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Hi everyone, I'm Laurie. I live in Dutchess County New York. I am married to

Dennis, three

kids - Patrick is 19 and recently moved to buffalo (to live) making him 377

miles away from

us (gulp), Erinn is 17 and a senior in high school and Rhiannon is 14 and a

freshman in HS.

We recently adopted a retired racing greyhound, Callie, whom we adore.

I turned to vegetarian slightly over a year ago. I changed my lifestyle

significantly in an

attempt to lose weight. So far, I have lost 70 pounds, 5 pants sizes and 3

shirt sizes. I work

out at a gym 4 mornings (4:30 am) a week and I cook every night instead of take

out (except

for rare occasions).

My family started out humoring me and has slowly seen the light! I need some

new recipes

though - I am starting to repeat myself in the kitchen!

Oh, I;m allergic to chocolate (for the last 14 years) and wine - but I love to

bake!

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On 1/31/08, ljandcallieb <ljandcallieb wrote:

>

> Rhiannon is 14 and a freshman in HS.

 

You and I must have been on the same wavelength 14 years ago! I had a

daughter (she is deceased) who would be about to turn 14 and gave her

the middle name of Rhiannon!

 

> I turned to vegetarian slightly over a year ago. I changed my

> lifestyle significantly in an attempt to lose weight. So far, I

> have lost 70 pounds, 5 pants sizes and 3 shirt sizes.

 

Wow!! Way to go!!

 

> I need some new recipes

> though - I am starting to repeat myself in the kitchen!

 

Well, you've come to the right place. In addition to the recipes that

regularly come through the list, there are wonderful archives (go to

the site and click files or click files in one of the e-mails

you get from the list) that are categorized and all of them (unless

otherwise noted) have been tried by a list member and found to be

delicious.

 

That is one thing I love about this list: I haven't gotten a " clunker "

recipe yet! There are some that I increase the spices (because when I

say spice, I mean SPICE! LOL) but all have been wonderfully tasty.

 

As for repeating one's self in the kitchen, it's been my observation

that most people (no matter what sorts of foods they eat) have

something like 5 to 10 recipes that they make regularly, repeating

them over and over. When you've got something that really works for

you, keep making it (or set the recipe card aside for a while to take

a break and then come back to it.) I love to get new recipes but I

also love that I have a collection of " most-favorites " that I can

return to again and again.

 

In that spirit, what is your favorite recipe? Share it with us!

 

Glad you joined us,

Sparrow

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> You and I must have been on the same wavelength 14 years ago! I had a

> daughter (she is deceased) who would be about to turn 14 and gave her

> the middle name of Rhiannon!

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I am so sorry to read this. We love the name because in Welsh mythology

Rhiannon was the

most beautiful of all fairy princesses.

~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~

 

 

> In that spirit, what is your favorite recipe? Share it with us!

 

~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~

if I am posting a recipe that I got from a cookbook or magazine am I supposed to

site the

source? I usually change it up a little but the recipes are not mine

completely.

Thanks for the welcome Sparrow

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On 1/31/08, ljandcallieb <ljandcallieb wrote:

>

> We love the name because in Welsh mythology Rhiannon was the

> most beautiful of all fairy princesses.

 

Half my family is Welsh and so I chose the name Gwyneth (means " fair

one " ) Rhiannon (means " the silver wheel " ) Jones. My mother laughed

because all our Welsh relatives have/had names like Sarah, Anne, and

Mary, but I told her those may be family names but they aren't Welsh

names, they were transplanted to Wales by missionaries.

 

> if I am posting a recipe that I got from a cookbook or magazine am I supposed

to site the

> source? I usually change it up a little but the recipes are not mine

completely.

 

What I usually do for that (and what I've seen others doing) is to say

where I got the original recipe and mention that I've changed it. If

you can't remember where you got the recipe, it's okay. I think the

majority of recipes are borrowed and changed or otherwise inspired by

other recipes.

 

Sparrow

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, " ljandcallieb "

<ljandcallieb wrote:

>

> I work

> out at a gym 4 mornings (4:30 am) a week and I cook every night

instead of take out (except

> for rare occasions).

 

Wow, you impress me with your weight loss...and your discipline...4:30

in the morning...holy soy! that's early. As a new vegan myself, is

there some plant based food or supplement that helps with focus and

other AD/HD symptoms? I have heard from a therapist at the Univ of

Utah that Fish Oil 8,000 mgs per day (four times per day dosing) helped

with ADHD problems, which is a pretty remarkable statistic if it means

an alternative to medications...but now that I am vegan, I am not sure

what to do about Fish Oil supplements now. Is there a comparable

substitute?

