Guest guest Posted March 31, 2003 Report Share Posted March 31, 2003 Hi Adrien, I play guitar (self taught so I'm technically challenged but still play a decent tune) and use to play cornet. I can lay down a couple of rookie drum beats. I'm the bestest darned air-guitarest in da world, dang it. Cheers, Shawn ----Original Message Follows---- " Adrien " <adriens_mandolin Vegetarians Mon, 31 Mar 2003 19:41:03 -0000 that play musical instruments???any of you want to say hi??? _______________ Tired of spam? Get advanced junk mail protection with MSN 8. http://join.msn.com/?page=features/junkmail Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted November 20, 2006 Report Share Posted November 20, 2006 LOLOLOL That's awesome!!!!! Kadee <abbey_road3012 wrote: Thought this was kind of funny. http://pw2.netcom.com/~axleplus/stuff/veggie/bodyodor.html Kadee Sedtal Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted August 16, 2008 Report Share Posted August 16, 2008 I sympathize with the problem of non-vegetarians calling themselves vegetarians (often because they believe that's what they are), because it confuses the general populace Restaurant menus and newspaper articles easily show what ignorance there is on the subject. This makes it harder for vegetarians to be understood. One of the uses of this group, it would seem, would be to help those interested in vegetarianism to find their way to a meat-free and perhaps ultimately to a plant-based diet And of course we would like to encourage, rather than discourage, those members who are now or think they may soon be in transition! A thought: People are interested in vegetarianism for many reasons, some overlapping. Sometimes it is because of the animals, sometimes the planet, sometimes world hunger, sometimes religious or cultural taboos, sometimes health, sometimes individual taste, sometimes a weight-loss strategy, sometimes personal philosophy. All are valid. Let's agree here that Vegetarian means no animal flesh, including all creatures of the land, water or air, nor products from those creatures such as stock, gelatin, etc., and that vegetarians may or may not choose to eat eggs and/or dairy. (Vegans would omit any products from living animals such as eggs and dairy and Lifestyle Vegans usually extend that to products they wear and use in their day-to-day living as far as is practical and possible.) Okay? Love and hugs, Pat Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted August 16, 2008 Report Share Posted August 16, 2008 I thought this group was for people in many different phases and positions. What should one person care what someone else refers to theirself as? Is it any of our concern? I don't expect anyone to think the sameway I do, and I sure hope they don't expect me to think the same as them. Jan Click on the " Fund Food for Animals " button at The Animal Rescue Site and give food to an animal living in a shelter or sanctuary -- at no cost to you. http://www.theanimalrescuesite.com/tpc/ERA_091907_ARS " drpatsant " <drpatsant Saturday, August 16, 2008 1:02:43 PM Vegetarians I sympathize with the problem of non-vegetarians calling themselves vegetarians (often because they believe that's what they are), because it confuses the general populace Restaurant menus and newspaper articles easily show what ignorance there is on the subject. This makes it harder for vegetarians to be understood. One of the uses of this group, it would seem, would be to help those interested in vegetarianism to find their way to a meat-free and perhaps ultimately to a plant-based diet And of course we would like to encourage, rather than discourage, those members who are now or think they may soon be in transition! A thought: People are interested in vegetarianism for many reasons, some overlapping. Sometimes it is because of the animals, sometimes the planet, sometimes world hunger, sometimes religious or cultural taboos, sometimes health, sometimes individual taste, sometimes a weight-loss strategy, sometimes personal philosophy. All are valid. Let's agree here that Vegetarian means no animal flesh, including all creatures of the land, water or air, nor products from those creatures such as stock, gelatin, etc., and that vegetarians may or may not choose to eat eggs and/or dairy. (Vegans would omit any products from living animals such as eggs and dairy and Lifestyle Vegans usually extend that to products they wear and use in their day-to-day living as far as is practical and possible.) Okay? Love and hugs, Pat Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted August 16, 2008 Report Share Posted August 16, 2008 Yes you are correct --- On Sat, 8/16/08, drpatsant <drpatsant wrote: drpatsant <drpatsant Vegetarians Saturday, August 16, 2008, 1:02 PM I sympathize with the problem of non-vegetarians calling themselves vegetarians (often because they believe that's what they are), because it confuses the general populace Restaurant menus and newspaper articles easily show what ignorance there is on the subject. This makes it harder for vegetarians to be understood. One of the uses of this group, it would seem, would be to help those interested in vegetarianism to find their way to