Vegetarian Diabetics

April 26, 2008

Is there anyone here who is a type 1 or type 2 diabetic? I would l ike

to move towards a more vegetarian or vegan lifestyle and I want to know

how would I be able to manage my diabetes with this choice in eating.

Thank you in advance for you help.

April 27, 2008

I can recommend a book that tells you how to manage diabetes with a

vegan lifestyle. It is written by Dr. Joel Fuhrman, and it is called

" Eat To Live " . It describes how to reverse most modern diseases using

a vegan lifestyle.

, " Dani " <kdpayton83 wrote:

>

> Is there anyone here who is a type 1 or type 2 diabetic? I would l ike

> to move towards a more vegetarian or vegan lifestyle and I want to know

> how would I be able to manage my diabetes with this choice in eating.

> Thank you in advance for you help.

>

April 27, 2008

Tina wrote:

> I can recommend a book that tells you how to manage diabetes

> with a

> vegan lifestyle. It is written by Dr. Joel Fuhrman, and it

> is called

> " Eat To Live " . It describes how to reverse most

> modern diseases using

> a vegan lifestyle.

That's a good book!!! I know a lot of people who follow that diet! Also, Dr Neal

Barnard has a book out on Reversing Diabetes. Meanwhile, if there are others

here who are diabetic or pre-diabetic (I thought there were quite a few!), it

would be kind if you could write in, even briefly, to give our new member a

little hope

Love and hugs, Pat

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April 29, 2008

My turn. I vote for Dr. Fuhrman too.

http://www.vegandonelight.com/recommends/eat2live

And, of course, Dr. Barnard. He was the first

big name of the bunch to endorse my cookbook.

Here's his book on Reversing Diabetes:

http://www.vegandonelight.com/amazon/?item=1594868107

But, I've also a more unconventional possibility

to add to the list as well, namely, the raw food

diet, as advocated by Gabriel Cousens in his new

book There Is A Cure For Diabetes:

http://www.vegandonelight.com/amazon/?item=1556436912

Haven't read it yet, but it's in " the stack. "

-Erin

http://www.zenpawn.com/vegblog

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Pat

Sunday, April 27, 2008 5:11 PM

Re: Vegetarian Diabetics

Hi Dani and welcome. Well no, I'm not diabetic or pre-diabetic myself, but I

do worry about it a bit because it's in the family and I'm of the age that

makes me a prime candidate. I think we do have several diabetic members

here. And yes of course they are vegetarian or vegan Someone has already

recommended Dr Fuhrman's book to you (it's excellent) and I have mentioned

Dr Barnard's in response (also looks good to me). Meanwhile, maybe you will

hear from some others - I hope.

Enjoy the group!

Best, Pat (Group owner)

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April 29, 2008

Thanks Erin - Somehow I had overlooked Cousens' book. Raw should work

exceptionally well, thinking logically that is. I'll have to have a look at that

one too I've no plans to 'go diabetic' but with so many diabetics now in this

country and yours, it's wise to be informed I think.

As for Raw Food - I wish there were more here who ate raw because then we could

all have a good chat about it and exchange recipes! Maybe we could interest a

few in going raw? I'm not raw myself, but I'd say upwards of 70 per cent of my

diet is raw right now and I'm working on the rest. (You and a handful of people

on the Care2 network have inspired me.)

Love and hugs, Pat

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April 29, 2008

i inquired if anyone on here is diabetic because i am and i had been eating more

fruits and veggies. i went to see a dietician at the diabetes center (health

insurance paid for it) to work on losing more weight. i found out i wasn't

eating right. i wasn't getting enough protein and carbs because i was filling up

during the day of fruit, veggies, and water. i'm trying to find a way to

incorporate more protein and carbs into my diet without neglecting my newfound

love of fruits and veggies.

dani

Pat <drpatsant

Tuesday, April 29, 2008 8:10:49 AM

Re: Vegetarian Diabetics

Thanks Erin - Somehow I had overlooked Cousens' book. Raw should work

exceptionally well, thinking logically that is. I'll have to have a look at that

one too I've no plans to 'go diabetic' but with so many diabetics now in this

country and yours, it's wise to be informed I think.

As for Raw Food - I wish there were more here who ate raw because then we could

all have a good chat about it and exchange recipes! Maybe we could interest a

few in going raw? I'm not raw myself, but I'd say upwards of 70 per cent of my

diet is raw right now and I'm working on the rest. (You and a handful of people

on the Care2 network have inspired me.)

