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Hi everyone!

 

My name is Erin, and I'm a recent college grad who has been attempting

the vegetarian lifestyle her whole life. It started when I was ten,

and decided that I simply could not eat anything with a face. It was a

very childlike mentality, I suppose, but it's still the way I feel,

over a decade later. My family thinks it's wrong to abstain from

eating meat for merely " sentimental " reasons and are concerned that

veganism is my religion, but I am proud of my decision and feel a more

spiritual connection to the planet.

 

I tried going vegan as a kid, too, though I wasn't even familiar with

the term at the time; I just thought eggs were gross, and I never

liked drinking milk or eating cheese. In my twenties I found out I was

lactose-intolerant, so that explained why I've never been crazy about

dairy products!

 

Unfortunately, I struggle to be a true vegan, simply because I can't

always afford fresh fruits, veggies and grains, and sometimes need to

supplement my pasta with some parmesan, or something. Eating out is

even tougher, and I'm always going out with my friends. Over the years

I've even fallen off the vegetarian wagon at times, simply because

I've gotten sick from not eating a complete diet. My doctors

encouraged me to go back to being an omnivore for a while. I tried it,

but I never felt any better. So over the past year I've gradually gone

back to vegetarianism; I've been trying veganism the past few months.

 

Truthfully, it's not going so well. I feel better eating this way, but

my health has been suffering. I've been to a nutritionist, and I make

meal plans and cook healthy vegetarian food, but I've been struck with

a series of health problems that I wonder about being related to a

high soy intake.

 

I hate to put a damper on the wonderful vegetarian lifestyle, but does

anyone else feel my pain? How many of you have struggled to go veggie

and stay healthy? Does anyone know of any specific health problems

related to vegetarianism? That sounds silly, because everything I've

ever read insists that herbivores are healthier than omnivores.

 

My doctors don't think my health issues are diet-related, but I still

wonder about the soy. What do you think?

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When I read your post I could relate to a few points and I felt I needed to tell

you a few things. I got real sick a few years ago. My doctors could not tell me

what was wrong. I spent many months in and out of the hospital. They told me I

had lupus ( I don't), then thay told me I was diabetic( I am not). My speech

started suffering and werid nerological side effects happened So after many many

test. One doctor ( i had 7) decided to check my B12. I was severly B12 lacking.

They started me on B12 shots right away. I still give myself the shot twice a

month. My doctor said it was because I did not eat animal products. I had

damaged nerological connections that ca not get better. I now stutter. I

started eating meat, and within a few months my cholestor went sky high, so I

had to take a med. My stomach hurt all the time( another daily med) I gained 30

lbs ( I was now fat) So now I was eating animals, on 3 types of meds and fat.

Last Oct. I deciede I had enough. I stopped

eating animals I am off those pills and my cholestoral is 176. I have been

slowly sheading the weight.

 

The most important test I think is to have your doctor check your B12. It is

not a test that is normally used. It is not in your yearly blood work. PLease

request that test every single year. I was so sick for a full year and it boiled

down to B12.

I know fresh veggie can be expensive, but worth the cost of good health. Try

to balance meals, make them count.

 

Bless you

erinc_dale <erin.c.dale wrote:

Hi everyone!

 

My name is Erin, and I'm a recent college grad who has been attempting

the vegetarian lifestyle her whole life. It started when I was ten,

and decided that I simply could not eat anything with a face. It was a

very childlike mentality, I suppose, but it's still the way I feel,

over a decade later. My family thinks it's wrong to abstain from

eating meat for merely " sentimental " reasons and are concerned that

veganism is my religion, but I am proud of my decision and feel a more

spiritual connection to the planet.

 

I tried going vegan as a kid, too, though I wasn't even familiar with

the term at the time; I just thought eggs were gross, and I never

liked drinking milk or eating cheese. In my twenties I found out I was

lactose-intolerant, so that explained why I've never been crazy about

dairy products!

 

Unfortunately, I struggle to be a true vegan, simply because I can't

always afford fresh fruits, veggies and grains, and sometimes need to

supplement my pasta with some parmesan, or something. Eating out is

even tougher, and I'm always going out with my friends. Over the years

I've even fallen off the vegetarian wagon at times, simply because

I've gotten sick from not eating a complete diet. My doctors

encouraged me to go back to being an omnivore for a while. I tried it,

but I never felt any better. So over the past year I've gradually gone

back to vegetarianism; I've been trying veganism the past few months.