a meat-free and perhaps ultimately to a plant-based diet And of course we would like to encourage, rather than discourage, those members who are now or think they may soon be in transition! A thought: People are interested in vegetarianism for many reasons, some overlapping. Sometimes it is because of the animals, sometimes the planet, sometimes world hunger, sometimes religious or cultural taboos, sometimes health, sometimes individual taste, sometimes a weight-loss strategy, sometimes personal philosophy. All are valid. Let's agree here that Vegetarian means no animal flesh, including all creatures of the land, water or air, nor products from those creatures such as stock, gelatin, etc., and that vegetarians may or may not choose to eat eggs and/or dairy. (Vegans would omit any products from living animals such as eggs and dairy and Lifestyle Vegans usually extend that to products they wear and use in their day-to-day living as far as is practical and possible.) Okay? Love and hugs, Pat Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted August 16, 2008 Report Share Posted August 16, 2008 I honestly think you are right as well, the problem is the labels. If we label are self vegan, pecsotarians,vegetarians, or anything we must follow what the " term " means, or do not claim it. --- On Sat, 8/16/08, Jan <starfishgirl529 wrote: Jan <starfishgirl529 Re: Vegetarians Saturday, August 16, 2008, 1:33 PM I thought this group was for people in many different phases and positions. What should one person care what someone else refers to theirself as? Is it any of our concern? I don't expect anyone to think the sameway I do, and I sure hope they don't expect me to think the same as them. Jan Click on the " Fund Food for Animals " button at The Animal Rescue Site and give food to an animal living in a shelter or sanctuary -- at no cost to you. http://www.theanima lrescuesite. com/tpc/ERA_ 091907_ARS " drpatsant " <drpatsant > Saturday, August 16, 2008 1:02:43 PM Vegetarians I sympathize with the problem of non-vegetarians calling themselves vegetarians (often because they believe that's what they are), because it confuses the general populace Restaurant menus and newspaper articles easily show what ignorance there is on the subject. This makes it harder for vegetarians to be understood. One of the uses of this group, it would seem, would be to help those interested in vegetarianism to find their way to a meat-free and perhaps ultimately to a plant-based diet And of course we would like to encourage, rather than discourage, those members who are now or think they may soon be in transition! A thought: People are interested in vegetarianism for many reasons, some overlapping. Sometimes it is because of the animals, sometimes the planet, sometimes world hunger, sometimes religious or cultural taboos, sometimes health, sometimes individual taste, sometimes a weight-loss strategy, sometimes personal philosophy. All are valid. Let's agree here that Vegetarian means no animal flesh, including all creatures of the land, water or air, nor products from those creatures such as stock, gelatin, etc., and that vegetarians may or may not choose to eat eggs and/or dairy. (Vegans would omit any products from living animals such as eggs and dairy and Lifestyle Vegans usually extend that to products they wear and use in their day-to-day living as far as is practical and possible.) Okay? Love and hugs, Pat Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted August 16, 2008 Report Share Posted August 16, 2008 Thank you for your very kind reply, but respectfully, why should we care what someone else calls theirself? Jan Click on the " Fund Food for Animals " button at The Animal Rescue Site and give food to an animal living in a shelter or sanctuary -- at no cost to you. http://www.theanimalrescuesite.com/tpc/ERA_091907_ARS Robin Chaloune <rchaloune Saturday, August 16, 2008 1:54:07 PM Re: Vegetarians I honestly think you are right as well, the problem is the labels. If we label are self vegan, pecsotarians, vegetarians, or anything we must follow what the " term " means, or do not claim it. --- On Sat, 8/16/08, Jan <starfishgirl529@ > wrote: Jan <starfishgirl529@ > Re: Vegetarians Saturday, August 16, 2008, 1:33 PM I thought this group was for people in many different phases and positions. What should one person care what someone else refers to theirself as? Is it any of our concern? I don't expect anyone to think the sameway I do, and I sure hope they don't expect me to think the same as them. Jan Click on the " Fund Food for Animals " button at The Animal Rescue Site and give food to an animal living in a shelter or sanctuary -- at no cost to you. http://www.theanima lrescuesite. com/tpc/ERA_ 091907_ARS " drpatsant " <drpatsant > Saturday, August 16, 2008 1:02:43 PM Vegetarians I sympathize with the problem of non-vegetarians calling themselves vegetarians (often because they believe that's what they are), because it confuses the general populace Restaurant menus and newspaper articles easily show what ignorance there is on the subject. This makes it harder for vegetarians to be understood. One of the uses of this group, it would seem, would be