Using Bean water for stock? - and the calcium issue - CORRECTION

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> i saw my doc

> this am and I have osteopenoesis (bleh!) which no

> one needs and surprised me all to blazes.

 

(And no one ever heard of.) I meant to type osteopoenia.

Yeah, osteopoenia. (not a combo of both thingies).

Sorry for any confusion/stupidity/bad typing or spelling, etc.

 

Love and hugs, Pat

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On 1/30/08, Pat <drpatsant wrote:

> osteopoenia.

 

So is that sort of " pre-osteoporosis " ?

 

Sparrow

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> > osteopoenia.

>

> So is that sort of " pre-osteoporosis " ?

 

Yeah, sorta. Bone density -1 to -2.5 =

osteopenia; Bone density below -2.5 =

osteoporoesis. Mine (according to the scan on

Monday morning) is -1.8 so it's kinda in the

middle of the 'pre' situation.

 

Soooooo, more calcium and vitamin D and more

weight-bearing exercise and oh yeah

*weight-lifting* needed to build up dem bones.

That weight-lifting part is quite a thought!

Sheeeeesh!

 

Now excuse me while I go and lift a couple of

tall buildings before supper.

 

Love and hugs, Pat

 

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On 1/30/08, Pat <drpatsant wrote:

>

> That weight-lifting part is quite a thought!

> Sheeeeesh!

 

Don't let the thought daunt you too much! I have lifted weights off

and on for years and took a class in it at university a couple of

years ago. You don't have to powerlift hundreds of kilos to get

benefits! In fact, you most want to choose a weight that you can lift

twenty times before you start to feel as if you ought to stop.

 

And you don't need machines or even free weights - at least not to

start. Try jugs of water for arm exercises and hold them while doing

gentle lunges (or modified lunges if your joints don't like full

lunges) to get lower body.

 

Also, remember that it's not necessarily weight lifting so much as

weight-bearing exercise. So walking is good for lower body and

push-ups pr modified push-ups for upper body. Some isometric exercises

count as weight-bearing as well.

 

You definitely don't need to turn into Charles Atlas to get

bone-benefitting exercise!

 

Sparrow

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> Don't let the thought daunt you too much! I

> have lifted weights off

> and on for years. . . In fact, you most want

to choose a

> weight that you can lift

> twenty times before you start to feel as if you

> ought to stop.

 

That many? Wow. LOL Okay, this is a 'yes but'

kind of answer (the kind I hate): I have an old

injury (RSI) going 20 years back that means only

recently have I been able to carry anything in my

right hand at all. It's been a long haul, but now

I can raise both arms above my head etc. and grip

with my right hand and carry things in that arm

(as long as they're not too heavy). My upper back

muscles are also affected by the injury, so you

can imagine the fun I have even doing a light

routing for 'older adults' with 2-lb weights. But

I do it and things have improved over the last

year.

 

Bottom line? I'll work at it, dammit, I'll work

at it. Gotta build up these old bones

 

> And you don't need machines or even free

> weights - at least not to

> start. Try jugs of water for arm exercises and

> hold them while doing

> gentle lunges (or modified lunges if your

> joints don't like full

> lunges) to get lower body.

 

Good advice.

 

> Also, remember that it's not necessarily weight

> lifting so much as

> weight-bearing exercise. So walking is good for

> lower body and. . .

 

As for walking - I do lots and lots of that. In

spring, summer and autumn my dh and I walk around

8 to 10 miles per day. In the winter it's less -

and these last couple of weeks it's been a couple

to three miles - but as soon as the cold snap

eases off a bit I'll be back to five miles, which

is the winter average.

 

> push-ups pr modified push-ups for upper body.

 

Plays up the back, I found, and lands me in a bad

state - but I will work at it.

 

> Some isometric exercises

> count as weight-bearing as well.

 

Thanks for that reminder - it's easy to forget.

Oh dear, I really have to take this seriously,

don't I.

 

> You definitely don't need to turn into Charles

> Atlas to get

> bone-benefitting exercise!