 

Thanks,

Diane

 

My family started out humoring me and has slowly seen the light! I

need some new recipes

> though - I am starting to repeat myself in the kitchen!

> Oh, I;m allergic to chocolate (for the last 14 years) and wine - but

I love to bake!

>

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, " cree8 " <pagespals wrote:

 

> Wow, you impress me with your weight loss...and your

discipline...4:30

> in the morning...holy soy! that's early. As a new vegan myself, is

> there some plant based food or supplement that helps with focus and

> other AD/HD symptoms?

>

>

Sorry, that was such a bad transition....I meant, I can't get up in the

morning...so thats where that thought of the link between what you eat

and attention problems....thats what I meant by that. I admire you

being able to get up in the morning, and I have noticed that eating

vegetarian has added to a sense of wholeness and wellness that has

enhanced my sleeping.

 

Goodnight,

Diane

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On 2/1/08, cree8 <pagespals wrote:

>

> As a new vegan myself, is

> there some plant based food or supplement that helps with focus and

> other AD/HD symptoms? I have heard from a therapist at the Univ of

> Utah that Fish Oil 8,000 mgs per day (four times per day dosing) helped

> with ADHD problems, which is a pretty remarkable statistic if it means

> an alternative to medications...but now that I am vegan, I am not sure

> what to do about Fish Oil supplements now. Is there a comparable

> substitute?

 

Hi, Diane, and welcome to the group!

 

It depends on what element of the fish oil is working on the AD/HD

symptoms. If it's the omega-3 fatty acids, try flax seed oil. It comes

in capsules (which are usually not vegetarian because they are made

from gelatin) or bottles of oil (which you must store in the

refrigerator to protect it from going rancid.) The " usual dose " of

flax seed oil is one tablespoon per day. Some people like the flavor

and others have to hide it in a smoothie.

 

Hope this is helpful! If it's not the omega-3 in fish oil that is the

key, let me know what is and I'll see if I can find you a replacement

for that.

 

Sparrow

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> It depends on what element of the fish oil is

> working on the AD/HD

> symptoms. If it's the omega-3 fatty acids, try

> flax seed oil. It comes

> in capsules (which are usually not vegetarian

> because they are made

> from gelatin) or bottles of oil (which you must

> store in the

> refrigerator to protect it from going rancid.)

> The " usual dose " of

> flax seed oil is one tablespoon per day. Some

> people like the flavor

> and others have to hide it in a smoothie.

 

Alternately, you can use ground flax seed (flax

meal) - which also must be kept in the

refrigerator. You can buy it ground or, more

reasonable, grind it yourself in a coffee grinder

- enough for a few days at a time. Keeps fresher

this way :) (But return it all to the fridge

nevertheless.) The 'usual dose' of that is a Tbsp

a day - it can be sprinkled on or mixed into your

cereal in the morning - lovely flavour. Or you

can add it to your smoothie - thickens it up,

though, so you may need a little more liquid! (We

put ours on our morning cereal - have used it for

years!)

 

Love and hugs, Pat

 

 

 

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On 2/1/08, Pat <drpatsant wrote:

>

> Alternately, you can use ground flax seed (flax

> meal) - which also must be kept in the

> refrigerator. You can buy it ground or, more

> reasonable, grind it yourself in a coffee grinder

> - enough for a few days at a time. Keeps fresher

> this way :) (But return it all to the fridge

> nevertheless.) The 'usual dose' of that is a Tbsp

> a day - it can be sprinkled on or mixed into your

> cereal in the morning - lovely flavour. Or you

> can add it to your smoothie - thickens it up,

> though, so you may need a little more liquid! (We

> put ours on our morning cereal - have used it for

> years!)

 

Also, a tablespoon of ground flax seed and a tablespoon of water

replace one egg in baked goods!

 

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Welcome Laurie :) And wow - that's a marvellous

weight loss!!! Good for you! You must have been

eating a VERY healthy veggie diet for that to

happen, which is of course what everyone should

do :)

 

Okay, so you now need new recipes. Well, first I

ought to remind you that this isn't a weightloss

group, so you can't expect our recipes to be low

cal or low fat. Many, however, are indeed

suitable for losing weight - but you'll have to

be the judge of that yourself, since they're not

marked that way - since several of us worry about

weight and health. Browse through the Files and

see what you can find, and if you don't find

something you like then shout out for what it is

you're looking for.

