Re:If I weren't there, I wouldn't have believed it

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I have a friend who is also very overweight & a vegetarian (I myself am

about 50 lbs. overweight). Since I began juicing, the pounds are melting

away. I have a at home bench & use videos (yoga; low-impact aerobics &

weight training). I am 54 & also have joined an outside small gym. House

cleaning also helps me dissolve stress & loose weight. But, I do have some

major bad habits (wine) that I have decided to put a stop to. In any case,

I went on line to find out more about the protein issue for vegans. Here is

one link that looks good:

 

http://www.vrg.org/nutrition/protein.htm#table2

 

I love Tempeh. and will grill it with onions, garlic & anything else I can

think of. (I don't measure things, but am trying to for the benefit of all.

- Next time I cook a Tempeh stir fry I'll get the proportions.) Tempeh is

protein rich as is Tofu. Tofu is much blander, but, takes on the taste of

what is cooked with it, so you can make some very delicious tofu-inspired

meals.

 

Another link from the Mayo Clinic:

 

http://www.mayoclinic.com/health/vegetarian-diet/HQ01596

 

It has some very good advice & substitutions for dairy for vegans. I hope

these help in your quest to offer your doctor some good vegan alternatives

to her desire to help you!

 

Kim

 

 

 

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Hi Sparrow,

 

I'm happy to see you've had some good replies to

this problem. I wish I could offer more than they

have, and the suggestions are so wise that

anything I can say will only build on those.

 

I did think, about the fibre, that it's very hard

to get too much fibre unless you're munching on

it constantly. You know best what your eating

habits are - but I doubt that you do that.

 

About the 1000 calories: I couldn't do it easily

early in the morning, but I suppose you could

work up to it - ie. work it up over a couple of

weeks so that your main meal was indeed

breakfast. If it were me I would eat 'dinner' for

breakfast, lunch for lunch, and then breakfast

for 'dinner'. There are no rules that say you

have to eat, say, cereal in the morning and beans

at night

 

'Bio-Available' I *think* means that some

nutritional thingie (like protein) might be in a

certain food, but that the body somehow can't use

it because the form it takes in that food

prevents it. She was saying that there may be

protein in beans but not protein your body can

access and make use of. Of course if so she is

mistaken, but many people think that way. They

believe animal protein is better and more easily

assimilated. Another point is that you don't say

how much protein per day - in grammes - she

thinks you need. Maybe she didn't say either

My point is that we need far less protein than

was originally thought years ago. But that's

another topic altogether!

 

About the argument over your veganism. Well of

course that's unacceptable, but trying to put

myself in the position of the other person giving

you the hassle (ugghhhh!) I thought she might

think: 'Is this person (meaning you, Sparrow)

going to benefit from all this help or is she

going to go back to or on with her usual eating

pattern - which I don't approve of' - or

something like that. (Now let me outta that

head!)

 

People have some strange ideas about vegans, I

know, and we seem to be considered either totally

irresponsible in their eyes or total nutters. As

for veganism (or vegetarianism) for religious

reasons, such people figure health should always

come first - and that their telling you that you

*must* eat meat for your health is letting you

off the hook with regard to any religious

prohibitions against it. (And of course that's a

matter between you and your conscience and they

KNOW that too! It's not logical of them.) I can't

argue the religious aspects of veganism since I

just don't do religion, but I know there are many

people here who are vegan or vegetarian for

religious reasons just as there are those who are

vegan or vegetarian for equally strong but other

reasons. (I'm vegan for the animals, for

example.) You're not alone.

 

I'm sure others will be able to help better -

some already have, as I say. One thing I

wondered: you say you are aware some might not

approve the 'medical model of weight-loss'. Not

sure what that is at all. Do you mean following

Doctor's orders? Or do you mean medication to

help with weight loss? Or do you mean surgical

procedures? Just wondering.

 

Love and hugs, Pat

 

 

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On 12/28/07, Patricia Sant <drpatsant wrote:

>

> One thing I

> wondered: you say you are aware some might not

> approve the 'medical model of weight-loss'. Not

> sure what that is at all. Do you mean following

> Doctor's orders? Or do you mean medication to

> help with weight loss? Or do you mean surgical

> procedures? Just wondering.

 

I mean that I view obesity as a disease. Several interrelated

diseases, actually, since there are several different causes for

obesity. I had my thyroid tested and will be finding out the results

of that test late in January, but to have other hormone levels

checked, I have to go through this counseling first.

 

I do believe my obesity is hormone related because it was a very

sudden increase linked to pregnancy. All my life, I was in a healthy

BMI range without even having to think about it. I ate when hungry, I

lived my normal life, and my weight stayed at the same normal, low,

healthy point.

 

When I became pregnant, I gained 90 pounds in five months. After

delivery, my weight only went down twenty pounds (eleven of which were

baby! Probably undetected gestational diabetes.) and I couldn't shake

the other 70. Within another five months, I gained another 80 pounds.

The story goes on from there, but I don't want to bore you.

 

The point of it is, that amount of seriously rapid weight gain (150

pounds in less than a year!!!), at a time of hormonal changes, points

me toward a medical cause which suggests a medical solution. I lost my

menstrual periods and my hair is falling out. I need to grit my teeth

and bear with this lifestyle counselor so that I can qualify for more

testing and, hopefully, a way to get my life back. Reduced calories

and increased exercise have not worked. It's time for medical

intervention.

 

Sparrow

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Hi Sparrow,

 

In reply to my query about 'the medical model of

weightloss' you say:

 

> I mean that I view obesity as a disease.

> Several interrelated

> diseases, actually, since there are several

> different causes for

> obesity. I had my thyroid tested and will be

> finding out the results

> of that test late in January, but to have other

> hormone levels

> checked, I have to go through this counseling

> first.

