Guest guest Posted August 14, 2008 Report Share Posted August 14, 2008 Hi guys, I haven't posted since I joined this group, but I have been keeping up with reading your posts. And I've gotta say, something has really bugged me lately... Now, I haven't been a true vegetarian all that long. After trying most of life ( " trying, " then " falling off the wagon " ) I finally committed to a vegetarian lifestyle in January. That means I don't eat *any* flesh, I don't eat anything that comes from flesh (so that means no chicken or beef broth, no gelatin, no red candy since the dye comes from boiled beetles, etc.). If it weren't for my nutritionist, who suggested I approach things gradually, I would be a vegan right now. That's still what I'm striving for, but I realize it will probably take some time. Although I'm not a dietary vegan, yet, I'm all about the vegan beauty products, and I won't buy any leather, silk or wool. I share this just to offer up my perspective; let me share what's truly bothering me. I know this isn't just a group for vegetarians, that it's also for people interested in vegetarianism and recipes. So, please... could those of you who claim to be vegetarian but confess to eating meat or fish once and a while... could you please use some other term to describe yourself? I know this group is not an exclusive club. But can't we recognize that being vegetarian means eating NO flesh whatsoever? Isn't that the true definition? Some people think one can be a vegetarian and still eat fish, but that's not true. Then you're something else; I've heard people say " vegequarian, " which is cute, but " pescetarian " is more accurate. And those of you who still eat beef and poultry... I'm sorry. You may really, really like vegetables and eat vegetarian meals most of the time, but you are not *actually* a vegetarian. Sorry for being cranky, but this issue really irks me. I'm very passionate about animal activism, and while I don't hate on people who do eat meat, I can't deny how much it bothers me. But I'm not asking anyone on here to change their diets; I'm just asking that you reconsider the terms. Why define yourself as something if that's not who you are? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted August 14, 2008 Report Share Posted August 14, 2008 Couldn't agree with you more! I'll be attending a Meetup group for vegetarians next week. Will be curious to see ho many are true veggies and how many are " poseurs. " My husband actually does describe his way of eating honestly. He will say that he eats vegetarian at home, but may order chicken or fish out. He never claims to be vegetarian but has vegetarian meals 85% of the time. --- On Thu, 8/14/08, erinc_dale <erin.c.dale wrote: erinc_dale <erin.c.dale Vegetarian or Vegequarian? Thursday, August 14, 2008, 3:21 PM Hi guys, I haven't posted since I joined this group, but I have been keeping up with reading your posts. And I've gotta say, something has really bugged me lately... Now, I haven't been a true vegetarian all that long. After trying most of life ( " trying, " then " falling off the wagon " ) I finally committed to a vegetarian lifestyle in January. That means I don't eat *any* flesh, I don't eat anything that comes from flesh (so that means no chicken or beef broth, no gelatin, no red candy since the dye comes from boiled beetles, etc.). If it weren't for my nutritionist, who suggested I approach things gradually, I would be a vegan right now. That's still what I'm striving for, but I realize it will probably take some time. Although I'm not a dietary vegan, yet, I'm all about the vegan beauty products, and I won't buy any leather, silk or wool. I share this just to offer up my perspective; let me share what's truly bothering me. I know this isn't just a group for vegetarians, that it's also for people interested in vegetarianism and recipes. So, please... could those of you who claim to be vegetarian but confess to eating meat or fish once and a while... could you please use some other term to describe yourself? I know this group is not an exclusive club. But can't we recognize that being vegetarian means eating NO flesh whatsoever? Isn't that the true definition? Some people think one can be a vegetarian and still eat fish, but that's not true. Then you're something else; I've heard people say " vegequarian, " which is cute, but " pescetarian " is more accurate. And those of you who still eat beef and poultry... I'm sorry. You may really, really like vegetables and eat vegetarian meals most of the time, but you are not *actually* a vegetarian. Sorry for being cranky, but this issue really irks me. I'm very passionate about animal activism, and while I don't hate on people who do eat meat, I can't deny how much it bothers me. But I'm not asking anyone on here to change their diets; I'm just asking that you reconsider the terms. Why define yourself as something if that's not who you are? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted August 15, 2008 Report Share Posted August 15, 2008 Hi, I've wondered the same think about how people label themselves. I had a friend in CO. who said she was vegetarian but still ate fish. I just didn't get that. I was eating a vegetarian diet at the time, then started eating some poultry for health reasons. My friend got mad at me for eating poultry while she was eating fish. Huh? What's with that? I agree, that people should be more careful what labels they use, or not label at all. Like now I just say I don't eat mammals because I will still eat fish and poultry. I'm moving towards cutting out animal flesh, but until then I won't call myself a vegetarian. I think sometimes people just like to use popular terms without really knowing the definition. That's my theory anyway, but I agree it's bothered me too. Take care, Kat , " erinc_dale " <erin.c.dale wrote: > > Hi guys, > > I haven't posted since I joined this group, but I have been keeping up > with reading your posts. And I've gotta say, something has really > bugged me lately... > > Now, I haven't been a true vegetarian all that long. After trying most > of life ( " trying, " then " falling off the wagon " ) I finally committed > to a vegetarian lifestyle in January. That means I don't eat *any* > flesh, I don't eat anything that comes from flesh (so that means no > chicken or beef broth, no gelatin, no red candy since the dye comes > from boiled beetles, etc.). If it weren't for my nutritionist, who > suggested I approach things gradually, I would be a vegan right now. > That's still what I'm striving for, but I realize it will probably > take some time. Although I'm not a dietary vegan, yet, I'm all about > the vegan beauty products, and I won't buy any leather, silk or wool. > > I share this just to offer up my perspective; let me share what's > truly bothering me. I know this isn't just a group for vegetarians, > that it's also for people interested in vegetarianism and recipes. So, > please... could those of you who claim to be vegetarian but confess to > eating meat or fish once and a while... could you please use some > other term to describe yourself? I know this group is not an exclusive > club. But can't we recognize that being vegetarian means eating NO > flesh whatsoever? Isn't that the true definition? > > Some people think one can be a vegetarian and still eat fish, but > that's not true. Then you're something else; I've heard people say > " vegequarian, " which is cute, but " pescetarian " is more accurate. And > those of you who still eat beef and poultry... I'm sorry. You may > really, really like vegetables and eat vegetarian meals most of the > time, but you are not *actually* a vegetarian. > > Sorry for being cranky, but this issue really irks me. I'm very > passionate about animal activism, and while I don't hate on people who > do eat meat, I can't deny how much it bothers me. But I'm not asking > anyone on here to change their diets; I'm just asking that you > reconsider the terms. Why define yourself as something if that's not > who you are? > Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted August 15, 2008 Report Share Posted August 15, 2008 Ya, I think alot of people use it as a general term not really understanding the true definition. I bought a book that explained the different types of vegetarian/vegan terms and explaining the different eating choices. -- Susan, Tabitha & Pumpkin Pie, Six & Drifter, Jordan, Iceberg, Peanut, Samantha, Baily & Nokki -------------- Original message -------------- " mini_blond " <mini_blond Hi, I've wondered the same think about how people label themselves. I had a friend in CO. who said she was vegetarian but still ate fish. I just didn't get that. I was eating a vegetarian diet at the time, then started eating some poultry for health reasons. My friend got mad at me for eating poultry while she was eating fish. Huh? What's with that? I agree, that people should be more careful what labels they use, or not label at all. Like now I just say I don't eat mammals because I will still eat fish and poultry. I'm moving towards cutting out animal flesh, but until then I won't call myself a vegetarian. I think sometimes people just like to use popular terms without really knowing the definition. That's my theory anyway, but I agree it's bothered me too. Take care, Kat , " erinc_dale " <erin.c.dale wrote: > > Hi guys, > > I haven't posted since I joined this group, but I have been keeping up > with reading your posts. And I've gotta say, something has really > bugged me lately... > > Now, I haven't been a true vegetarian all that long. After trying most > of life ( " trying, " then " falling off the wagon " ) I finally committed > to a vegetarian lifestyle in January. That means I don't eat *any* > flesh, I don't eat anything that comes from flesh (so that means no > chicken or beef broth, no gelatin, no red candy since the dye comes > from boiled beetles, etc.). If it weren't for my nutritionist, who > suggested I approach things gradually, I would be a vegan right now. > That's still what I'm striving for, but I realize it will probably > take some time. Although I'm not a dietary vegan, yet, I'm all about > the vegan beauty products, and I won't buy any leather, silk or wool. > > I share this just to offer up my perspective; let me share what's > truly bothering me. I know this isn't just a group for vegetarians, > that it's also for people interested in vegetarianism and recipes. So, > please... could those of you who claim to be vegetarian but confess