Newbie!

[Guest guest]

I am also new here.... I would love to see any new recipes that you have. I enjoyed looking through the archives and copied a few recipes to try out later. I hope to see some new things soon as I just bought a crockpot and am almost looking forward to the hot summer coming up since with the crockpot I won't have all the heat in the kitchen that I used to from the stove and the oven.

 

Hope to hear from this list soon!

Allison Murphey

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kkachado writes:

 

Thought I would introduce myself. My name is Kim and I live in Ann

Arbor MI - not a U of M fan...another story1

 

 

Hi Kim! Welcome to all the newbies, there have been a lot lately!

I live in Ann Arbor too, not U of M fan either. Now that the students have

gone home we can enjoy the city again for a few months! Amy

 

 

 

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[Guest guest]

Welcome Abagail!

 

I'm new to raw too, and fairly new here. There's been a lot of discord

lately. I hope you are good with your delete key. There's also good info here

and I've saved a few recipes that look good.

 

I'm finding the transition a bit difficult. I'm not going to do it just all of

a sudden, one day. I've decided that I'm going to plan and make one recipe a

week, for a start, then increase it. That's in addition to the raw things I

already eat, like smoothies and nuts and fruit, and I always have a container of

vegetables in the refrigerator to pick from if I get hungry. I'm lucky, I've

always loved vegetables. My big problem is my taste for sweets, so I think I

will start with the dessert recipes. They look really good and I hope they will

wean me away from the really junky food.

 

Alex

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

[Guest guest]

> I'm finding the transition a bit difficult. I'm not going to do it

just all of a sudden, one day. I've decided that I'm going to plan

and make one recipe a week, for a start, then increase it. That's in

addition to the raw things I already eat, like smoothies and nuts and

fruit, and I always have a container of vegetables in the

refrigerator to pick from if I get hungry. I'm lucky, I've always

loved vegetables. My big problem is my taste for sweets, so I think

I will start with the dessert recipes. They look really good and I

hope they will wean me away from the really junky food.

>

> Alex

 

Alex, good for you! Perhaps the BEST advice I have heard, that

corresponds with what you're saying, is that it's much easier to ADD

to your diet when transitioning, than it is to forbid yourself of

certain foods. The more raw you add, the less you'll desire the other

stuff. :-) Green smoothies are sweet and very filling. And other raw

foodists have sworn by carrying an avocado around with them in their

bag and/or carrying a sweet treat like date balls around with them,

even for the first year of transitioning. It saved them. Follow your

instincts. erica

[Guest guest]

Hi Alex,

 

 

 

Thanks for the kind welcome!

 

I have a couple Raw info/recipe books coming in the mail soon that I am

planning on reading before I start anything! I don't eat much raw unless I

finish a banana or apple my kids don't eat. So this will be a huge change

for me!!! I like most every fruit out there, but the veggies will be a bit

hard. Hopefully my tastes will change with my diet change. I just came off

the Atkins diet that my husband and I have been on for a few months. I lost

about 15lbs or so, but I got really bored with it and stopped losing weight.

I have at least 30 more pounds that I would like to lose to get back to my

pre-marriage weight!!! I am going to be very careful in my transition as I

do not want to make myself sick (as a mom, I can't take a sick day), I just

want to be healthy and happy for once.

 

 

 

-Abagail

 

 

 

_____

 

rawfood [rawfood ] On Behalf Of

Alex Knight

Saturday, October 27, 2007 10:31 AM

rawfood

Re: [Raw Food] Newbie!

 

 

 

Welcome Abagail!

 

I'm new to raw too, and fairly new here. There's been a lot of discord

lately. I hope you are good with your delete key. There's also good info

here and I've saved a few recipes that look good.

 

I'm finding the transition a bit difficult. I'm not going to do it just all

of a sudden, one day. I've decided that I'm going to plan and make one

recipe a week, for a start, then increase it. That's in addition to the raw

things I already eat, like smoothies and nuts and fruit, and I always have a

container of vegetables in the refrigerator to pick from if I get hungry.

I'm lucky, I've always loved vegetables. My big problem is my taste for

sweets, so I think I will start with the dessert recipes. They look really

good and I hope they will wean me away from the really junky food.

 

Alex

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

[Guest guest]

Erica,

 

I like that thought, of adding rather than subtracting. I am craving, and

eating, sweets now as if I hadn't had them in years, and that is not good, at

least not for very long.