 

Truthfully, it's not going so well. I feel better eating this way, but

my health has been suffering. I've been to a nutritionist, and I make

meal plans and cook healthy vegetarian food, but I've been struck with

a series of health problems that I wonder about being related to a

high soy intake.

 

I hate to put a damper on the wonderful vegetarian lifestyle, but does

anyone else feel my pain? How many of you have struggled to go veggie

and stay healthy? Does anyone know of any specific health problems

related to vegetarianism? That sounds silly, because everything I've

ever read insists that herbivores are healthier than omnivores.

 

My doctors don't think my health issues are diet-related, but I still

wonder about the soy. What do you think?

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

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Hey Erin,

My husband and I were vegetarians for several years, but were not

feeling right. We ate a lot of soy cheeses, lunch meats and products

with soy protein isolate and concentrate. We had low energy levels and

some digestive problems. This stopped when we stopped eating all those

soy products. Fermented soy products are good, but unfermented soy

which is used in many products in the US can cause problems with the

body absorbing some needed vitamins and minerals. And soy protein

isolate or concentrate contains high amounts of aluminum. We were

shocked when we Googled soy, dangers and aluminum. Just do some

internet searches and you'll see what I mean. I hope you figure out the

problem you are having and get to feeling better.

We have been eating poultry and fish for a few years. but are now going

vegetarian again. I recently went on a 2-day fruit fast and ate just

fruits and veggies a day or two before and after. Between that and

reading posts on this site, I've really lost the taste for any meat. It

just feels right. Does anyone have a good recipe for veggie burgers

without soy?

 

Kat

, " erinc_dale " <erin.c.dale

wrote:

>

>

> I hate to put a damper on the wonderful vegetarian lifestyle, but does

> anyone else feel my pain? How many of you have struggled to go veggie

> and stay healthy? Does anyone know of any specific health problems

> related to vegetarianism? That sounds silly, because everything I've

> ever read insists that herbivores are healthier than omnivores.

>

> My doctors don't think my health issues are diet-related, but I still

> wonder about the soy. What do you think?

>

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> Fermented soy products are good, but unfermented soy

> which is used in many products in the US can cause problems with the

> body absorbing some needed vitamins and minerals.

 

Which soy products are " fermented? " Which soy products are " unfermented? "

 

Most legumes -- kidney beans and related varieties, soy beans, peanuts

-- contain trypsin inhibitors, which block the action of the trypsin

made in the pancreas and reduce the absorption of nutrients, including

the nutrients in the legumes themselves. That's why we don't (or at

least shouldn't) eat raw or insufficiently cooked beans. (Even if we

think that 'raw' foods are inherently more nutritious!)

 

As for aluminum -- it's in just about everything we eat: aluminum is

one of the most common chemical elements in the earth's crust, and is in

all of our topsoil.

 

If you believe everything you find about nutrition on google, and act on

it, you won't be able to eat ANYTHING at all.

 

jrfm

 

 

 

 

mini_blond wrote:

>

> Hey Erin,

> My husband and I were vegetarians for several years, but were not

> feeling right. We ate a lot of soy cheeses, lunch meats and products

> with soy protein isolate and concentrate. We had low energy levels and

> some digestive problems. This stopped when we stopped eating all those

> soy products. Fermented soy products are good, but unfermented soy

> which is used in many products in the US can cause problems with the

> body absorbing some needed vitamins and minerals. And soy protein

> isolate or concentrate contains high amounts of aluminum. We were

> shocked when we Googled soy, dangers and aluminum. Just do some

> internet searches and you'll see what I mean. I hope you figure out the

> problem you are having and get to feeling better.

> We have been eating poultry and fish for a few years. but are now going

> vegetarian again. I recently went on a 2-day fruit fast and ate just

> fruits and veggies a day or two before and after. Between that and

> reading posts on this site, I've really lost the taste for any meat. It

> just feels right. Does anyone have a good recipe for veggie burgers

> without soy?