 

Hmmm. Good. Like myself as I am

 

Love and hugs, Pat

 

 

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On 1/30/08, Pat <drpatsant wrote:

>

> > In fact, you most want

> > to choose a

> > weight that you can lift

> > twenty times before you start to feel as if you

> > ought to stop.

>

> That many? Wow. LOL

 

Definitely no fewer than twelve repetitions. The weights that you can

only lift three or four times are for building muscle bulk which, I

assume, you don't want.

 

> Okay, this is a 'yes but'

> kind of answer (the kind I hate): I have an old

> injury (RSI) going 20 years back that means only

> recently have I been able to carry anything in my

> right hand at all. It's been a long haul, but now

> I can raise both arms above my head etc. and grip

> with my right hand and carry things in that arm

> (as long as they're not too heavy). My upper back

> muscles are also affected by the injury, so you

> can imagine the fun I have even doing a light

> routing for 'older adults' with 2-lb weights. But

> I do it and things have improved over the last

> year.

 

One thing you might want to look into are the stretchy rubber therapy

bands. I was given a couple by my physical therapist when I went to

see him for numbness in one arm. I don't know if they count as

" weight-bearing exercise " but there's a good chance they do (a little

research ought to shed some light) and they're less likely to cause

injury than any sort of weights.

 

.. . . okay, I found a page about osteoarthritis and exercise, which

talks about strength training and suggests therapy bands as one

possibility so it looks like that's a go if you want to choose bands.

The page also might be useful to you, even though you don't have

arthritis, because it talks about pain in range of motion and how to

exercise without injuring yourself.

 

http://www.arthritismd.com/osteoarthritis-exercise-treatmen.html

 

> Bottom line? I'll work at it, dammit, I'll work

> at it. Gotta build up these old bones

 

Every day, in every way. Bit by bit.

 

> > push-ups pr modified push-ups for upper body.

>

> Plays up the back, I found, and lands me in a bad

> state - but I will work at it.

 

One thing I do at this point to get the benefits of push-ups without

as much stress on my back and without trying to heft my entire, rather

large, weight up and down:

 

I stand a bit away from a wall so that I can lean my body forward,

keeping my back in good alignment, and do push-ups off the wall. It's

a small amount of my body weight (can be adjusted by how far I stand

from the wall) and since I'm still standing, I have much more control

over what my back is doing, but my arms are still getting some work.

 

If you try this, you can alter which muscles you're working by hand

placement. try close together, medium apart, farther apart. Level with

shoulders, slightly above shoulder height (not too far or you'll risk

straining things), slightly below shoulder height.

 

> Oh dear, I really have to take this seriously,

> don't I.

 

Yes, but it's not so bad. I've learned over the years that you don't

have to grunt and strain or be in pain to build muscle. The trick is

to find your limits and work up to them but not at them or past them.

The limits will move over time and so will your workout, but you can

stay a bit behind the limit and still build good muscle if you keep at

it regularly.

 

Sparrow

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Hi Sparrow!

 

> Definitely no fewer than twelve repetitions.

> The weights that you can

> only lift three or four times are for building

> muscle bulk which, I

> assume, you don't want.

 

OK, got it. Nope, don't want bulging muscles.

 

> One thing you might want to look into are the

> stretchy rubber therapy

> bands.

 

Yes I know about these - shall look into it.

 

>

http://www.arthritismd.com/osteoarthritis-exercise-treatmen.html

 

Thanks!!!!!!! Very useful.

 

> push-ups without

> as much stress on my back . . . do

> push-ups off the wall. It's

> a small amount of my body weight (can be

> adjusted by how far I stand

> from the wall) and since I'm still standing, I

> have much more control

> over what my back is doing, but my arms are

> still getting some work.

 

I tried this today and it does work like a charm.

Very good

modification of the exercise. Then I could work

up to the

'real thing' (or do I mean work down to it?)

 

Thanks for all your kind suggestions, hon. Such

good ideas!!

 

Love and hugs, Pat

 

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