Re:If I weren't there, I wouldn't have believed it.. Surgery

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I do know 2 ladies at work who had the surgery (band)and 1 friend of

mine who had the surgery .

 

Both of the girls at work lost a lot of weight. One of the girls is

now having severe problems even now 2 years later. She has no iron,

he blood work is messed up. She can't eat a meal.. only bites, she

is sick all the time and barely can hold down the food she can eat.

She get's numb sensations etc.. and she said she would not change it

for the world. She said she would rather die of this than from being

big.

 

The other lady at work doesn't report any major problems.

 

My close friend who had a differnt surgery about 5 years abck almost

died several times . She lost weight FAST. She got a staph infection

in the drain tubes and inside. They had to cut off half of her skin

and muscles on her abs. 4 surgeries later she survied. She was out

of work for 15 months. 3 years later she gained half of the weight

back. Her body is ruined with scares and portions of her body cut

out. She never has been totally healthy since.

 

 

I am not giving advice or a opinion I am just telling you the 3

experiences that I know about. I hope not to offend or upset you.

 

Everyones body will react differntly to surgery.

Always remmber we all all difernt and life would be un -unique if we

all looked the same,smiled the same,laughed the same.

 

 

, " Sparrow R Jones "

<sparrowrose wrote:

>

> On 12/28/07, Patricia Sant <drpatsant wrote:

> >

> > One thing I

> > wondered: you say you are aware some might not

> > approve the 'medical model of weight-loss'. Not

> > sure what that is at all. Do you mean following

> > Doctor's orders? Or do you mean medication to

> > help with weight loss? Or do you mean surgical

> > procedures? Just wondering.

>

> I mean that I view obesity as a disease. Several interrelated

> diseases, actually, since there are several different causes for

> obesity. I had my thyroid tested and will be finding out the

results

> of that test late in January, but to have other hormone levels

> checked, I have to go through this counseling first.

>

> I do believe my obesity is hormone related because it was a very

> sudden increase linked to pregnancy. All my life, I was in a

healthy

> BMI range without even having to think about it. I ate when

hungry, I

> lived my normal life, and my weight stayed at the same normal, low,

> healthy point.

>

> When I became pregnant, I gained 90 pounds in five months. After

> delivery, my weight only went down twenty pounds (eleven of which

were

> baby! Probably undetected gestational diabetes.) and I couldn't

shake

> the other 70. Within another five months, I gained another 80

pounds.

> The story goes on from there, but I don't want to bore you.

>

> The point of it is, that amount of seriously rapid weight gain (150

> pounds in less than a year!!!), at a time of hormonal changes,

points

> me toward a medical cause which suggests a medical solution. I

lost my

> menstrual periods and my hair is falling out. I need to grit my

teeth

> and bear with this lifestyle counselor so that I can qualify for

more

> testing and, hopefully, a way to get my life back. Reduced calories

> and increased exercise have not worked. It's time for medical

> intervention.

>

> Sparrow

>

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On 1/2/08, rchaloune <rchaloune wrote:

>

> I am not giving advice or a opinion I am just telling you the 3

> experiences that I know about. I hope not to offend or upset you.

 

You don't offend or upset me, because I have done my research,

including the massive twelve-year outcome study done in Australia and

have been trained in understanding statistics. Anecdotes are helpful

to a degree, but cannot replace statistics for understanding the true

potential risks and potential benefits of a procedure.

 

Thanks!

Sparrow

[Guest guest]

Very good than...follow your heart

 

Sparrow R Jones <sparrowrose wrote: On 1/2/08, rchaloune

<rchaloune wrote:

>

> I am not giving advice or a opinion I am just telling you the 3

> experiences that I know about. I hope not to offend or upset you.

 

You don't offend or upset me, because I have done my research,

including the massive twelve-year outcome study done in Australia and

have been trained in understanding statistics. Anecdotes are helpful

to a degree, but cannot replace statistics for understanding the true

potential risks and potential benefits of a procedure.

 

Thanks!

Sparrow

 

 

 

 

 

 

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[Guest guest]

On 1/2/08, Robin Chaloune <rchaloune wrote:

>

> Very good than...follow your heart

 

Tempered by my brain, of course. :-)

 

I just found out this morning that I have full-blown diabetes. My

fasting blood glucose level was 200. I went back to the medical

journals as a result and found out that the ADA (American Diabetes

Association) recommends bariatric surgery as a potential cure for

diabetes. One year after surgery, 66% of diabetics were in full

remission, off all medications, with normal blood sugars as compared

to 2% of the control group who were using medication and lifestyle

changes. Two years post surgery, 80% of diabetics were in remission,

compared to 8% of the control group.

