Guest guest Posted August 15, 2008 Report Share Posted August 15, 2008 Forgive this extended OT post on a subject that has cropped up - those who are uninterested in the topic of vegetarian and vegan companion animals can simply delete, okay? To follow up on what has been posted: FWIW, dogs are omnivores (not really carnivores) and can easily lead a very healthy life on a vegetarian or even vegan diet. My vet, who is not vegetarian himself, agrees wholeheartedly. There are several vegetarian and vegan dog foods on the market. Check, if you're vegan, that they have Vit D2 not Vit D3, of course. Again, fwiw the longest-lived dog, according to The Guinness Book of World Records, was a border collie ) in Somerset who was last recorded in 2005 at 27 years of age. See here: http://www.blythe-systems.com/pipermail/nytr/Week-of-Mon-20050117/012086.html That collie ate a good homemade diet which included rice, lentils and organic vegetables. My little hound goes mad for lentils, so I can imagine, although she actually is fed a carefully balanced commercial dog food most of the time. Cats are carnivores BUT it is not so much the me*t they require but what is IN it: give them the correct amino acids and a VERY carefully balanced diet (best to inquire of a very good animal nutiritionist for this - vegan ones are available) and they live to a healthy and ripe old age. (My own cat, sadly, has some serious allergies which require *sigh* a diet which is not vegetarian. I don't begrudge him this any more than I would a child or spouse who required a special diet, btw. I simply mention it in passing.) There is sometimes a problem with male cats eating a veg diet, but that's another thing. Cats, sadly, are trickier in those two ways, but strict vegetarians and vegans should be able to find a good diet through the internet. I will leave it to those with experience to advise the appropriate sites, but you might want to google for vegecat The food, I am told, plus the supplement which you can add to a homemade veggie diet, is excellent. If anyone would like me to put them in touch with a good vegan dog nutrition group, I would be happy to do so if you write me privately at drpatsant I am a member myself. And oh yes, before anyone has an ethical crisis over this: I too agree that it would be doubtful practice indeed to inflict one's own eating practices on another just for the sake of it. As it happens, dogs are delightfully adaptable and, if they're healthy and happy with one's ethical choice, then there's no harm done and even, as my vet suggests, one might be doing one's canine companion a favour by keeping her or him away from the dreadful contents of so many meat-based dog foods. (I'll spare you the horrors of THAT description, eh?) Love to you all and to your companion animals - regardless of how you feed them - Pat --- On Thu, 8/14/08, Parag B. Shah <paragbshah wrote: Parag B. Shah <paragbshah Re: two questions Thursday, August 14, 2008, 10:31 AM I've been wondering what the health ramifications are on animals if they are raised vegetarian. I have been wanting a dog, but have not found any " vegetarian dog food. " We don't have eggs in the house, so I don't see meat dog food being acceptable. Any thoughts, opinions, articles, studies that people can pass on to me? I know of dogs in households in India that raise their dogs to be veg, but I don't know what to do here. -parag The two rules for success are: 1. Never tell them everything you know On Thu, Aug 14, 2008 at 07:31, Lady Jexie <jexiebee > wrote: > I'm afraid I don't have answers for you. I'm a semi-vegetarian who eats > fish, dairy, meat maybe six times a year. I have never tried to influence > how anyone else eats. However, I will give my opinion on inhumane treatment > of animals and animal testing. > > she also has over 40 cats (she rescues, traps, saves, neuters and vets them > all) > > I am so grateful there are people who have that calling. I don't quite > understand her philosophy though. Unless she is a vegetarian for health > reasons. > > My three canine little people with fur get a lamb and rice formula mainly > because two have a health problem that was solved by this particular brand > and formula. > > Sorry I couldn't be more help. > > They that can give up essential liberty to obtain a little temporary safety > deserve neither liberty nor safety. > > - Benjamin Franklin > > --- On Thu, 8/14/08, Kate Groff <katework1 (AT) gmail (DOT) com<katework1%40gmail. com>> > wrote: > Kate Groff <katework1 (AT) gmail (DOT) com <katework1%40gmail. com>> > two questions > <% 40. com> > Thursday, August 14, 2008, 7:10 AM > > morning > > i have two questions. one may not be appropriate for this list; in > > which case, my apologies. > > first, my neighbor is a vegetarian zealot. " people who eat meat are > > just stupid. " i, too live the lifestyle, but accept that others, for > > whatever their reasons, may not choose the path. anyway, she also has > > over 40 cats (she rescues, traps, saves, neuters and vets them all) > > who are fed a variety of the finest canned cat food (my four have > > considered moving on several occasions), roasts, chickens (they roast > > turkeys for the brood on thanksgiving and christmas). i guess i'm > > trying to understand the justification and thought, since the thread > > has recently been relatives and friends foisting meat foods and the > > responses, someone may have had to address choices for pets lately > > and what those choices are/were. Maybe it's me, but no one really > > questions me any more so i don't have to have an answer at the ready. > > Now the other question. My neighbor (same one) recently attended an > > event where a delicious tofu salad was served. she didn't get the > > recipe, but brought me home a doggie/human bag. it was ala tuna salad > > with green/red peppers, celery and cilantro. that was all i could > > discern before i ate it all. checked through the files and googled > > some, but does this recipe sound at all familiar to anyone? any > > suggestions? > > thanks. > > kate > > > > > > > > > > > > Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted August 16, 2008 Report Share Posted August 16, 2008 One thing I've found that I really like about this group are the differences I find in all of us.....a wonderful source of learning. I'm not referring to this post, but I even enjoy very much the posts which contain an opinion or thought I dont agree with because it makes me think, and I thank everyone here for