 

> We recently adopted a retired racing greyhound,

> Callie, whom we adore.

 

Good for you! The greyhound racing industry is a

scandal, but thankfully there are many people

like you who rescue these dogs when they come to

the end of their racing careers. My two beagles

send friendly arrroooooos to your Callie (these

hounds like to make friends with other hounds,

scent or sight).

 

Enjoy the group - and post often :) Looking

forward to 'chatting' with you!

 

Best, Pat (Group Owner)

 

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Well, first I

> ought to remind you that this isn't a weightloss

> group, so you can't expect our recipes to be low

> cal or low fat.

~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~

Thank you, Pat and everyone. Most vegetarian recipes aren't loaded with fat and

that makes a

world of difference. My weight was a result of a major lifestyle change - no

more junk, only

drink water (ok, coffee in the morning but that's more of a necessity), working

out 4 days a

week, etc...

I have also gotten good at changing some of the higher fat containing foods to

lower fat.

I am really looking forward to finding some new things to serve here!

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Wow, you impress me with your weight loss...and your

discipline...4:30

> in the morning...holy soy!

~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~

LOL! the first few days were rough, after that it got easier. Now, I wake up

about two

minutes before the alarm goes off and have learned to get up as soon as my eyes

open!

I am going to have to look into the flax seed though - it sounds interesting.

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I never can understand people's fish oil fascination. Except to say I

suppose it is due to product advertising towards marketing, driven by

having something to do with selling the rest of the fish after all of

the other parts are used. So in the final stages of processing they

squeeze the fish heads and whatever to get oil and the rest goes in

cat food. We all know how the industry manages information and

recovers potential loss of profit from a harvest. I don't say they do

it to be hateful or immoral, but they just do it. The same way sugar

cane has byproducts. And recovery is managed. The industry is freer

with data about the processes when describing the use of byproducts

for livestock. Yet somewhat withholding when the matter is concerning

humans.

http://www.fao.org/AG/Aga/AGAP/FRG/AFRIS/DATA/556.htm

http://tinyurl.com/27p243

 

To be certain there are other sources of non zoological lipids. Of

course these producers will not have the advantage of a market as

fisheries do. Of which, most of the catch is not winding up in fish

oil products. I am sure the choicer parts are not sold as fish oil.

 

Don't consider this an acrimonious rant. It is important to realize

that with 90% + of the population normally using animal products, the

information is presented to the public in a way to sell a product and

make people feel good about spending their money on that product and

protect their sense of human decency and retain decorum.

 

However, the most pertinent fact may be that vegetable sources of all

necessary nutrients have a true advantage in quality, not

withstanding the debate of vegetable origin vs. animal origin. Since

the argumentation eclipses the realisms, it becomes difficult for the

real point to be made. We have generous and multiple benefits with

the vegan approach. The problem here is that the fish are not

speaking up and the vegetables are keeping quiet.

 

 

Flaxseed

http://www.bodyandfitness.com/Information/Herbal/Research/flax.htm

http://tinyurl.com/388zmn

 

Hempseed

http://www.manitobaharvest.com/nutrition/index.asp?itemID=74

http://tinyurl.com/363w8n

 

Thinfat

http://www.fitnessmountain.com/index.asp?

PageAction=VIEWPROD & ProdID=2598

http://tinyurl.com/3y5kzk

 

Because this is vegetarian spice! I might add that oil is a great

holder and carrier of spice (back on topic). If you need to prove

this, just sauté some good spicy hot peppers on the stovetop in some

olive oil. When the coughing starts, the peppers and oil have been

compounded and are ready to be incorporated in the recipe. I'm sure

those of you who eat hot peppers know how this works. Spring isn't

that far off and peppers are short-season crops.

 

I made a few Indian chats using Black salt, or Kala Namak in late

autumn and had some extra peppers which got that treatment. The chat

had used raw ones. So I cooked a handful for fun. I think they get

hotter in oil when they are cooked a little though. I wheezed so much

I laughed till I cried. The fumes filled the whole kitchen. The rest

I toss in an open container in the refrigerator and they dry well for

later. I grind these in a coffee grinder for various uses.

 

My hobby is to collect exotic spice and foods. I like to cook with

things like real red yeast rice which is a salty pungent red shred

which does not look or taste like rice. I buy a one pound jar for

$1.99 from an Asian store. Also available is fermented white rice. At

the same store I get my dorian fruits, which are 99 cents per pound,

which adds up with these big and strange fruits.