 

I saw organic avocados in the store this weekend but didn't buy them. I know

there are recipes with them but the last time I tasted one was many years ago,

in the form of guacamole. They're sort of foreign to me. Dates? Sound yucky.

I've found them in the store too but haven't had the whatever-it-takes to buy

them. Maybe you can tell, I don't take to new things well. Something to work

on...

 

What are dates, anyway? Are they a kind of dried fruit by another name? They

look like prunes, I think.

 

There seem to be a lot of recipes for green smoothies. Is there a group of

things that are always in green smoothies? If they're tasty and filling, I'll

probably end of having a lot of them, once I've got them figured out. Until

recently, I was having Spirutein shakes whenever I really needed to fill up, but

my healer suggested quitting dairy (and she also suggested going raw) to feel

better. Without all that milk and Spirutein, I am feeling much better. But

hungry. Hungry.

 

 

Alex

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Hi Alex,

Make friends with dates! I think they're awesome and taste like

toffee. Nature's candy. But go easy on them. I like to think of them

as a transitional food. If I have intense sugar cravings I have just

one date eaten slowly and that seems to take care of it. And

avocadoes have been my life saver in my transition to more salads.

I find my salads something to look forward to, with half a delicious

creamy avocado cut up into it.

 

I read recently in '12 Steps to Raw' by Victoria Boutenko, that in

the beginning stages of going raw you WILL feel hungry. Your insides

are coated in mucus so you are not absorbing the nutrients from your

food. Which is what causes you to overeat and eat the wrong foods.

If you give your body a chance to adjust, you'll soon find yourself

looking forward to your fruit and veg. And then your body will need

soooo much less food.

 

I've been off raw foods for a couple of days and have found my

hunger has increased incredibly. I crave wheat and sugar with a

vengance and can't get enough of it. I'm just never full. And now

suddenly anything raw seems repulsive again. I think after a day of

jusice fasting I'll be back looking forward to the taste of juicy

fruit and greens. My mind is just in rebellion mode right now!

 

I would suggest just going slowly, trying things out for taste and

if they don't seem tasty to you right now, leave them alone and eat

what appeals to you. Your taste buds are going to change over time.

I find myself munching on celery now, whereas before I found it

horrible.

 

Katya.

 

 

 

> I saw organic avocados in the store this weekend but didn't buy

them. I know there are recipes with them but the last time I tasted

one was many years ago, in the form of guacamole. They're sort of

foreign to me. Dates? Sound yucky. I've found them in the store

too but haven't had the whatever-it-takes to buy them. Maybe you

can tell, I don't take to new things well. Something to work on...

>

> What are dates, anyway? Are they a kind of dried fruit by

another name? They look like prunes, I think.

>

> Alex

> Recent

[Guest guest]

-

Alex Knight

>I saw organic avocados in the store this weekend but didn't buy them. I

>know there are recipes with them but the last time I tasted one was many

>years ago, in the form of guacamole. They're sort of foreign to me. Dates?

>Sound yucky. I've found them in the store too but haven't had the

>whatever-it-takes to buy them. Maybe you can tell, I don't take to new

>things well. Something to work on...

 

>What are dates, anyway? Are they a kind of dried fruit by another name?

>They look like prunes, I think.

 

Avocados are great, by themselves, or with a salad. Also good with tomatoes.

They are 70% fat though, so I can't eat them often (get a belly ache). My

son eats an avocado most nights for dinner.

 

Dates are AWESOME! Soooo sweet, but not sickly sweet. Some I've opened have

had a kind of syrup inside, others are just soft and a bit chewy. Very nice

for a snack, and go well with bananas. I quite happily pay $30/kilo for

dates, if that's any indication ;o)

 

Caron

[Guest guest]

Avocados make great guacamole - eat guac! :-)

And green smoothies are greens and fruit... we can discuss it more if

you want! mango or banana are great bases b/c they are creamier.

And DATES are very caramel-like. Just awful! J/K. Try it! Just buy one.

Get medjool....

Erica

[Guest guest]

Welcome, Rachel. It's nice to have you here!

 

Sorry to hear about your liver problems.

 

A well balanced vegetarian diet can be an aid in losing weight and is very

healthful.

 

There's a great group of people here who are very helpful and very

supportive. There are quite a few wonderful recipes in the recipe file on the

web page.

Check them out and I'm sure you'll find many that you want to try. Any

questions, just ask away! I'm sure people here will be happy to assist.

 

Cath (-:

 

 

 

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[Guest guest]

Rachelle,

 

Yikes! Sorry for spelling your name wrong in my last note. I should have

double-checked it.