Love and hugs, Pat

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April 29, 2008

Hi Dani,

As a diabetic myself, I've been increasing the number of veggies, beans and

grains into my diet. I'm still watching how much fruit I eat because they

really reek havoc with my sugars. I found a great book called 366 Delicious

Ways to Cook Rice, Beans and Grains. The Two Bean Chili with Bulgar is great.

We had it last night. My fasting sugars are still high but they are coming

down.

I would suggest trying to add some beans and grains to your diet to get the

complete protein and carbs you need but I'm not a doctor or dietician, I can

only speak from my own experience.

I hope this helps

Stephanie

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Kimberly Payton

Tuesday, April 29, 2008 8:10 AM

Re: Vegetarian Diabetics

i inquired if anyone on here is diabetic because i am and i had been eating

more fruits and veggies. i went to see a dietician at the diabetes center

(health insurance paid for it) to work on losing more weight. i found out i

wasn't eating right. i wasn't getting enough protein and carbs because i was

filling up during the day of fruit, veggies, and water. i'm trying to find a way

to incorporate more protein and carbs into my diet without neglecting my

newfound love of fruits and veggies.

dani

Pat <drpatsant

Tuesday, April 29, 2008 8:10:49 AM

Re: Vegetarian Diabetics

Thanks Erin - Somehow I had overlooked Cousens' book. Raw should work

exceptionally well, thinking logically that is. I'll have to have a look at that

one too I've no plans to 'go diabetic' but with so many diabetics now in this

country and yours, it's wise to be informed I think.

As for Raw Food - I wish there were more here who ate raw because then we

could all have a good chat about it and exchange recipes! Maybe we could

interest a few in going raw? I'm not raw myself, but I'd say upwards of 70 per

cent of my diet is raw right now and I'm working on the rest. (You and a handful

of people on the Care2 network have inspired me.)

Love and hugs, Pat

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April 29, 2008

A raw diet seems particularly unsuited to a person who relies on legumes

as a major protein source (or even as THE major protein source).

Many legumes are indigestible, or marginally so, or even potentially

toxic if eaten RAW. Beans of the genus /Phaseolus,/ but especially

kidney beans, red or white, need to be boiled to deactivate the

naturally occurring organic compound (lectin phytohemagglutinin) they

contain. If ingested this lectin may at the very least cause severe

gastric distress. Other beans of the genus /Phaseolus /also contain

lectins, but in lower concentrations, as do fava beans (genus /Vicia/).

Raw soybeans, lima beans, peanuts and other legumes contain compounds

that are trypsin inhibitors. The body requires trypsin (manufactured in

the pancreas) to break down and digest protein.

Tofu -- a major vegetarian protein source, and certainly a major

component of my diet -- is a cooked and processed food, even though it

may look raw. Tofu is precipitated chemically from concentrated

soymilk, and soymilk is made by grinding, cooking and straining soybeans.

Regards,

Kimberly Payton wrote:

>

> i inquired if anyone on here is diabetic because i am and i had been

> eating more fruits and veggies. i went to see a dietician at the

> diabetes center (health insurance paid for it) to work on losing more

> weight. i found out i wasn't eating right. i wasn't getting enough

> protein and carbs because i was filling up during the day of fruit,

> veggies, and water. i'm trying to find a way to incorporate more

> protein and carbs into my diet without neglecting my newfound love of

> fruits and veggies.

>

> dani

>

> Pat <drpatsant <drpatsant%40>>

>

> <%40>

> Tuesday, April 29, 2008 8:10:49 AM

> Re: Vegetarian Diabetics

>

> Thanks Erin - Somehow I had overlooked Cousens' book. Raw should work

> exceptionally well, thinking logically that is. I'll have to have a

> look at that one too I've no plans to 'go diabetic' but with so

> many diabetics now in this country and yours, it's wise to be informed

> I think.

>

> As for Raw Food - I wish there were more here who ate raw because then

> we could all have a good chat about it and exchange recipes! Maybe we

> could interest a few in going raw? I'm not raw myself, but I'd say

> upwards of 70 per cent of my diet is raw right now and I'm working on

> the rest. (You and a handful of people on the Care2 network have

> inspired me.)

>

> Love and hugs, Pat

>

> ----

> My blog: http://beanvegan. blogspot. com

> " Atrocities are not less atrocities when they occur in laboratories

> and are called medical research. " (George Bernard Shaw)

>

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April 29, 2008

Hi, you wrote:

> A raw diet seems particularly unsuited to a person who

> relies on legumes

> as a major protein source (or even as THE major protein

> source).