to help those interested in vegetarianism to find their way to a meat-free and perhaps ultimately to a plant-based diet And of course we would like to encourage, rather than discourage, those members who are now or think they may soon be in transition! A thought: People are interested in vegetarianism for many reasons, some overlapping. Sometimes it is because of the animals, sometimes the planet, sometimes world hunger, sometimes religious or cultural taboos, sometimes health, sometimes individual taste, sometimes a weight-loss strategy, sometimes personal philosophy. All are valid. Let's agree here that Vegetarian means no animal flesh, including all creatures of the land, water or air, nor products from those creatures such as stock, gelatin, etc., and that vegetarians may or may not choose to eat eggs and/or dairy. (Vegans would omit any products from living animals such as eggs and dairy and Lifestyle Vegans usually extend that to products they wear and use in their day-to-day living as far as is practical and possible.) Okay? Love and hugs, Pat Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted August 16, 2008 Report Share Posted August 16, 2008 I really don't. What others do to there bodies is there business. I do have problem with people hurting others.... like animals, but again it is there personal choice, and I can't change how people choose to eat. --- On Sat, 8/16/08, Jan <starfishgirl529 wrote: Jan <starfishgirl529 Re: Vegetarians Saturday, August 16, 2008, 2:09 PM Thank you for your very kind reply, but respectfully, why should we care what someone else calls theirself? Jan Click on the " Fund Food for Animals " button at The Animal Rescue Site and give food to an animal living in a shelter or sanctuary -- at no cost to you. http://www.theanima lrescuesite. com/tpc/ERA_ 091907_ARS Robin Chaloune <rchaloune > Saturday, August 16, 2008 1:54:07 PM Re: Vegetarians I honestly think you are right as well, the problem is the labels. If we label are self vegan, pecsotarians, vegetarians, or anything we must follow what the " term " means, or do not claim it. --- On Sat, 8/16/08, Jan <starfishgirl529@ > wrote: Jan <starfishgirl529@ > Re: Vegetarians Saturday, August 16, 2008, 1:33 PM I thought this group was for people in many different phases and positions. What should one person care what someone else refers to theirself as? Is it any of our concern? I don't expect anyone to think the sameway I do, and I sure hope they don't expect me to think the same as them. Jan Click on the " Fund Food for Animals " button at The Animal Rescue Site and give food to an animal living in a shelter or sanctuary -- at no cost to you. http://www.theanima lrescuesite. com/tpc/ERA_ 091907_ARS " drpatsant " <drpatsant > Saturday, August 16, 2008 1:02:43 PM Vegetarians I sympathize with the problem of non-vegetarians calling themselves vegetarians (often because they believe that's what they are), because it confuses the general populace Restaurant menus and newspaper articles easily show what ignorance there is on the subject. This makes it harder for vegetarians to be understood. One of the uses of this group, it would seem, would be to help those interested in vegetarianism to find their way to a meat-free and perhaps ultimately to a plant-based diet And of course we would like to encourage, rather than discourage, those members who are now or think they may soon be in transition! A thought: People are interested in vegetarianism for many reasons, some overlapping. Sometimes it is because of the animals, sometimes the planet, sometimes world hunger, sometimes religious or cultural taboos, sometimes health, sometimes individual taste, sometimes a weight-loss strategy, sometimes personal philosophy. All are valid. Let's agree here that Vegetarian means no animal flesh, including all creatures of the land, water or air, nor products from those creatures such as stock, gelatin, etc., and that vegetarians may or may not choose to eat eggs and/or dairy. (Vegans would omit any products from living animals such as eggs and dairy and Lifestyle Vegans usually extend that to products they wear and use in their day-to-day living as far as is practical and possible.) Okay? Love and hugs, Pat Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted August 16, 2008 Report Share Posted August 16, 2008 I understand that this a group for people who are not only vegans or vegetarians, but are interested in vegetarianism, in general. I pointed that out in my post. But why should one person care what someone else refers to him or herself as? Because maybe if everyone could agree on the same terms, and agreed to uphold the right definitions, then the general populace wouldn't be confused as to what " vegetarian " truly means. I'm with Pat on this one. Let's help eliminate confusion! If you want to go on eating poultry and fish, okay, but there's another term you could use. Before I really went vegetarian, I jokingly referred to myself as a " vegechicketarian. " , Jan <starfishgirl529 wrote: > > I thought this group was for people in many different phases and positions. What should one person care what someone else refers to theirself as? Is it any of our