 

I actually enjoy strong herbs like asafoetida herb and fresh rue.

Spice and fruits were very coveted until not so long ago in time.

Then speedy transportation made it possible to overlook them as

common. Similar to books which were also rare as well as was

literacy. Fortunately, those who value such things can easily obtain

and enjoy them, although they exist without much fanfare, it is truly

a marvel to the initiated. Much as is the internet for research and

sharing of good things.

 

Not only does spice taste good and provide health benefits it helps

me eat less calories by making the food taste so good that I am

satisfied more quickly.

 

That is why I enjoy both the spice and slimming list. I think they

have a lot in common and you do a great job Pat! Both are very

positive list. I think you are a very good host and I like how you

make people feel comfortable.

 

 

, Pat <drpatsant wrote:

>

>

> > It depends on what element of the fish oil is

> > working on the AD/HD

> > symptoms. If it's the omega-3 fatty acids, try

> > flax seed oil. It comes

> > in capsules (which are usually not vegetarian

> > because they are made

> > from gelatin) or bottles of oil (which you must

> > store in the

> > refrigerator to protect it from going rancid.)

> > The " usual dose " of

> > flax seed oil is one tablespoon per day. Some

> > people like the flavor

> > and others have to hide it in a smoothie.

>

> Alternately, you can use ground flax seed (flax

> meal) - which also must be kept in the

> refrigerator. You can buy it ground or, more

> reasonable, grind it yourself in a coffee grinder

> - enough for a few days at a time. Keeps fresher

> this way :) (But return it all to the fridge

> nevertheless.) The 'usual dose' of that is a Tbsp

> a day - it can be sprinkled on or mixed into your

> cereal in the morning - lovely flavour. Or you

> can add it to your smoothie - thickens it up,

> though, so you may need a little more liquid! (We

> put ours on our morning cereal - have used it for

> years!)

>

> Love and hugs, Pat

>

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I to can not understand why fish oil is pushed by doctors. Has any one thought

about how that oil is placed in thoses capusules? Flax iol for me is the best

choice not only am I not eating dead processed fish gunk, flax it is so healthly

and does not give you fish burps.( my grandma takes it). Vida you have brought

up a great and interesting topic. I look forward to reading more of your post.

 

Vida Stevens <vida wrote: I never can understand people's

fish oil fascination. Except to say I

suppose it is due to product advertising towards marketing, driven by

having something to do with selling the rest of the fish after all of

the other parts are used. So in the final stages of processing they

squeeze the fish heads and whatever to get oil and the rest goes in

cat food. We all know how the industry manages information and

recovers potential loss of profit from a harvest. I don't say they do

it to be hateful or immoral, but they just do it. The same way sugar

cane has byproducts. And recovery is managed. The industry is freer

with data about the processes when describing the use of byproducts

for livestock. Yet somewhat withholding when the matter is concerning

humans.

http://www.fao.org/AG/Aga/AGAP/FRG/AFRIS/DATA/556.htm

http://tinyurl.com/27p243

 

To be certain there are other sources of non zoological lipids. Of

course these producers will not have the advantage of a market as

fisheries do. Of which, most of the catch is not winding up in fish

oil products. I am sure the choicer parts are not sold as fish oil.

 

Don't consider this an acrimonious rant. It is important to realize

that with 90% + of the population normally using animal products, the

information is presented to the public in a way to sell a product and

make people feel good about spending their money on that product and

protect their sense of human decency and retain decorum.

 

However, the most pertinent fact may be that vegetable sources of all

necessary nutrients have a true advantage in quality, not

withstanding the debate of vegetable origin vs. animal origin. Since

the argumentation eclipses the realisms, it becomes difficult for the

real point to be made. We have generous and multiple benefits with

the vegan approach. The problem here is that the fish are not

speaking up and the vegetables are keeping quiet.

 

Flaxseed

http://www.bodyandfitness.com/Information/Herbal/Research/flax.htm

http://tinyurl.com/388zmn

 

Hempseed

http://www.manitobaharvest.com/nutrition/index.asp?itemID=74

http://tinyurl.com/363w8n

 

Thinfat

http://www.fitnessmountain.com/index.asp?

PageAction=VIEWPROD & ProdID=2598

http://tinyurl.com/3y5kzk

 

Because this is vegetarian spice! I might add that oil is a great

holder and carrier of spice (back on topic). If you need to prove

this, just sauté some good spicy hot peppers on the stovetop in some

olive oil. When the coughing starts, the peppers and oil have been

compounded and are ready to be incorporated in the recipe. I'm sure

those of you who eat hot peppers know how this works. Spring isn't

that far off and peppers are short-season crops.

