious War

Li Po (Circa 750)

[Guest guest]

Hi everyone,I was looking at this email and I realized it's difficult to find things shoes especially that don't contain leather if I were not to go all the way with being a vegan what would I be called? Not that it matters I'm just curious. I wouldn't be eating dairy eggs or any other animal products, but I don't know if I want to worry about the expense of throwing out my tennis shoes considering I'm in college and don't have the money to buy more right now. Am I a bad vegan?fraggle <EBbrewpunx Sent: Monday, June 29, 2009 10:10:06 AMRe: (unknown)

 

 

hello and welcome lancia

Vegans refrain from all animal products. which means not only eating, but also clothing, etc.

no dairy, no eggs, and no insect products. in the same vein, that also means not wearing leather or wool. silk is included. etc and so forth

vegetarians in generally aren't as strict and refrain from eating flesh, while allowing dairy, eggs. some eat cheese, some don't. some claim vegetarian and eat chicken or fish, which technically means they are not vegetarian, but they make up new terms like pescaterian for em.

cheers

fraggle

Lancia Lee Jun 29, 2009 2:38 AM @gro ups.com (unknown)

 

 

 

 

Hi everybody ,  I'm Lancia from Indonesia. It's nice to be able to join with this group of Vegans. I'm a vegetarian, but I'm still confused with the definition between vegetarian and

Vegan. Once my doctor suggested me to keep eating dairy products and eggs for a better health, cause I'm a woman (You know Woman loose much blood everymonth), unless I get anemia. Could you give me some information about vegan and vegetarian ?

 

Thanks

Lancia

 

So, men are scattered and smeared over the desert grass,

And the generals have accomplished nothing.

 

-Nefarious War

Li Po (Circa 750)

[Guest guest]

Hi SarahIf you're worried about labels, then if you eat a vegan diet but continue to wear leather, then you'd be a dietary vegan...Personally, when I went vegan I kept all my old leather stuff until it wore out. I actually still have a suit that I've had for over 12 years which is 40% wool - I don't see any point in adding to landfill and doing more environmental damage by throwing perfectly usable stuff away. But when I replace that suit it won't have any animal ingredients...

BBPeter2009/6/29 Sarah Tomecek <sarah.tomecek

 

 

Hi everyone,I was looking at this email and I realized it's difficult to find things shoes especially that don't contain leather if I were not to go all the way with being a vegan what would I be called? Not that it matters I'm just curious. I wouldn't be eating dairy eggs or any other animal products, but I don't know if I want to worry about the expense of throwing out my tennis shoes considering I'm in college and don't have the money to buy more right now. Am I a bad vegan?

 

fraggle <EBbrewpunx

Monday, June 29, 2009 10:10:06 AMRe: (unknown)

 

 

hello and welcome lancia

Vegans refrain from all animal products. which means not only eating, but also clothing, etc.

no dairy, no eggs, and no insect products. in the same vein, that also means not wearing leather or wool. silk is included. etc and so forth

vegetarians in generally aren't as strict and refrain from eating flesh, while allowing dairy, eggs. some eat cheese, some don't. some claim vegetarian and eat chicken or fish, which technically means they are not vegetarian, but they make up new terms like pescaterian for em.

cheers

fraggle

Lancia Lee Jun 29, 2009 2:38 AM @gro ups.com

(unknown)

 

 

 

 

Hi everybody ,  I'm Lancia from Indonesia. It's nice to be able to join with this group of Vegans. I'm a vegetarian, but I'm still confused with the definition between vegetarian and

Vegan. Once my doctor suggested me to keep eating dairy products and eggs for a better health, cause I'm a woman (You know Woman loose much blood everymonth), unless I get anemia. Could you give me some information about vegan and vegetarian ?

 

Thanks

Lancia So, men are scattered and smeared over the desert grass,

And the generals have accomplished nothing.

 

-Nefarious War

Li Po (Circa 750)

[Guest guest]

Hey Sarah!

 

I think a lot of us have been in that position at one point or another.  There are times when expenses still dictate that we purchase something that is not 100% vegan because it doesn't fit in our budget to buy the vegan version of whatever it is.  I will say, however, that planning ahead helps a lot- we do a lot of internet research to find good vegan retailers (internet shopping is a godsend a great deal of the time) and by planning ahead, we can save for the items we really want to buy.   It takes practice, but it is doable, even on a limited budget.

 

Hope that helps!