>

> Kat

>

> <%40>, " erinc_dale " <erin.c.dale

> wrote:

> >

> >

> > I hate to put a damper on the wonderful vegetarian lifestyle, but does

> > anyone else feel my pain? How many of you have struggled to go veggie

> > and stay healthy? Does anyone know of any specific health problems

> > related to vegetarianism? That sounds silly, because everything I've

> > ever read insists that herbivores are healthier than omnivores.

> >

> > My doctors don't think my health issues are diet-related, but I still

> > wonder about the soy. What do you think?

> >

>

>

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> Which soy products are " fermented? " Which soy products are " unfermented? "

 

Miso, natto, tempeh and tamari/soy sauce where the ingredients are

just soybeas, water , salt and maybe wheat. All other soy products

are unfermented.

 

> Most legumes -- kidney beans and related varieties, soy beans, peanuts

> -- contain trypsin inhibitors, which block the action of the trypsin

> made in the pancreas and reduce the absorption of nutrients, including

> the nutrients in the legumes themselves. That's why we don't (or at

> least shouldn't) eat raw or insufficiently cooked beans. (Even if we

> think that 'raw' foods are inherently more nutritious!)

 

Phytase also blocks the absorption of nutrients from grains, nuts, and

seeds. Soaking them 7-24 hours in a slightly acidic solution before

cooking will greatly increase the nutrition you can absorb from these

foods.

 

> As for aluminum -- it's in just about everything we eat: aluminum is

> one of the most common chemical elements in the earth's crust, and is in

> all of our topsoil.

 

There's natural amounts of aluminum, then there's unnatural amounts.

I agree that it is unavoidable, but with all of the solid research

connecting excess aluminum with Alzheimer's and other brain disorders,

it's very wise to avoid it where you can.

 

KerryAnn

www.cookingtf.com

www.tfrecipes.com/forum/

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Wow, Robin. Thanks for your reply. I'm sorry to hear you suffered

such severe health issues... mine have been frustrating, but not quite

that bad. I'm living with some things that may simply be in my

biochemical makeup, and the last time I went to my doc (today,

actually!), he confirmed that my problems most likely have nothing to

do with my diet. I'll definitely look into the B12 thing though... I

notice I'm at my healthiest when taking a multivitamin that contains

iron and B12, some things vegans tend to miss out on. I just hate

taking pills (feels weird and unnatural to me), but it does seem to

help, at least for now. I'll definitely take your advice and look into

B12. I hope you are doing well now, and thank you so much for taking

the time to respond to my little query. :)

 

Peace,

Erin

 

, Robin Chaloune <rchaloune

wrote:

>

> When I read your post I could relate to a few points and I felt I

needed to tell you a few things. I got real sick a few years ago. My

doctors could not tell me what was wrong. I spent many months in and

out of the hospital. They told me I had lupus ( I don't), then thay

told me I was diabetic( I am not). My speech started suffering and

werid nerological side effects happened So after many many test. One

doctor ( i had 7) decided to check my B12. I was severly B12 lacking.

They started me on B12 shots right away. I still give myself the shot

twice a month. My doctor said it was because I did not eat animal

products. I had damaged nerological connections that ca not get

better. I now stutter. I started eating meat, and within a few months

my cholestor went sky high, so I had to take a med. My stomach hurt

all the time( another daily med) I gained 30 lbs ( I was now fat) So

now I was eating animals, on 3 types of meds and fat. Last Oct. I

deciede I had enough. I stopped

> eating animals I am off those pills and my cholestoral is 176. I

have been slowly sheading the weight.

>

> The most important test I think is to have your doctor check your

B12. It is not a test that is normally used. It is not in your yearly

blood work. PLease request that test every single year. I was so sick

for a full year and it boiled down to B12.

> I know fresh veggie can be expensive, but worth the cost of good

health. Try to balance meals, make them count.

>

> Bless you

> erinc_dale <erin.c.dale wrote:

> Hi everyone!

>

> My name is Erin, and I'm a recent college grad who has been attempting

> the vegetarian lifestyle her whole life. It started when I was ten,

> and decided that I simply could not eat anything with a face. It was a

> very childlike mentality, I suppose, but it's still the way I feel,

> over a decade later. My family thinks it's wrong to abstain from

> eating meat for merely " sentimental " reasons and are concerned that

> veganism is my religion, but I am proud of my decision and feel a more

> spiritual connection to the planet.