Well, I'm not sure quite who you mean here - do you mean diabetics? I guess so,

considering the thread. Others, of course, don't necessarily rely so much on

legumes.

> Many legumes are indigestible, or marginally so, or even

> potentially

> toxic if eaten RAW.

I think raw foodists do a lot of work to find out which things they can eat and

which they cannot eat so I wouldn't fret too much. It is however nice to be

warned away from potentially toxic substances. I must check again into all this.

You know, many people eat _sprouted_ raw legumes with no ill effects! As for

protein, raw seeds and raw nuts make a nice substitute for your tofu and

whatever - taste good too!!!!! Of course, I do understand that many people are

highly suspicious of a raw diet.

> Tofu -- a major vegetarian protein source, and certainly a

> major

> component of my diet -- is a cooked and processed food

Indeed - but see my paragraph above. Are you diabetic btw? If so, as a

vegetarian diabetic you then use mainly beans for protein?? Just curious. Have

you had good success on a vegetarian diet? Please share if you have - it can

help others who are vegetarian or vegan (raw or not) and who are also diabetic

or pre-diabetic.

Have you read Dr Cousens' book? As I wrote earlier, I haven't yet, but I

certainly will take a look at it if I get the chance. (I'm not a nutritionist or

health-care professional, I should add, but I do try to keep up with these

things.)

You know what? - I have a cyberpal who is Type I Diabetic and is a raw strict

fruitarian (fruits only, no seeds, nuts or grains). I know, I know LOL I gasped

when I heard that, but it works for her somehow. I must ask her more about it

but, drat, she's away from her computer now for an unspecified time, which is

just slightly inconvenient for communication Shall let you know when I can

ask her and get a response, I promise.

Nice to hear from you - why not tell me/us a little about yourself? We'd love to

get to know you a little better now that we've 'met' you!

Love and hugs, Pat

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April 29, 2008

I know there is a raw food discussion group on www.vegsource.com

Pat <drpatsant wrote: Hi, you wrote:

> A raw diet seems particularly unsuited to a person who

> relies on legumes

> as a major protein source (or even as THE major protein

> source).

Well, I'm not sure quite who you mean here - do you mean diabetics? I guess so,

considering the thread. Others, of course, don't necessarily rely so much on

legumes.

> Many legumes are indigestible, or marginally so, or even

> potentially

> toxic if eaten RAW.

I think raw foodists do a lot of work to find out which things they can eat and

which they cannot eat so I wouldn't fret too much. It is however nice to be

warned away from potentially toxic substances. I must check again into all this.

You know, many people eat _sprouted_ raw legumes with no ill effects! As for

protein, raw seeds and raw nuts make a nice substitute for your tofu and

whatever - taste good too!!!!! Of course, I do understand that many people are

highly suspicious of a raw diet.

> Tofu -- a major vegetarian protein source, and certainly a

> major

> component of my diet -- is a cooked and processed food

Indeed - but see my paragraph above. Are you diabetic btw? If so, as a

vegetarian diabetic you then use mainly beans for protein?? Just curious. Have

you had good success on a vegetarian diet? Please share if you have - it can

help others who are vegetarian or vegan (raw or not) and who are also diabetic

or pre-diabetic.

Have you read Dr Cousens' book? As I wrote earlier, I haven't yet, but I

certainly will take a look at it if I get the chance. (I'm not a nutritionist or

health-care professional, I should add, but I do try to keep up with these

things.)

You know what? - I have a cyberpal who is Type I Diabetic and is a raw strict

fruitarian (fruits only, no seeds, nuts or grains). I know, I know LOL I gasped

when I heard that, but it works for her somehow. I must ask her more about it

but, drat, she's away from her computer now for an unspecified time, which is

just slightly inconvenient for communication Shall let you know when I can

ask her and get a response, I promise.

Nice to hear from you - why not tell me/us a little about yourself? We'd love to

get to know you a little better now that we've 'met' you!

Love and hugs, Pat

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April 29, 2008

I don't think anyone's advocating eating raw legumes.

Even, or rather especially, undercooked beans can be

dangerous. I've had the displeasure of experiencing

such a poisoning myself and blogged about it some time

back. I refer people to it often as a public service

announcement:

http://www.zenpawn.com/vegblog/2006/07/15/boil-those-beans/

-Erin

http://www.rawdonelight.com

p.s. - You didn't sign your name.

How should we address you?

-

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Tuesday, April 29, 2008 1:02 PM