 

Oh of course - of course - silly of me. Put my

stupidity in missing your meaning down to

'cultural difference', please, not a hassle! And

no, I'm not suggesting that Canada doesn't

understand, I'm saying that I have spent half my

adult life outside North America and sometimes

different ways of expression or of thought are

confusing to me I thought you were talking

about surgical intervention, maybe, and if not

that then what, etc. etc.

 

And, frankly, it isn't really up to anyone here

(or elsewhere) to agree or disagree with the

'medical model' as you describe it. It is a fact

that obesity has many causes. It is wise to get

checked out to find out what your particular

problem is. Good for you!!! *hugs* You've had a

hard time and it continues.

 

> need to grit my teeth

> and bear with this lifestyle counselor so that

> I can qualify for more

> testing and, hopefully, a way to get my life

> back.

 

You're a stronger woman than I - I'd probably

have decked her by now LOL (Well, no, not really,

but I'd have felt like it - much against all my

principles. Some people do strain one's

philosophical position, don't they!)

 

Anyway, hon, good luck with all that. I'll be

thinking of you. I hope this new year will see

things turning around for you.

 

Love and hugs, Pat

 

 

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http://beanvegan.blogspot.com

Vegan World Cuisine: http://www.care2.com/c2cvegworld

Vegetarian Spice:

Vegetarian Slimming: vegetarianslimming

Vegetarians In Canada: vegetariansincanada

'To cultivate kindness is a valuable part of the business of life.'

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On 12/31/07, Patricia Sant <drpatsant wrote:

>

>I thought you were talking

> about surgical intervention, maybe, and if not

> that then what, etc. etc.

 

I've recently become more receptive to surgical intervention (but only

the less invasive and completely reversible banding procedure. I'm

still terrified of the thought of bypass because it's such a radical

body change and usually leads to nutrition problems. No offense

intended to anyone who has had bypass surgery.)

 

But I want to try everything else first. Surgery is a course of

ultimate last resort, in my mind, because that is such a serious

decision. I'm hoping that hormone replacement/adjustment, combined

with the care I've been taking already with eating and exercise, will

be as deep as I need to delve to fix the problem.

 

Sparrow

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Hello,

I was just reading posts and came across yours. I see that your

contimplating having the surgery. I thought about it myself but am

going to try, once again to do it the natural way. I do want to

leave you my thoughts on it though. Not to offend anyone that has

had the gastric bypass though. Most of my friends have had different

kinds of weightloss surgery. My best friends had the old fashion

bypass. One of them just had it a few months ago and has lost 100

lbs. He had alot of problems with healing in the beginning, he is

doing good now but still has a way to go. My other friend has went

through all the surgeries that you get post weightloss. She looks

great on the outside but she has sooooo many scars from problems.

She has to go through iron transfusions every three months which she

doesnt have insurance so she has been skipping them so now she chews

ice constantly, and has broke a couple of teeth. If she doesnt get

the required protein for awhile she starts to lose her hair. Yes all

of these symptoms may be rare but I just wanted to let you know.

Then a couple of friends have had the banding. They are fine and

losing. And like you said, that one is reversable. Im not into pain

at all, cant stand it so I would go that route if and when I decide

to do any surgery. I have a problem with quantitys of food when I

eat so that would control it. But my other problem is that I eat

very fast, that would be my problem. My friend that just had it was

eating like normal pace and ended up on the ground on her back

moving around in pain in her chest area trying to get the food to

move to the pouch. She learned real quick she said that its all

about how slow and how well you chew your food. So I know I have

rambled on, just wanted to give you some more info. Good luck with

what ever you choose, if you choose one of the surgerys.

Have a great day!

Terri

 

, " Sparrow R Jones "

<sparrowrose wrote:

>

> On 12/31/07, Patricia Sant <drpatsant wrote:

> >

> >I thought you were talking

> > about surgical intervention, maybe, and if not

> > that then what, etc. etc.

>

> I've recently become more receptive to surgical intervention (but

only

> the less invasive and completely reversible banding procedure. I'm

> still terrified of the thought of bypass because it's such a

radical

> body change and usually leads to nutrition problems. No offense

> intended to anyone who has had bypass surgery.)

>

> But I want to try everything else first. Surgery is a course of

> ultimate last resort, in my mind, because that is such a serious

> decision. I'm hoping that hormone replacement/adjustment, combined

> with the care I've been taking already with eating and exercise,

will

> be as deep as I need to delve to fix the problem.

>

> Sparrow

>

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--- Sparrow R Jones <sparrowrose

wrote:

> I've recently become more receptive to surgical

> intervention (but only

> the less invasive and completely reversible

> banding procedure.

 

Okay - that sounds pretty sensible - not that I

know much about it except what I've read or seen

on TV. No one I know has ever had any kind of

surgery for weightloss (not to say some of them

haven't contemplated it).

 

> But I want to try everything else first.

 

Of course.

 

> I'm hoping that hormone

> replacement/adjustment, combined

> with the care I've been taking already with

> eating and exercise, will

> be as deep as I need to delve to fix the

> problem.

 

Keeping my fingers crossed for you. Good luck

with the wicked witch of the counselling 'help'

too! Let us know what's decided, okay? (Yes, I

know that this isn't a 'health' group as such,

but most of us care about our health and I think

a lot of people will be interested in what you

learn and what you decide )

 

Love and hugs, Pat

 

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Dr Patricia M. Sant

http://beanvegan.blogspot.com

Vegan World Cuisine: http://www.care2.com/c2cvegworld

Vegetarian Spice:

Vegetarian Slimming: vegetarianslimming

Vegetarians In Canada: vegetariansincanada

'To cultivate kindness is a valuable part of the business of life.'

Samuel Johnson (1709-1784)

 

 

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