to > eating meat or fish once and a while... could you please use some > other term to describe yourself? I know this group is not an exclusive > club. But can't we recognize that being vegetarian means eating NO > flesh whatsoever? Isn't that the true definition? > > Some people think one can be a vegetarian and still eat fish, but > that's not true. Then you're something else; I've heard people say > " vegequarian, " which is cute, but " pescetarian " is more accurate. And > those of you who still eat beef and poultry... I'm sorry. You may > really, really like vegetables and eat vegetarian meals most of the > time, but you are not *actually* a vegetarian. > > Sorry for being cranky, but this issue really irks me. I'm very > passionate about animal activism, and while I don't hate on people who > do eat meat, I can't deny how much it bothers me. But I'm not asking > anyone on here to change their diets; I'm just asking that you > reconsider the terms. Why define yourself as something if that's not > who you are? > Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted August 16, 2008 Report Share Posted August 16, 2008 Sorry for being cranky, but this issue really irks me. I'm very passionate about animal activism, and while I don't hate on people who do eat meat, I can't deny how much it bothers me. But I'm not asking anyone on here to change their diets; I'm just asking that you reconsider the terms. Why define yourself as something if that's not who you are? Point taken. Apparently I had been given incorrect 'label definitions'. No one at Spark saw fit to set me straight. I will remove myself from this group. How smooth must be the language of the whites, when they can make right look like wrong, and wrong like right. - Black Hawk Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted August 16, 2008 Report Share Posted August 16, 2008 > Point taken. Apparently I had been given incorrect 'label definitions' . No one at Spark saw fit to set me straight. I will remove myself from this group. I am so very saddened to see this happen - vegetarians, vegans, non-vegetarians and those in transition are all welcome here. Best love, Pat (Co-owner, Vegetarian Spice) --- On Fri, 8/15/08, Lady Jexie <jexiebee wrote: Lady Jexie <jexiebee Re: Re: Vegetarian or Vegequarian? Friday, August 15, 2008, 8:00 PM Sorry for being cranky, but this issue really irks me. I'm very passionate about animal activism, and while I don't hate on people who do eat meat, I can't deny how much it bothers me. But I'm not asking anyone on here to change their diets; I'm just asking that you reconsider the terms. Why define yourself as something if that's not who you are? Point taken. Apparently I had been given incorrect 'label definitions' . No one at Spark saw fit to set me straight. I will remove myself from this group. How smooth must be the language of the whites, when they can make right look like wrong, and wrong like right. - Black Hawk Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted August 16, 2008 Report Share Posted August 16, 2008 Don't go getting all dramatic! My message wasn't meant to alienate anyone. That's why I said that I understand this is not an exclusive group. Hellooo. We all need to lighten up a bit! I'm talking about being vegetarian versus eating poultry and fish. It's that simple. No one has to leave the group if they're still a meat-eater. Keep reading and learn about vegetarianism! We should all welcome any kind of interest we get. Pleeeeease don't leave! , " drpatsant " <drpatsant wrote: > > > > Point taken. Apparently I had been given incorrect 'label definitions' . > > No one at Spark saw fit to set me straight. I will remove myself from this group. > > I am so very saddened to see this happen - vegetarians, vegans, non-vegetarians and those in transition are all welcome here. > > Best love, Pat (Co-owner, Vegetarian Spice) > > > --- On Fri, 8/15/08, Lady Jexie <jexiebee wrote: > Lady Jexie <jexiebee > Re: Re: Vegetarian or Vegequarian? > > Friday, August 15, 2008, 8:00 PM > > > > > Sorry for being cranky, but this issue really irks me. I'm very > > passionate about animal activism, and while I don't hate on people who > > do eat meat, I can't deny how much it bothers me. But I'm not asking > > anyone on here to change their diets; I'm just asking that you > > reconsider the terms. Why define yourself as something if that's not > > who you are? > > > > Point taken. Apparently I had been given incorrect 'label definitions' . > > No one at Spark saw fit to set me straight. I will remove myself from this group. > > > > How smooth must be the language of the whites, when they can make right look like wrong, and wrong like right. > > - Black Hawk > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted August 16, 2008 Report Share Posted August 16, 2008 Exactly...everyone needs to lighten up a bit. Jan Click on the " Fund Food for Animals " button at The Animal Rescue Site and give food to an animal living in a shelter or sanctuary -- at no cost to you. http://www.theanimalrescuesite.com/tpc/ERA_091907_ARS erinc_dale <erin.c.dale Saturday, August 16, 2008 3:08:41 PM Re: Vegetarian or Vegequarian? Don't go getting all dramatic! My message wasn't meant to alienate anyone. That's why I said that I understand this is not an exclusive group. Hellooo. We all need to lighten up a bit! I'm talking about being vegetarian versus eating poultry and fish. It's that simple. No one has to leave the group if they're still a meat-eater. Keep reading and learn about vegetarianism! We should all welcome any kind of interest we get. Pleeeeease don't leave! , " drpatsant@. .. " <drpatsant@. ..