 

I made a few Indian chats using Black salt, or Kala Namak in late

autumn and had some extra peppers which got that treatment. The chat

had used raw ones. So I cooked a handful for fun. I think they get

hotter in oil when they are cooked a little though. I wheezed so much

I laughed till I cried. The fumes filled the whole kitchen. The rest

I toss in an open container in the refrigerator and they dry well for

later. I grind these in a coffee grinder for various uses.

 

My hobby is to collect exotic spice and foods. I like to cook with

things like real red yeast rice which is a salty pungent red shred

which does not look or taste like rice. I buy a one pound jar for

$1.99 from an Asian store. Also available is fermented white rice. At

the same store I get my dorian fruits, which are 99 cents per pound,

which adds up with these big and strange fruits.

 

I actually enjoy strong herbs like asafoetida herb and fresh rue.

Spice and fruits were very coveted until not so long ago in time.

Then speedy transportation made it possible to overlook them as

common. Similar to books which were also rare as well as was

literacy. Fortunately, those who value such things can easily obtain

and enjoy them, although they exist without much fanfare, it is truly

a marvel to the initiated. Much as is the internet for research and

sharing of good things.

 

Not only does spice taste good and provide health benefits it helps

me eat less calories by making the food taste so good that I am

satisfied more quickly.

 

That is why I enjoy both the spice and slimming list. I think they

have a lot in common and you do a great job Pat! Both are very

positive list. I think you are a very good host and I like how you

make people feel comfortable.

 

, Pat <drpatsant wrote:

>

>

> > It depends on what element of the fish oil is

> > working on the AD/HD

> > symptoms. If it's the omega-3 fatty acids, try

> > flax seed oil. It comes

> > in capsules (which are usually not vegetarian

> > because they are made

> > from gelatin) or bottles of oil (which you must

> > store in the

> > refrigerator to protect it from going rancid.)

> > The " usual dose " of

> > flax seed oil is one tablespoon per day. Some

> > people like the flavor

> > and others have to hide it in a smoothie.

>

> Alternately, you can use ground flax seed (flax

> meal) - which also must be kept in the

> refrigerator. You can buy it ground or, more

> reasonable, grind it yourself in a coffee grinder

> - enough for a few days at a time. Keeps fresher

> this way :) (But return it all to the fridge

> nevertheless.) The 'usual dose' of that is a Tbsp

> a day - it can be sprinkled on or mixed into your

> cereal in the morning - lovely flavour. Or you

> can add it to your smoothie - thickens it up,

> though, so you may need a little more liquid! (We

> put ours on our morning cereal - have used it for

> years!)

>

> Love and hugs, Pat

>

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

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, " Vida Stevens " <vida

wrote:

>

>> Because this is vegetarian spice! I might add that oil is a great

> holder and carrier of spice (back on topic).

 

I appreciate your indulgence in helping a new vegan figure these

things out (about the fish oil and substitutions)and your gentle

reminder to me to get on topic! It can all be overwhelming at first,

and cooking with different oils and spices is a new concept for me.

I can't get over all the different flavors that are opening up to me

now that I have made this transition. Your information re: plant vs

animal oils/lipids was very well thought out and articulated. Its

amazing how the marketing machine can literally imbed itself in the

minds of an entire culture to where hype is considered fact, and no

one questions what is omitted...like the vegetation's voice...Thank

you for your comments.

 

 

 

Regarding spices, sesame seed - What are the benefits of buying whole

unhulled seed vs hulled seed?

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On 2/2/08, Robin Chaloune <rchaloune wrote:

>

> I to can not understand why fish oil is pushed by doctors.

 

When my doctor told me to take fish oil, I asked if I could substitute

flax oil. She said that was fine and that she automatically tells

people fish oil because more people are already aware that it exists

so she doesn't get resistance from patients over " strange " food and

that fish oil capsules were cheaper than flax oil capsules (I got my

flax oil in a sale so it was 1/4 the cost of fish oil) and she was

trying to save patients some money.

 

> Has any one thought about how that oil is placed in thoses capusules?

 

The capsules themselves are not good for you and also not vegetarian

(with some minor exceptions which are noted on the bottle.)