 

Cath (-:

 

 

 

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[Guest guest]

Hello there!

My name is Rachelle and I am a new member here. I'm not currently a

vegetarian but I am researching into it for my health. I currently

have a liver disease that has done all sorts of evil things to my

lifestyle. I can't even exercise!!! Doctor's orders have me on a beta

blocker, prednisone, an immuno blocker, and a bile blocker. Since my

liver is so scarred from " lucky " cirrhosis (I say lucky cause I didn't

drink myself this way) my liver can't circulate blood like it should

so the blood gets backed up in my esophageal veins and it can cause

them to pop, then I need a transfusion and a neat little procedure

where they put rubber bands around the veins in my throat.

Whee. That was fun.

So. Since I can't exercise, I have to diet. Dieting sucks. But from my

research I've seen that meat has more for my body to process than

vegetables and other non animal foods. It also limits my intake of fat

and extra protein on a daily basis, right? I've also noticed I am more

susceptible to food poisoning from meats than I was before now that I

am on my medication.

My doctor wants me to loose weight, but not to exercise. I want to eat

healthier and lose weight AND exercise. But I can't have it all. So I

am hoping that the switch to vegetarian helps me.

Is that selfish?

[Guest guest]

On 1/14/08, Rachelle <saiyukifg wrote:

>

> Hello there!

> My name is Rachelle and I am a new member here. I'm not currently a

> vegetarian but I am researching into it for my health.

 

Hi, Rachelle!

 

If you even go halfway vegetarian, I am sure you will see benefits! I

think it's great that you're looking into vegetarianism and I do hope

you end up going all the way, but I wanted to make sure to say that

you don't have to change everything overnight - you can ease into it

bit by bit. Maybe start with one vegetarian meal and then try to

extend that to a vegetarian day and if it's working for you, add more

vegetarian days per week. You picked a great group to come to; I have

seen some really terrific recipes come through this list and every one

I've tried has been just wonderful!

 

[snip health problems]

> Whee. That was fun.

 

I'll bet! (not!) What a mess it all is! It's great that you've chosen

to be proactive and seek natural lifestyle changes to help with your

situation. What's the doctor say about spicy foods? We've got a lot of

people here who love it hot and spicy, but milder recipes often come

through the list, too.

 

> So. Since I can't exercise, I have to diet. Dieting sucks. But from my

> research I've seen that meat has more for my body to process than

> vegetables and other non animal foods. It also limits my intake of fat

> and extra protein on a daily basis, right? I've also noticed I am more

> susceptible to food poisoning from meats than I was before now that I

> am on my medication.

 

Not to get on a soapbox, but animal protein has all kinds of awful

stuff in it! One of the big-bads is antibiotics - meats are crammed

full of them! And it's because of the horrific condition of some of

the cows that come to slaughter that they do that, so double gross!

 

I'm no doctor or nutritionist, so take this for whatever it's worth,

but with liver problems, the last thing you want to ask your body to

sort through is animal proteins. Especially mass-commercially produced

animal proteins. Good on you for looking to other options!

 

> My doctor wants me to loose weight, but not to exercise. I want to eat

> healthier and lose weight AND exercise. But I can't have it all. So I

> am hoping that the switch to vegetarian helps me.

> Is that selfish?

 

Not selfish at all! And a good choice for bulk, too. I just had a HUGE

lunch for 500 calories. I'm going to be not-hungry for quite some time

because of the plant fibers and bulk of food. With a plant-based diet,

you get to eat more food for the same calories and that's always a

bonnus when trying to lose weight.

 

Have you been to fitday.com? You can sign up there for free and keep

track of calories and such to see what progress you're making or what

you might want to change to make more progress. I used to use it

before I got the software I use (dietpower.com) and it is an awesome

free resource for anyone trying to watch their weight.

 

Welcome to the group! Glad you're here!

 

Sparrow

[Guest guest]

Wow, Sparrow & Pat! You're so helpful! Everyone has been awesome in

greeting me. I am not doing this JUST for weight loss. I am doing it

primarily for my health. And if I lose weight, then that's healthy

too! But since I need to lose about 40 pounds to be close to healthy,

it's gonna take time. Sadly, I don't think I can give up the

occasional sushi treat. T_T I love it so. There are meatless options,

of course. But from all the research that tells me all the bad things

in meat, I think I can handle cooking at home more and buying more

produce.