>

> I tried going vegan as a kid, too, though I wasn't even familiar with

> the term at the time; I just thought eggs were gross, and I never

> liked drinking milk or eating cheese. In my twenties I found out I was

> lactose-intolerant, so that explained why I've never been crazy about

> dairy products!

>

> Unfortunately, I struggle to be a true vegan, simply because I can't

> always afford fresh fruits, veggies and grains, and sometimes need to

> supplement my pasta with some parmesan, or something. Eating out is

> even tougher, and I'm always going out with my friends. Over the years

> I've even fallen off the vegetarian wagon at times, simply because

> I've gotten sick from not eating a complete diet. My doctors

> encouraged me to go back to being an omnivore for a while. I tried it,

> but I never felt any better. So over the past year I've gradually gone

> back to vegetarianism; I've been trying veganism the past few months.

>

> Truthfully, it's not going so well. I feel better eating this way, but

> my health has been suffering. I've been to a nutritionist, and I make

> meal plans and cook healthy vegetarian food, but I've been struck with

> a series of health problems that I wonder about being related to a

> high soy intake.

>

> I hate to put a damper on the wonderful vegetarian lifestyle, but does

> anyone else feel my pain? How many of you have struggled to go veggie

> and stay healthy? Does anyone know of any specific health problems

> related to vegetarianism? That sounds silly, because everything I've

> ever read insists that herbivores are healthier than omnivores.

>

> My doctors don't think my health issues are diet-related, but I still

> wonder about the soy. What do you think?

>

 

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Hi Kat,

 

Thanks for your response. I, too, have been a vegetarian off and on

over the years, and never had health issues as difficult as the ones

I'm facing now... and come to think of it, the problems really seemed

to begin after I began eating more processed soy in an attempt to go

vegan. It's just convenient to grab those frozen soy dinners, like soy

mac and cheese, to tote to work, you know? I also ate a lot of fake

meat and soy cheeze... now it kind of grosses me out.

 

I sometimes wonder... isn't it a little bizarre that so many

vegetarians and vegans depend on these fake meats to get us through

and help us feel " normal " ? If you're a vegetarian for ethical reasons,

you may think it's a little sick to eat things that resemble and taste

like real meat. LOL. I don't know, I guess I'm just becoming more

hardcore lately, but it totally icks me out! Though I definitely ate a

tofu dog on Memorial Day... :)

 

I've been Googling soy, and there is definitely a lot of negative

press out there! I'll try sticking with the unprocessed stuff and see

if that helps. Thanks Kat!

 

Peace,

Erin

 

 

, " mini_blond " <mini_blond

wrote:

>

> Hey Erin,

> My husband and I were vegetarians for several years, but were not

> feeling right. We ate a lot of soy cheeses, lunch meats and products

> with soy protein isolate and concentrate. We had low energy levels and

> some digestive problems. This stopped when we stopped eating all those

> soy products. Fermented soy products are good, but unfermented soy

> which is used in many products in the US can cause problems with the

> body absorbing some needed vitamins and minerals. And soy protein

> isolate or concentrate contains high amounts of aluminum. We were

> shocked when we Googled soy, dangers and aluminum. Just do some

> internet searches and you'll see what I mean. I hope you figure out the

> problem you are having and get to feeling better.

> We have been eating poultry and fish for a few years. but are now going

> vegetarian again. I recently went on a 2-day fruit fast and ate just

> fruits and veggies a day or two before and after. Between that and

> reading posts on this site, I've really lost the taste for any meat. It

> just feels right. Does anyone have a good recipe for veggie burgers

> without soy?

>

> Kat

> , " erinc_dale " <erin.c.dale@>

> wrote:

> >

> >

> > I hate to put a damper on the wonderful vegetarian lifestyle, but does

> > anyone else feel my pain? How many of you have struggled to go veggie

> > and stay healthy? Does anyone know of any specific health problems

> > related to vegetarianism? That sounds silly, because everything I've

> > ever read insists that herbivores are healthier than omnivores.

> >

> > My doctors don't think my health issues are diet-related, but I still

> > wonder about the soy. What do you think?

> >

>

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