that. Jan Click on the " Fund Food for Animals " button at The Animal Rescue Site and give food to an animal living in a shelter or sanctuary -- at no cost to you. http://www.theanimalrescuesite.com/tpc/ERA_091907_ARS " drpatsant " <drpatsant Friday, August 15, 2008 4:53:07 PM OT: Veggie Dogs and Cats / was two questions Forgive this extended OT post on a subject that has cropped up - those who are uninterested in the topic of vegetarian and vegan companion animals can simply delete, okay? To follow up on what has been posted: FWIW, dogs are omnivores (not really carnivores) and can easily lead a very healthy life on a vegetarian or even vegan diet. My vet, who is not vegetarian himself, agrees wholeheartedly. There are several vegetarian and vegan dog foods on the market. Check, if you're vegan, that they have Vit D2 not Vit D3, of course. Again, fwiw the longest-lived dog, according to The Guinness Book of World Records, was a border collie ) in Somerset who was last recorded in 2005 at 27 years of age. See here: http://www.blythe- systems.com/ pipermail/ nytr/Week- of-Mon-20050117/ 012086.html That collie ate a good homemade diet which included rice, lentils and organic vegetables. My little hound goes mad for lentils, so I can imagine, although she actually is fed a carefully balanced commercial dog food most of the time. Cats are carnivores BUT it is not so much the me*t they require but what is IN it: give them the correct amino acids and a VERY carefully balanced diet (best to inquire of a very good animal nutiritionist for this - vegan ones are available) and they live to a healthy and ripe old age. (My own cat, sadly, has some serious allergies which require *sigh* a diet which is not vegetarian. I don't begrudge him this any more than I would a child or spouse who required a special diet, btw. I simply mention it in passing.) There is sometimes a problem with male cats eating a veg diet, but that's another thing. Cats, sadly, are trickier in those two ways, but strict vegetarians and vegans should be able to find a good diet through the internet. I will leave it to those with experience to advise the appropriate sites, but you might want to google for vegecat The food, I am told, plus the supplement which you can add to a homemade veggie diet, is excellent. If anyone would like me to put them in touch with a good vegan dog nutrition group, I would be happy to do so if you write me privately at drpatsant (AT) (DOT) com I am a member myself. And oh yes, before anyone has an ethical crisis over this: I too agree that it would be doubtful practice indeed to inflict one's own eating practices on another just for the sake of it. As it happens, dogs are delightfully adaptable and, if they're healthy and happy with one's ethical choice, then there's no harm done and even, as my vet suggests, one might be doing one's canine companion a favour by keeping her or him away from the dreadful contents of so many meat-based dog foods. (I'll spare you the horrors of THAT description, eh?) Love to you all and to your companion animals - regardless of how you feed them - Pat --- On Thu, 8/14/08, Parag B. Shah <paragbshah (AT) gmail (DOT) com> wrote: Parag B. Shah <paragbshah (AT) gmail (DOT) com> Re: two questions Thursday, August 14, 2008, 10:31 AM I've been wondering what the health ramifications are on animals if they are raised vegetarian. I have been wanting a dog, but have not found any " vegetarian dog food. " We don't have eggs in the house, so I don't see meat dog food being acceptable. Any thoughts, opinions, articles, studies that people can pass on to me? I know of dogs in households in India that raise their dogs to be veg, but I don't know what to do here. -parag The two rules for success are: 1. Never tell them everything you know On Thu, Aug 14, 2008 at 07:31, Lady Jexie <jexiebee > wrote: > I'm afraid I don't have answers for you. I'm a semi-vegetarian who eats > fish, dairy, meat maybe six times a year. I have never tried to influence > how anyone else eats. However, I will give my opinion on inhumane treatment > of animals and animal testing. > > she also has over 40 cats (she rescues, traps, saves, neuters and vets them > all) > > I am so grateful there are people who have that calling. I don't quite > understand her philosophy though. Unless she is a vegetarian for health > reasons. > > My three canine little people with fur get a lamb and rice formula mainly > because two have a health problem that was solved by this particular brand > and formula. > > Sorry I couldn't be more help. > > They that can give up essential liberty to obtain a little temporary safety > deserve neither liberty nor safety. > > - Benjamin Franklin > > --- On Thu, 8/14/08, Kate Groff <katework1 (AT) gmail (DOT) com<katework1% 40gmail. com>> > wrote: > Kate Groff <katework1 (AT) gmail (DOT) com <katework1%40gmail. com>> > two questions > <% 40. com> > Thursday, August 14, 2008, 7:10 AM > > morning > > i have two questions. one may not be appropriate for this list; in > > which case, my apologies. > > first, my neighbor is a vegetarian zealot. " people who eat meat are > > just stupid. " i, too live the lifestyle, but accept that others, for > > whatever their reasons, may not choose the path. anyway, she also has > > over 40 cats (she rescues, traps, saves, neuters and vets them all) > > who are fed a variety of the finest canned cat food (my four have > > considered moving on several occasions), roasts, chickens (they roast > > turkeys for the brood on thanksgiving and christmas). i guess i'm > > trying to understand the justification and thought, since the thread > > has recently been relatives and friends foisting meat foods and the > > responses, someone may have had to address choices for pets lately > > and what those choices are/were. Maybe it's me, but no one really > > questions me any more so i don't have to have an answer at the ready. > > Now the other question. My neighbor (same one) recently attended an > > event where a delicious tofu salad was served. she didn't get the > > recipe, but brought me home a doggie/human bag. it was ala tuna salad > > with green/red peppers, celery and cilantro. that was all i could > > discern before i ate it all. checked through the files and googled > > some, but does this recipe sound at all familiar to anyone? any > > suggestions? > > thanks. > > kate > > > > > > > > > > > > Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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