I keep being told that I need to eat a lot of beans and such to make

up for the lack of protein,but too much protein is hard on my liver.

What do you all suggest for one serving meals to start that all are

over well balanced?

And my boyfriend HATES vegetables. Unless it's a raw carrot drowned in

ranch or a baked potato, he won't eat it. So I'm not sure how to cook

for just me.

, " Sparrow R Jones "

<sparrowrose wrote:

>

> On 1/14/08, Rachelle <saiyukifg wrote:

> >

> > Hello there!

> > My name is Rachelle and I am a new member here. I'm not currently a

> > vegetarian but I am researching into it for my health.

>

> Hi, Rachelle!

>

> If you even go halfway vegetarian, I am sure you will see benefits! I

> think it's great that you're looking into vegetarianism and I do hope

> you end up going all the way, but I wanted to make sure to say that

> you don't have to change everything overnight - you can ease into it

> bit by bit. Maybe start with one vegetarian meal and then try to

> extend that to a vegetarian day and if it's working for you, add more

> vegetarian days per week. You picked a great group to come to; I have

> seen some really terrific recipes come through this list and every one

> I've tried has been just wonderful!

>

> [snip health problems]

> > Whee. That was fun.

>

> I'll bet! (not!) What a mess it all is! It's great that you've chosen

> to be proactive and seek natural lifestyle changes to help with your

> situation. What's the doctor say about spicy foods? We've got a lot of

> people here who love it hot and spicy, but milder recipes often come

> through the list, too.

>

> > So. Since I can't exercise, I have to diet. Dieting sucks. But from my

> > research I've seen that meat has more for my body to process than

> > vegetables and other non animal foods. It also limits my intake of fat

> > and extra protein on a daily basis, right? I've also noticed I am more

> > susceptible to food poisoning from meats than I was before now that I

> > am on my medication.

>

> Not to get on a soapbox, but animal protein has all kinds of awful

> stuff in it! One of the big-bads is antibiotics - meats are crammed

> full of them! And it's because of the horrific condition of some of

> the cows that come to slaughter that they do that, so double gross!

>

> I'm no doctor or nutritionist, so take this for whatever it's worth,

> but with liver problems, the last thing you want to ask your body to

> sort through is animal proteins. Especially mass-commercially produced

> animal proteins. Good on you for looking to other options!

>

> > My doctor wants me to loose weight, but not to exercise. I want to eat

> > healthier and lose weight AND exercise. But I can't have it all. So I

> > am hoping that the switch to vegetarian helps me.

> > Is that selfish?

>

> Not selfish at all! And a good choice for bulk, too. I just had a HUGE

> lunch for 500 calories. I'm going to be not-hungry for quite some time

> because of the plant fibers and bulk of food. With a plant-based diet,

> you get to eat more food for the same calories and that's always a

> bonnus when trying to lose weight.

>

> Have you been to fitday.com? You can sign up there for free and keep

> track of calories and such to see what progress you're making or what

> you might want to change to make more progress. I used to use it

> before I got the software I use (dietpower.com) and it is an awesome

> free resource for anyone trying to watch their weight.

>

> Welcome to the group! Glad you're here!

>

> Sparrow

>

[Guest guest]

On 1/14/08, Rachelle <saiyukifg wrote:

>

> I keep being told that I need to eat a lot of beans and such to make

> up for the lack of protein,but too much protein is hard on my liver.

 

I'd say that if your doctor is suggesting less protein then factor

that in to the vegetarian information and know that you don't need to

go with the protein heavy meals.

 

There are some vegetarians - including those who have been veg for

many years - who say that protein is a non-issue because all

vegetables have protein in them and that the government stats on

protein are far more than humans really need, causing the body to

throw off the extra protein, depleting other nutrients - particularly

calcium - along the way.

 

I know a couple of 100% raw fooders who eat that way: they

occasionally have a few nuts but most of what they eat are fresh, raw

fruits and vegetables. This couple has thrived for years this way,

despite not eating lots of protein-dense foods.

 

The prime piece of advice so many people give is " listen to your body "

and if your liver is telling you that it can't handle heavy doses of

protein, listen to that and modify the vegetarian diets you see

accordingly.

 

One thing to consider is looking at " side dishes " as potential main

dishes for you. I do this myself sometimes. Recipes labelled as side

dishes are often not designed to be protein dense and might suit your

needs better. And, as I said, don't fear that you won't get any

protein because all living things have protein in them. For example, a

cup of steamed broccoli has about 5 grams of protein in it. A cup of

steamed cauliflower has about 2.5 grams of protein. An average sized

potato has 2 to 3 grams.