On Mon, Jun 29, 2009 at 12:54 PM, Peter Kebbell <metalscarab wrote:

 

 

 

 

 

Hi SarahIf you're worried about labels, then if you eat a vegan diet but continue to wear leather, then you'd be a dietary vegan...Personally, when I went vegan I kept all my old leather stuff until it wore out. I actually still have a suit that I've had for over 12 years which is 40% wool - I don't see any point in adding to landfill and doing more environmental damage by throwing perfectly usable stuff away. But when I replace that suit it won't have any animal ingredients...

BBPeter

2009/6/29 Sarah Tomecek <sarah.tomecek

 

 

 

 

 

Hi everyone,

I was looking at this email and I realized it's difficult to find things shoes especially that don't contain leather if I were not to go all the way with being a vegan what would I be called? Not that it matters I'm just curious. I wouldn't be eating dairy eggs or any other animal products, but I don't know if I want to worry about the expense of throwing out my tennis shoes considering I'm in college and don't have the money to buy more right now. Am I a bad vegan?

 

 

 

 

 

fraggle <EBbrewpunx

Monday, June 29, 2009 10:10:06 AMRe: (unknown)

 

 

hello and welcome lancia

Vegans refrain from all animal products. which means not only eating, but also clothing, etc.

no dairy, no eggs, and no insect products. in the same vein, that also means not wearing leather or wool. silk is included. etc and so forth

vegetarians in generally aren't as strict and refrain from eating flesh, while allowing dairy, eggs. some eat cheese, some don't. some claim vegetarian and eat chicken or fish, which technically means they are not vegetarian, but they make up new terms like pescaterian for em.

cheers

fraggle

Lancia Lee Jun 29, 2009 2:38 AM @gro ups.com

(unknown)

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

Hi everybody ,  I'm Lancia from Indonesia. It's nice to be able to join with this group of Vegans. I'm a vegetarian, but I'm still confused with the definition between vegetarian and

Vegan. Once my doctor suggested me to keep eating dairy products and eggs for a better health, cause I'm a woman (You know Woman loose much blood everymonth), unless I get anemia. Could you give me some information about vegan and vegetarian ?

 

Thanks

Lancia

So, men are scattered and smeared over the desert grass,

And the generals have accomplished nothing.

 

-Nefarious War

Li Po (Circa 750)

[Guest guest]

Use your animal products until they are worn out - that is more environmentally

friendly. You can use the time from now until then finding alternatives. Good

luck on the shoe front - if you are like me with wide feet you will not be able

to find vegan shoes that you can wear. You may be able to find plastic ones. I

don't know how you will fare with sports shoes - maybe you could let us know.

 

Jo

 

, Sarah Tomecek <sarah.tomecek wrote:

>

> Hi everyone,

> I was looking at this email and I realized it's difficult to find things shoes

especially that don't contain leather if I were not to go all the way with being

a vegan what would I be called? Not that it matters I'm just curious. I wouldn't

be eating dairy eggs or any other animal products, but I don't know if I want to

worry about the expense of throwing out my tennis shoes considering I'm in

college and don't have the money to buy more right now. Am I a bad vegan?

>

>

>

>

>

> ________________________________

> fraggle <EBbrewpunx

>

> Monday, June 29, 2009 10:10:06 AM

> Re: (unknown)

>

>

>

>

>

> hello and welcome lancia

> Vegans refrain from all animal products. which means not only eating, but also

clothing, etc.

> no dairy, no eggs, and no insect products. in the same vein, that also means

not wearing leather or wool. silk is included. etc and so forth

> vegetarians in generally aren't as strict and refrain from eating flesh, while

allowing dairy, eggs. some eat cheese, some don't. some claim vegetarian and eat

chicken or fish, which technically means they are not vegetarian, but they make

up new terms like pescaterian for em.

> cheers

> fraggle

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> >Lancia Lee

> >Jun 29, 2009 2:38 AM

> >@gro ups.com

> > (unknown)

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> >Hi everybody , I'm Lancia from Indonesia. It's nice to be able to join with

this group of Vegans. I'm a vegetarian, but I'm still confused with the

definition between vegetarian and

> >Vegan. Once my doctor suggested me to keep eating dairy products and eggs for

a better health, cause I'm a woman (You know Woman loose much blood everymonth),

unless I get anemia. Could you give me some information about vegan and

vegetarian ?

> >

> >Thanks

> >Lancia

> >

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> So, men are scattered and smeared over the desert grass,

> And the generals have accomplished nothing.

>

> -Nefarious War

> Li Po (Circa 750)

>