> wrote: > > > > Point taken. Apparently I had been given incorrect 'label definitions' . > > No one at Spark saw fit to set me straight. I will remove myself from this group. > > I am so very saddened to see this happen - vegetarians, vegans, non-vegetarians and those in transition are all welcome here. > > Best love, Pat (Co-owner, Vegetarian Spice) > > > --- On Fri, 8/15/08, Lady Jexie <jexiebee@.. .> wrote: > Lady Jexie <jexiebee@.. .> > Re: Re: Vegetarian or Vegequarian? > > Friday, August 15, 2008, 8:00 PM > > > > > Sorry for being cranky, but this issue really irks me. I'm very > > passionate about animal activism, and while I don't hate on people who > > do eat meat, I can't deny how much it bothers me. But I'm not asking > > anyone on here to change their diets; I'm just asking that you > > reconsider the terms. Why define yourself as something if that's not > > who you are? > > > > Point taken. Apparently I had been given incorrect 'label definitions' . > > No one at Spark saw fit to set me straight. I will remove myself from this group. > > > > How smooth must be the language of the whites, when they can make right look like wrong, and wrong like right. > > - Black Hawk > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted August 16, 2008 Report Share Posted August 16, 2008 Maybe I should leave also. I am just a vegetarian wanna be. All vegetarians are born vegetarians, right? Betty --- On Sat, 8/16/08, drpatsant <drpatsant wrote: drpatsant <drpatsant Re: Re: Vegetarian or Vegequarian? Saturday, August 16, 2008, 7:10 AM > Point taken. Apparently I had been given incorrect 'label definitions' .. No one at Spark saw fit to set me straight. I will remove myself from this group. I am so very saddened to see this happen - vegetarians, vegans, non-vegetarians and those in transition are all welcome here. Best love, Pat (Co-owner, Vegetarian Spice) --- On Fri, 8/15/08, Lady Jexie <jexiebee wrote: Lady Jexie <jexiebee Re: Re: Vegetarian or Vegequarian? Friday, August 15, 2008, 8:00 PM Sorry for being cranky, but this issue really irks me. I'm very passionate about animal activism, and while I don't hate on people who do eat meat, I can't deny how much it bothers me. But I'm not asking anyone on here to change their diets; I'm just asking that you reconsider the terms. Why define yourself as something if that's not who you are? Point taken. Apparently I had been given incorrect 'label definitions' .. No one at Spark saw fit to set me straight. I will remove myself from this group. How smooth must be the language of the whites, when they can make right look like wrong, and wrong like right. - Black Hawk Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted August 17, 2008 Report Share Posted August 17, 2008 That's not the point of this discussion. I was not talking about people transitioning to the vegetarian diet. If you're on your way there, that's great. I'm just saying, don't call yourself something you're not. It's frustrating enough for vegetarians to have to deal with misunderstandings from a non-sympathetic meat-eating culture, and people who further confuse the definitions are just making it worse. Your sarcasm on this issue is childish. I'm sure other people on this forum, vegetarian or otherwise, do not appreciate it. , Betty <bicannon wrote: > > Maybe I should leave also. I am just a vegetarian wanna be. All vegetarians are born vegetarians, right? > > Betty > > --- On Sat, 8/16/08, drpatsant <drpatsant wrote: > > drpatsant <drpatsant > Re: Re: Vegetarian or Vegequarian? > > Saturday, August 16, 2008, 7:10 AM > > > > Point taken. Apparently I had been given incorrect 'label definitions' > . > > No one at Spark saw fit to set me straight. I will remove myself from this > group. > > I am so very saddened to see this happen - vegetarians, vegans, non-vegetarians > and those in transition are all welcome here. > > Best love, Pat (Co-owner, Vegetarian Spice) > > > --- On Fri, 8/15/08, Lady Jexie <jexiebee wrote: > Lady Jexie <jexiebee > Re: Re: Vegetarian or Vegequarian? > > Friday, August 15, 2008, 8:00 PM > > > > > Sorry for being cranky, but this issue really irks me. I'm > very > > passionate about animal activism, and while I don't hate on people who > > do eat meat, I can't deny how much it bothers me. But I'm not asking > > anyone on here to change their diets; I'm just asking that you > > reconsider the terms. Why define yourself as something if that's not > > who you are? > > > > Point taken. Apparently I had been given incorrect 'label definitions' > . > > No one at Spark saw fit to set me straight. I will remove myself from this > group. > > > > How smooth must be the language of the whites, when they can make right look > like wrong, and wrong like right. > > - Black Hawk > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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