 

These numbers are small, but over the course of the day they will add

up. For example, I have been known to just eat a " side dish " made with

a head of cauliflower and lots of spices for dinner (sometimes that's

just what I have a taste for) and that's about 10 grams of protein and

about 180 calories but I'm stuffed and satisfied when I'm done.

 

Has your doctor given you a target number of protein grams and fat

grams to try to stay within?

 

> And my boyfriend HATES vegetables. Unless it's a raw carrot drowned in

> ranch or a baked potato, he won't eat it. So I'm not sure how to cook

> for just me.

 

I have a husband who hates vegetables. If you are having a hard time

cooking single-person sized recipes, you might try cooking regular

sized recipes and putting the extra in the fridge.

 

If you don't like eating the same thing too many times in a row, put

servings in freezer bags and label them with the food name and the

date you put it in the freezer (so you can try to eat it within a few

months to avoid freezer burn.) Squeeze as much of the extra air out as

you can (the air pockets will cause freezer burn sooner) and stack

them up in the freezer.

 

If you do that a few times with recipes you like, you will have days

or even weeks when preparing dinner is as easy as popping some frozen

food into the microwave or a saucepan. Very handy for eating healthy

yet having convenience on most days.

 

Sparrow

[Guest guest]

My doctor hasn't told me anything but to diet and cut down on fat and

calories. So he seems to be focused on my weight, which makes me feel

so fat and unattractive I can't take it. And I am pretty well

proportioned. The protein factor comes in from research I've done on

foods for people with cirrhosis.

Sadly, I kinda have to dig in the dark here with what works for me and

what helps. I guess after I give the veggie thing a shot, we'll see

how my lab results look... or how the scale looks, since doc seems to

worry most about my mid section than my liver habits.

, " Sparrow R Jones "

<sparrowrose wrote:

>

> On 1/14/08, Rachelle <saiyukifg wrote:

> >

> > I keep being told that I need to eat a lot of beans and such to make

> > up for the lack of protein,but too much protein is hard on my liver.

>

> I'd say that if your doctor is suggesting less protein then factor

> that in to the vegetarian information and know that you don't need to

> go with the protein heavy meals.

>

> There are some vegetarians - including those who have been veg for

> many years - who say that protein is a non-issue because all

> vegetables have protein in them and that the government stats on

> protein are far more than humans really need, causing the body to

> throw off the extra protein, depleting other nutrients - particularly

> calcium - along the way.

>

> I know a couple of 100% raw fooders who eat that way: they

> occasionally have a few nuts but most of what they eat are fresh, raw

> fruits and vegetables. This couple has thrived for years this way,

> despite not eating lots of protein-dense foods.

>

> The prime piece of advice so many people give is " listen to your body "

> and if your liver is telling you that it can't handle heavy doses of

> protein, listen to that and modify the vegetarian diets you see

> accordingly.

>

> One thing to consider is looking at " side dishes " as potential main

> dishes for you. I do this myself sometimes. Recipes labelled as side

> dishes are often not designed to be protein dense and might suit your

> needs better. And, as I said, don't fear that you won't get any

> protein because all living things have protein in them. For example, a

> cup of steamed broccoli has about 5 grams of protein in it. A cup of

> steamed cauliflower has about 2.5 grams of protein. An average sized

> potato has 2 to 3 grams.

>

> These numbers are small, but over the course of the day they will add

> up. For example, I have been known to just eat a " side dish " made with

> a head of cauliflower and lots of spices for dinner (sometimes that's

> just what I have a taste for) and that's about 10 grams of protein and

> about 180 calories but I'm stuffed and satisfied when I'm done.

>

> Has your doctor given you a target number of protein grams and fat

> grams to try to stay within?

>

> > And my boyfriend HATES vegetables. Unless it's a raw carrot drowned in

> > ranch or a baked potato, he won't eat it. So I'm not sure how to cook

> > for just me.

>

> I have a husband who hates vegetables. If you are having a hard time

> cooking single-person sized recipes, you might try cooking regular

> sized recipes and putting the extra in the fridge.

>

> If you don't like eating the same thing too many times in a row, put

> servings in freezer bags and label them with the food name and the

> date you put it in the freezer (so you can try to eat it within a few

> months to avoid freezer burn.) Squeeze as much of the extra air out as

> you can (the air pockets will cause freezer burn sooner) and stack

> them up in the freezer.