 

By the way, for those of you who are lacto-vegetarians, I just learned

yesterday that many commercial ice creams are not vegetarian. They

have cow parts in them. If you eat ice cream, you might want to look

into the finer details of the ingredients and choose a brand that

doesn't put cow intestines in. Just a little " heads up. "

 

> Flax iol for me is the best choice not only am I not eating dead

> processed fish gunk, flax it is so healthly and does not give you

> fish burps.( my grandma takes it).

 

I've had flax burps. They are icky, but couldn't possibly be as icky

as fish burps.

 

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> I never can understand people's fish oil

> fascination. Except to say I

> suppose it is due to product advertising

> towards marketing, driven by

> having something to do with selling the rest of

> the fish after all of

> the other parts are used.

 

I think you have probably put your finger on it,

and your parallel example with the sugar cane

byproducts is apposite - and startling. (Learn

something every day, I do!)

 

 

> vegetable sources of all

> necessary nutrients have a true advantage in

> quality . . .We have generous and

> multiple benefits with

> the vegan approach.

 

Indeed. So why do people resist it? Just

advertising? Even vegetarians and vegans will

take/use animal-derived vitamins and minerals and

OTC drugs if a medical 'necessity' arises - even

though similar or better benefits can be obtained

by using plant-based products - or none at all

(as is so often the case).

 

> The problem here is that

> the fish are not

> speaking up and the vegetables are keeping

> quiet.

 

Lovely! Mind you, the fish are 'speaking up' - so

to speak (hmmm) - by their increased silence as

their numbers dwindle. You'd think we'd all catch

on that not only are fish products and fish oil

unnecessary for humans but are also, in a selfish

way of thinking, dangerous to continued human

life on this planet - and right now we have no

other to which to migrate and destroy with our

greed.

 

Thanks for your links on the various oils! Good

info.

 

> Because this is vegetarian spice! I might add

> that oil is a great

> holder and carrier of spice (back on topic).

 

Yup, it is. I don't use it as a rule, but I have

to admit it all tastes better if you use a

smidgin of oil :)

 

> My hobby is to collect exotic spice and foods.

 

Lovely! And I like what you say here:

 

> Not only does spice taste good and provide

> health benefits it helps

> me eat less calories by making the food taste

> so good that I am

> satisfied more quickly.

 

That's true. Also, loving spices in a multitude

of cuisines gives a variety to our food that it

might not normally have. For those who like to

eat bland food, well, that's up to them. But my

joy in spicy foods is two-fold: the flavour and

variety (as stated) added to almost any dish; the

opportunity to experiment with other cuisines,

many of which have a very long tradition of

vegetarianism and/or veganism.

 

> That is why I enjoy both the spice and slimming

> list. I think they

> have a lot in common and you do a great job

> Pat! Both are very

> positive list. I think you are a very good host

> and I like how you

> make people feel comfortable.

 

*blush* Awwww! *hug* Nice to have satisfied

customers! Now please please please, after such a

long and informative post as this last one,

please please please don't fade away. Okay?

 

Love and hugs, Pat

 

 

 

 

 

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Here in the Philippines, we have " extra virgin coconut oil " that is already

available in the market. Since coconuts are one of the abundant trees here,

we were able to use its beneficial properties. There are those that come in

capsule and in bottled packaging. It is has been proven already by

scientists and doctors here in the Philippines that it can even stop the

continuous spread of cancer in the body and good slimming effects of the

body. The oil is now being developed for different uses for different needs.

I personally use it in many ways, I add it to my morning coffee, as

flavoring in many of my salad dressings, for aesthetic purposes and even use

it for cooking. A good alternative for health conscious people. I just don't

know if they are available in your supermarkets though?

 

Carlo

 

On Feb 3, 2008 10:16 PM, Pat <drpatsant wrote:

 

>

> > I never can understand people's fish oil

> > fascination. Except to say I

> > suppose it is due to product advertising

> > towards marketing, driven by

> > having something to do with selling the rest of

> > the fish after all of

> > the other parts are used.

>

> I think you have probably put your finger on it,

> and your parallel example with the sugar cane

> byproducts is apposite - and startling. (Learn

> something every day, I do!)

>

>

> > vegetable sources of all

> > necessary nutrients have a true advantage in

> > quality . . .We have generous and

> > multiple benefits with

> > the vegan approach.

>

> Indeed. So why do people resist it? Just

> advertising? Even vegetarians and vegans will

> take/use animal-derived vitamins and minerals and

> OTC drugs if a medical 'necessity' arises - even

> though similar or better benefits can be obtained

> by using plant-based products - or none at all

> (as is so often the case).