concern? I don't expect anyone to think the sameway I do, and I sure hope they don't expect me to think the same as them. > > Jan > > Click on the " Fund Food for Animals " button at The Animal > Rescue Site and give food to an animal living in a shelter > or sanctuary -- at no cost to you. > http://www.theanimalrescuesite.com/tpc/ERA_091907_ARS > > > > > > " drpatsant " <drpatsant > > Saturday, August 16, 2008 1:02:43 PM > Vegetarians > > > I sympathize with the problem of non-vegetarians calling themselves vegetarians (often because they believe that's what they are), because it confuses the general populace Restaurant menus and newspaper articles easily show what ignorance there is on the subject. This makes it harder for vegetarians to be understood. One of the uses of this group, it would seem, would be to help those interested in vegetarianism to find their way to a meat-free and perhaps ultimately to a plant-based diet And of course we would like to encourage, rather than discourage, those members who are now or think they may soon be in transition! > > A thought: People are interested in vegetarianism for many reasons, some overlapping. Sometimes it is because of the animals, sometimes the planet, sometimes world hunger, sometimes religious or cultural taboos, sometimes health, sometimes individual taste, sometimes a weight-loss strategy, sometimes personal philosophy. All are valid. > > Let's agree here that Vegetarian means no animal flesh, including all creatures of the land, water or air, nor products from those creatures such as stock, gelatin, etc., and that vegetarians may or may not choose to eat eggs and/or dairy. (Vegans would omit any products from living animals such as eggs and dairy and Lifestyle Vegans usually extend that to products they wear and use in their day-to-day living as far as is practical and possible.) > > Okay? > > Love and hugs, Pat > > > > Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted August 16, 2008 Report Share Posted August 16, 2008 See, I do care about what other people choose to put in their bodies, because I care about animal welfare and the planet. But it's not my job to tell others what to do; just to lead as an example and offer insight where I may. As I said before, there is a problem if people label themselves as something but don't follow through. It causes problems for the rest of us; it leads to more and more confusion. The meat-eating culture already has a hard time understanding and accepting vegetarianism, let alone veganism. So why make it any more difficult? So let's unite on this; let's be consistent. Stick to your guns, people. I'm reminded of a yoga instructor I know: She says she's a vegetarian, and she is. She's practically a vegan, but since she isn't, she doesn't mislead people; instead, she'll say, " I would be a vegan, but I cheat. I like cheese! " See? At least she's honest. What's so wrong with asking people to be honest? Is it so wrong to care about what other human beings are eating? Is it wrong to care about the impact it has on the rest of the planet? Do we need to get into the horrors of factory farming? No? I didn't think so. You can all research that stuff for yourselves. But please, don't just sweep this issue under the rug. That's wrong. I hate to be a buzzkill, and I didn't want this to be such a big deal, but when people question why compassionate vegetarians should care... my reaction is, how can we not?!? , Robin Chaloune <rchaloune wrote: > > I really don't. What others do to there bodies is there business. I do have problem with people hurting others.... like animals, but again it is there personal choice, and I can't change how people choose to eat. > > --- On Sat, 8/16/08, Jan <starfishgirl529 wrote: > > Jan <starfishgirl529 > Re: Vegetarians > > Saturday, August 16, 2008, 2:09 PM Thank you for your very kind reply, but respectfully, why should we care what someone else calls theirself? > > Jan > > Click on the " Fund Food for Animals " button at The Animal > Rescue Site and give food to an animal living in a shelter > or sanctuary -- at no cost to you. > http://www.theanima lrescuesite. com/tpc/ERA_ 091907_ARS > > > Robin Chaloune <rchaloune > > > Saturday, August 16, 2008 1:54:07 PM > Re: Vegetarians > > I honestly think you are right as well, the problem is the labels. If we label are self vegan, pecsotarians, vegetarians, or anything we must follow what the " term " means, or do not claim it. > --- On Sat, 8/16/08, Jan <starfishgirl529@ > wrote: > > Jan <starfishgirl529@ > > Re: Vegetarians > > Saturday, August 16, 2008, 1:33 PM > > I thought this group was for people in many different phases and positions. What should one person care what someone else refers to theirself as? Is it any of our concern? I don't expect anyone to think the sameway I do, and I sure hope they don't expect me to think the same as them. > > Jan > > Click on the " Fund Food for Animals " button at The Animal > Rescue Site and give food to an animal living in a shelter > or sanctuary -- at no cost to you. > http://www.theanima lrescuesite. com/tpc/ERA_ 091907_ARS > > > " drpatsant " <drpatsant > > > Saturday, August 16, 2008 1:02:43 PM > Vegetarians > > I sympathize with the problem of non-vegetarians calling themselves vegetarians (often because they believe that's what they are), because it confuses the general populace Restaurant menus and newspaper articles easily show what ignorance there is on the subject. This makes it harder for vegetarians to be understood. One of the uses of this group, it would seem, would be to help those interested in vegetarianism to find their way to a meat-free and perhaps ultimately to a plant-based diet And of course we would like to encourage, rather than discourage, those members who are now or think they may soon be in transition! > > A thought: People are interested in vegetarianism for many reasons, some overlapping. Sometimes it is because of the animals, sometimes the planet, sometimes world hunger, sometimes religious or cultural taboos, sometimes health, sometimes individual taste, sometimes a weight-loss strategy, sometimes personal philosophy. All are valid. > > Let's agree here that Vegetarian means no animal flesh, including all creatures of the land, water or air, nor products from those creatures such as stock, gelatin, etc., and that vegetarians may or may not choose to eat eggs and/or dairy. (Vegans would omit any products from living animals such as eggs and dairy and Lifestyle Vegans usually extend that to products they wear and use in their day-to-day living as far as is practical and possible.) > > Okay? > > Love and hugs, Pat > > > > Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted August 16, 2008 Report Share Posted August 16, 2008 caring is one thing, but my point is you can't change people. I do not eat meat, because I do not want to aide in the distruction of animals and our planet either, but I do not judge either, it is not my place. People sure try to change others and never learn it is impossible. One must make thta choice regardless what is it. Education is the key to EVERYTHING. So educating people in a constructive way is the best way to help. To answer the other question ...I must look within myself and ask why I am labling myself. It seems lables no matter what they are for is how people somwhat define themself. One could say this is true for color, sexual perference etc... You do not hear meat eaters say, I am a meateater. --- On Sat, 8/16/08, erinc_dale <erin.c.dale wrote: erinc_dale <erin.c.dale Re: Vegetarians Saturday, August 16, 2008, 3:17 PM See, I do care about what other people choose to put in their bodies, because I care about animal welfare and the planet. But it's not my job to tell others what to do; just to lead as an example and offer insight where I may. As I said before, there is a problem if people label themselves as something but don't follow through. It causes problems for the rest of us; it leads to more and more confusion. The meat-eating culture already has a hard time understanding and accepting vegetarianism, let alone veganism. So why make it any more difficult? So let's unite on this; let's be consistent. Stick to your guns, people. I'm reminded of a yoga instructor I know: She says she's a vegetarian, and she is. She's practically a vegan, but since she isn't, she doesn't mislead people; instead, she'll say, " I would be a vegan, but I cheat. I like cheese! " See? At least she's honest. What's so wrong with asking people to be honest? Is it so wrong to care about what other human beings are eating? Is it wrong to care about the impact it has on the rest of the planet? Do we need to get into the horrors of factory farming? No? I didn't think so. You can all research that stuff for yourselves. But please, don't just sweep this issue under the rug. That's wrong. I hate to be a buzzkill, and I didn't want this to be such a big deal, but when people question why compassionate vegetarians should care... my reaction is, how can we not?!? , Robin Chaloune <rchaloune@. ..> wrote: > > I really don't. What others do to there bodies is there business. I do have problem with people hurting others.... like animals, but again it is there personal choice, and I can't change how people choose to eat. > > --- On Sat, 8/16/08, Jan <starfishgirl529@ ...> wrote: > > Jan <starfishgirl529@ ...> > Re: Vegetarians > > Saturday, August 16, 2008, 2:09 PM Thank you for your very kind reply, but respectfully, why should we care what someone else calls theirself? > > Jan > > Click on the " Fund Food for Animals " button at The Animal > Rescue Site and give food to an animal living in a shelter > or sanctuary -- at no cost to you. > http://www.theanima lrescuesite. com/tpc/ERA_ 091907_ARS > > > Robin Chaloune <rchaloune > > > Saturday, August 16, 2008 1:54:07 PM > Re: Vegetarians > > I honestly think you are right as well, the problem is the labels. If we label are self vegan, pecsotarians, vegetarians, or anything we must follow what the " term " means, or do not claim it. > --- On Sat, 8/16/08, Jan <starfishgirl529@ > wrote: > > Jan <starfishgirl529@ > > Re: Vegetarians > > Saturday, August 16, 2008, 1:33 PM > > I thought this group was for people in many different phases and positions. What should one person care what someone else refers to theirself as? Is it any of our concern? I don't expect