>

> If you do that a few times with recipes you like, you will have days

> or even weeks when preparing dinner is as easy as popping some frozen

> food into the microwave or a saucepan. Very handy for eating healthy

> yet having convenience on most days.

>

> Sparrow

>

[Guest guest]

On 1/15/08, Rachelle <saiyukifg wrote:

>

> My doctor hasn't told me anything but to diet and cut down on fat and

> calories.

 

Your doctor reminds me of mine! I have just been told I have diabetes,

but have been having to research all the information on my own because

my doctor won't tell me anything.

 

I found this webpage for you:

http://www.hepcnet.net/nutritionandcirhossis.html

 

(The site is a hepatitis site but this specific page is about general

liver disease.)

 

Among other things, it says " People with unstable liver disease or

decompensated cirrhosis need to lower the percentage of protein

content in their diets so that it falls between approximately 10 to 15

%. And, they need to eat only vegetable sources of protein. "

 

By this guideline, if you were eating, for example, 1500 calories per

day then 150 to 225 of those calories should be protein. Protein has 4

calories per gram, so that's 37.5 to 56.25 grams of protein per day.

 

The same page also says: " reducing the fat to 25% of total calories

(about 40-70 grams of fat daily) is recommended. "

 

Fat has 9 calories per gram, so that sentence above is describing a

range of total calorie intake between 1440 and 2520 calories per day.

A general rule of thumb is to take your ideal weight and multiply it

by ten for the number of calories you shoudl eat daily to maintain

that weight. But a person who is a large amount over their ideal

weight (like more than 50 pounds over) should be careful not to cut

calories too low or the metabolism can slow and the body holds on to

all the weight it can as a survival mechanism. In that case, weight

should be lost in steps with gradual calorie reduction to keep the

metabolism from slowing.

 

I hope some of this is helpful to you. If you need any help with the

calculations and don't feel comfortable sharing your numbers

publically, feel free to mail me privately and I can try to help (so

long as you remember that I'm not a doctor or a nutritionist and if

there's any doubt at all you should ask your doctor for details and go

with what he tells you rather than anything I say!)

 

> So he seems to be focused on my weight, which makes me feel

> so fat and unattractive I can't take it. And I am pretty well

> proportioned.

 

Sometimes doctors can have zero bedside manner. Sometimes even less

than zero! My guess is that he is concerned about fatty liver which

can happen even when you don't look fat on the outside. I'm thinking

that he wants you to lose weight because it will help the liver lose

the fat deposits that are harmful to it. Try not to take it to heart

and interpret it as something negative about who you are. I know it's

not easy, but do try!

 

> The protein factor comes in from research I've done on

> foods for people with cirrhosis.

> Sadly, I kinda have to dig in the dark here with what works for me and

> what helps. I guess after I give the veggie thing a shot, we'll see

> how my lab results look... or how the scale looks, since doc seems to

> worry most about my mid section than my liver habits.

 

One can be a contributing cause to the other. From what I found on

that page and other sources, it sounds like you are spot on with your

pursuit of a vegetarian diet! And it sounds like you are spot on with

the idea of trying it out and seeing if it helps the lab scores look

better. Best wishes! I'm rooting for you!

 

Sparrow

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>too much protein

> is hard on my liver.

 

Yes, and as someone has said we don't need as

much protein as we are told we do. I never think

about it - and I don't eat huge amounts of beans

and lentils either. I just had a medical check,

and my bloodwork came back all lovely and sunny

and happy, so I guess I'm doing something right

Be careful of fats/oils too, even the 'good'

ones - and you can cut down on those even more

than most sites say. It's easier on the liver.

(All this, I assure you, from experience - I'm

not a healthcare professional - just another

person who has to watch out what she eats, as we

all should.)

 

But, medical matters aside, as long as you eat

good balanced vegetarian/vegan meals and go easy

on the sweets and fats, you should find yourself

losing weight - which is a nice bonus. They even

say it's healthy!

 

Anyway, you've already received some fantastic

advice from members here! See what you can make

of it all, okay?

 

Take care. Lovely to hear from you again!

 

Love and hugs, Pat

 

 

 

 

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Vegetarian Spice:

http://beanvegan.blogspot.com

Vegan World Cuisine: http://www.care2.com/c2cvegworld

Vegetarian Slimming: vegetarianslimming

Vegetarians In Canada: vegetariansincanada

" Atrocities are not less atrocities when they occur in laboratories and are

called medical research. " (George Bernard Shaw)

 

 

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