>

> > The problem here is that

> > the fish are not

> > speaking up and the vegetables are keeping

> > quiet.

>

> Lovely! Mind you, the fish are 'speaking up' - so

> to speak (hmmm) - by their increased silence as

> their numbers dwindle. You'd think we'd all catch

> on that not only are fish products and fish oil

> unnecessary for humans but are also, in a selfish

> way of thinking, dangerous to continued human

> life on this planet - and right now we have no

> other to which to migrate and destroy with our

> greed.

>

> Thanks for your links on the various oils! Good

> info.

>

> > Because this is vegetarian spice! I might add

> > that oil is a great

> > holder and carrier of spice (back on topic).

>

> Yup, it is. I don't use it as a rule, but I have

> to admit it all tastes better if you use a

> smidgin of oil :)

>

> > My hobby is to collect exotic spice and foods.

>

> Lovely! And I like what you say here:

>

> > Not only does spice taste good and provide

> > health benefits it helps

> > me eat less calories by making the food taste

> > so good that I am

> > satisfied more quickly.

>

> That's true. Also, loving spices in a multitude

> of cuisines gives a variety to our food that it

> might not normally have. For those who like to

> eat bland food, well, that's up to them. But my

> joy in spicy foods is two-fold: the flavour and

> variety (as stated) added to almost any dish; the

> opportunity to experiment with other cuisines,

> many of which have a very long tradition of

> vegetarianism and/or veganism.

>

> > That is why I enjoy both the spice and slimming

> > list. I think they

> > have a lot in common and you do a great job

> > Pat! Both are very

> > positive list. I think you are a very good host

> > and I like how you

> > make people feel comfortable.

>

> *blush* Awwww! *hug* Nice to have satisfied

> customers! Now please please please, after such a

> long and informative post as this last one,

> please please please don't fade away. Okay?

>

> Love and hugs, Pat

>

> ----

> Vegetarian Spice:

> http://beanvegan.blogspot.com

> Vegan World Cuisine: http://www.care2.com/c2cvegworld

> Vegetarian Slimming: vegetarianslimming

> Vegetarians In Canada: vegetariansincanada

> " Atrocities are not less atrocities when they occur in laboratories and

> are called medical research. " (George Bernard Shaw)

>

> ________

> Be a better friend, newshound, and

> know-it-all with Mobile. Try it now.

> http://mobile./;_ylt=Ahu06i62sR8HDtDypao8Wcj9tAcJ

>

>

>

 

 

 

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On 2/4/08, Carlo Oliveros <oliveros.carlo wrote:

>

> Here in the Philippines, we have " extra virgin coconut oil " that is already

> available in the market. Since coconuts are one of the abundant trees here,

> we were able to use its beneficial properties. There are those that come in

> capsule and in bottled packaging. It is has been proven already by

> scientists and doctors here in the Philippines that it can even stop the

> continuous spread of cancer in the body and good slimming effects of the

> body.

 

Hi, Carlo!

 

Here in the States, coconut oil is controversial. Some people swear by

it, saying the things you say about its great health benefits, while

others say it is as dangerous to eat as meat (because it is high in

saturated fat.) I have not seen coconut oil products in supermarkets,

but I have seen them available online for mailorder.

 

Sparrow

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Yes it is in Middle Eastern Stores and I do use it. Brand name,

Parachute coconut oil. It is a very good brand with good processing.

It is I think a virgin oil even though they don't say that and the

best thing is that the price is low. Around six dollars for a litre.

The reason is that they are an old company producing oil prior to the

hype. Plus where I buy it the prices on everything are lower than

health food stores.

http://www.maricoindia.com/parachute.htm

 

Same thing with my authentic food source red yeast rice. It is

amazing for food use. It was not for any purpose like the medical use

today. It may work better for that than the pills because it is real

unprocessed red yeast rice, I don't know. It is in a plastic jar,

from China, nothing taste like it. I use it for soups or baked tofu.

Stir fry's. It is a bright color red, pungent and salty. At that same

Asian store I also buy a fermented rice product which is white and

has a sweetly spirituous flavor. Great to cook with also. They say it

can be eaten without cooking from the jar. I will have to try that

sometime on a salad when I have just opened the jar.

 

I also use Mimi Red Palm oil bought from the Middle Eastern store.

Both are the so-called behemoth saturated fats of misfortune. But,

neither have any relation to animal fat which is to my knowledge,

never been a differential in study or research. But there is a

difference.