 

For my own anecdotes, I have my grandmother who went blind and her

brother who had both his legs amputated, both due to diabetes. I've

watched the course of the disease in nearly every member of my family.

It's an ugly thing.

 

But that's the heart speaking and, as I said, I try to always temper

it with the results of my brain so I'm back to the medical journals

again tonight and so grateful for all the training in interpreting

statistics and reading studies critically that I got through my

economics degree.

 

If I could leave everyone on this list with one thought, it's to get

your medical tests done regularly. My research shows me that the

proper tests - which I was never given - could have detected this

problem coming years ago and the results would have urged doctors to

take my case more seriously and help me (instead of leaving me alone

and unsupervised to diet and exercise myself into the hospital twice

since 2001. And then continuing to ignore my health needs.)

 

Get regular check-ups and get the important tests done! I finally have

a good doctor and when she looked at my charts and saw all the

important health tests I'd never been given, she was amazed and looked

almost angry. Take care of your health and be aware! And make your

doctors listen to you: it's what they're paid for.

 

*climbs back off the soap box*

 

Sparrow

[Guest guest]

Oh wow, hon - this is a shock. I've written you

privately, so you'll have my uninformed response

alread (Just saw this post after I'd

written.) Luckily, you have researched the field

pretty well - good for you!

 

Take care of yourself, take a deep breath, and .

.. . well, just take care, okay?

 

Love and huge hugs, Pat

--- Sparrow R Jones <sparrowrose

wrote:

 

> On 1/2/08, Robin Chaloune <rchaloune

> wrote:

> >

> > Very good than...follow your heart

>

> Tempered by my brain, of course. :-)

>

> I just found out this morning that I have

> full-blown diabetes. My

> fasting blood glucose level was 200. I went

> back to the medical

> journals as a result and found out that the ADA

> (American Diabetes

> Association) recommends bariatric surgery as a

> potential cure for

> diabetes. One year after surgery, 66% of

> diabetics were in full

> remission, off all medications, with normal

> blood sugars as compared

> to 2% of the control group who were using

> medication and lifestyle

> changes. Two years post surgery, 80% of

> diabetics were in remission,

> compared to 8% of the control group.

>

> For my own anecdotes, I have my grandmother who

> went blind and her

> brother who had both his legs amputated, both

> due to diabetes. I've

> watched the course of the disease in nearly

> every member of my family.

> It's an ugly thing.

>

> But that's the heart speaking and, as I said, I

> try to always temper

> it with the results of my brain so I'm back to

> the medical journals

> again tonight and so grateful for all the

> training in interpreting

> statistics and reading studies critically that

> I got through my

> economics degree.

>

> If I could leave everyone on this list with one

> thought, it's to get

> your medical tests done regularly. My research

> shows me that the

> proper tests - which I was never given - could

> have detected this

> problem coming years ago and the results would

> have urged doctors to

> take my case more seriously and help me

> (instead of leaving me alone

> and unsupervised to diet and exercise myself

> into the hospital twice

> since 2001. And then continuing to ignore my

> health needs.)

>

> Get regular check-ups and get the important

> tests done! I finally have

> a good doctor and when she looked at my charts

> and saw all the

> important health tests I'd never been given,

> she was amazed and looked

> almost angry. Take care of your health and be

> aware! And make your

> doctors listen to you: it's what they're paid

> for.

>

> *climbs back off the soap box*

>

> Sparrow

>

 

 

----

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Sparrow R Jones <sparrowrose wrote: I

just found out this morning that I have full-blown diabetes. My

fasting blood glucose level was 200. I went back to the medical

journals as a result and found out that the ADA (American Diabetes

Association) recommends bariatric surgery as a potential cure for

diabetes. One year after surgery, 66% of diabetics were in full

remission, off all medications, with normal blood sugars as compared

to 2% of the control group who were using medication and lifestyle

changes. Two years post surgery, 80% of diabetics were in remission,

compared to 8% of the control group.

 

 

 

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This is my experience -- I'm off diabetes meds, and my blood

sugar is normal. My triglycerides and cholesterol are normal, too, no more meds

for the cholesterol. I have two friends who have been fat acceptance activists

for years who are both getting bypass to take care of their diabetes problem.

 

Lisa