 

This is not the brand that I buy but it is a good site for info.

http://www.wildernessfamilynaturals.com/natural_palm_oil.htm?

gclid=CKW76vrGrZECFQT-lgoduieqfw

http://tinyurl.com/2babds

 

Both of these oils will stay at room temperature for a long time and

not change state (because they have no double bonds and have all the

hydrogen that they can hold onto).

Whatever that " really " means. I'm not a Linus Carl Pauling (Einstein

joke). But they have done very well in my hot kitchen where there is

no A/C during the summer time. They don't turn rancid or spoil for

many months or more. During the cold months, like now they get hard

and I have to make them liquid. I keep some red palm oil mixed with

olive oil so it will not get hard.

 

 

, " Carlo Oliveros "

<oliveros.carlo wrote:

>

> Just sharing...

>

> Here in the Philippines, we have " extra virgin coconut oil " that is

already

> available in the market. Since coconuts are one of the abundant

trees here,

> we were able to use its beneficial properties. There are those that

come in

> capsule and in bottled packaging. It is has been proven already by

> scientists and doctors here in the Philippines that it can even

stop the

> continuous spread of cancer in the body and good slimming effects

of the

> body. The oil is now being developed for different uses for

different needs.

> I personally use it in many ways, I add it to my morning coffee, as

> flavoring in many of my salad dressings, for aesthetic purposes and

even use

> it for cooking. A good alternative for health conscious people. I

just don't

> know if they are available in your supermarkets though?

>

> Carlo

>

> On Feb 3, 2008 10:16 PM, Pat <drpatsant wrote:

>

> >

> > > I never can understand people's fish oil

> > > fascination. Except to say I

> > > suppose it is due to product advertising

> > > towards marketing, driven by

> > > having something to do with selling the rest of

> > > the fish after all of

> > > the other parts are used.

> >

> > I think you have probably put your finger on it,

> > and your parallel example with the sugar cane

> > byproducts is apposite - and startling. (Learn

> > something every day, I do!)

> >

> >

> > > vegetable sources of all

> > > necessary nutrients have a true advantage in

> > > quality . . .We have generous and

> > > multiple benefits with

> > > the vegan approach.

> >

> > Indeed. So why do people resist it? Just

> > advertising? Even vegetarians and vegans will

> > take/use animal-derived vitamins and minerals and

> > OTC drugs if a medical 'necessity' arises - even

> > though similar or better benefits can be obtained

> > by using plant-based products - or none at all

> > (as is so often the case).

> >

> > > The problem here is that

> > > the fish are not

> > > speaking up and the vegetables are keeping

> > > quiet.

> >

> > Lovely! Mind you, the fish are 'speaking up' - so

> > to speak (hmmm) - by their increased silence as

> > their numbers dwindle. You'd think we'd all catch

> > on that not only are fish products and fish oil

> > unnecessary for humans but are also, in a selfish

> > way of thinking, dangerous to continued human

> > life on this planet - and right now we have no

> > other to which to migrate and destroy with our

> > greed.

> >

> > Thanks for your links on the various oils! Good

> > info.

> >

> > > Because this is vegetarian spice! I might add

> > > that oil is a great

> > > holder and carrier of spice (back on topic).

> >

> > Yup, it is. I don't use it as a rule, but I have

> > to admit it all tastes better if you use a

> > smidgin of oil :)

> >

> > > My hobby is to collect exotic spice and foods.

> >

> > Lovely! And I like what you say here:

> >

> > > Not only does spice taste good and provide

> > > health benefits it helps

> > > me eat less calories by making the food taste

> > > so good that I am

> > > satisfied more quickly.

> >

> > That's true. Also, loving spices in a multitude

> > of cuisines gives a variety to our food that it

> > might not normally have. For those who like to

> > eat bland food, well, that's up to them. But my

> > joy in spicy foods is two-fold: the flavour and

> > variety (as stated) added to almost any dish; the

> > opportunity to experiment with other cuisines,

> > many of which have a very long tradition of

> > vegetarianism and/or veganism.

> >

> > > That is why I enjoy both the spice and slimming

> > > list. I think they

> > > have a lot in common and you do a great job

> > > Pat! Both are very

> > > positive list. I think you are a very good host

> > > and I like how you

> > > make people feel comfortable.

> >

> > *blush* Awwww! *hug* Nice to have satisfied

> > customers! Now please please please, after such a

> > long and informative post as this last one,

> > please please please don't fade away. Okay?

> >

> > Love and hugs, Pat

> >

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