anyone to think the sameway I do, and I sure hope they don't expect me to think the same as them. > > Jan > > Click on the " Fund Food for Animals " button at The Animal > Rescue Site and give food to an animal living in a shelter > or sanctuary -- at no cost to you. > http://www.theanima lrescuesite. com/tpc/ERA_ 091907_ARS > > > " drpatsant " <drpatsant > > > Saturday, August 16, 2008 1:02:43 PM > Vegetarians > > I sympathize with the problem of non-vegetarians calling themselves vegetarians (often because they believe that's what they are), because it confuses the general populace Restaurant menus and newspaper articles easily show what ignorance there is on the subject. This makes it harder for vegetarians to be understood. One of the uses of this group, it would seem, would be to help those interested in vegetarianism to find their way to a meat-free and perhaps ultimately to a plant-based diet And of course we would like to encourage, rather than discourage, those members who are now or think they may soon be in transition! > > A thought: People are interested in vegetarianism for many reasons, some overlapping. Sometimes it is because of the animals, sometimes the planet, sometimes world hunger, sometimes religious or cultural taboos, sometimes health, sometimes individual taste, sometimes a weight-loss strategy, sometimes personal philosophy. All are valid. > > Let's agree here that Vegetarian means no animal flesh, including all creatures of the land, water or air, nor products from those creatures such as stock, gelatin, etc., and that vegetarians may or may not choose to eat eggs and/or dairy. (Vegans would omit any products from living animals such as eggs and dairy and Lifestyle Vegans usually extend that to products they wear and use in their day-to-day living as far as is practical and possible.) > > Okay? > > Love and hugs, Pat > > > > Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted August 16, 2008 Report Share Posted August 16, 2008 I think a few people here have their priorities mixed up a little bit. Why make such a big thing out of a small isse? Why not focus more on the treatment of animals instead of what label someone else chooses to pu on theirself? And, I don't tell anyone here what they should call theirself. Why should someone be able to tell me? I hope it is understood I'm playing devil's advocate, and not anything more than that. Jan Click on the " Fund Food for Animals " button at The Animal Rescue Site and give food to an animal living in a shelter or sanctuary -- at no cost to you. http://www.theanimalrescuesite.com/tpc/ERA_091907_ARS erinc_dale <erin.c.dale Saturday, August 16, 2008 3:04:49 PM Re: Vegetarians I understand that this a group for people who are not only vegans or vegetarians, but are interested in vegetarianism, in general. I pointed that out in my post. But why should one person care what someone else refers to him or herself as? Because maybe if everyone could agree on the same terms, and agreed to uphold the right definitions, then the general populace wouldn't be confused as to what " vegetarian " truly means. I'm with Pat on this one. Let's help eliminate confusion! If you want to go on eating poultry and fish, okay, but there's another term you could use. Before I really went vegetarian, I jokingly referred to myself as a " vegechicketarian. " , Jan <starfishgirl529@ ...> wrote: > > I thought this group was for people in many different phases and positions. What should one person care what someone else refers to theirself as? Is it any of our concern? I don't expect anyone to think the sameway I do, and I sure hope they don't expect me to think the same as them. > > Jan > > Click on the " Fund Food for Animals " button at The Animal > Rescue Site and give food to an animal living in a shelter > or sanctuary -- at no cost to you. > http://www.theanima lrescuesite. com/tpc/ERA_ 091907_ARS > > > > > > " drpatsant@. .. " <drpatsant@. ..> > > Saturday, August 16, 2008 1:02:43 PM > Vegetarians > > > I sympathize with the problem of non-vegetarians calling themselves vegetarians (often because they believe that's what they are), because it confuses the general populace Restaurant menus and newspaper articles easily show what ignorance there is on the subject. This makes it harder for vegetarians to be understood. One of the uses of this group, it would seem, would be to help those interested in vegetarianism to find their way to a meat-free and perhaps ultimately to a plant-based diet And of course we would like to encourage, rather than discourage, those members who are now or think they may soon be in transition! > > A thought: People are interested in vegetarianism for many reasons, some overlapping. Sometimes it is because of the animals, sometimes the planet, sometimes world hunger, sometimes religious or cultural taboos, sometimes health, sometimes individual taste, sometimes a weight-loss strategy, sometimes personal philosophy. All are valid. > > Let's agree here that Vegetarian means no animal flesh, including all creatures of the land, water or air, nor products from those creatures such as stock, gelatin, etc., and that vegetarians may or may not choose to eat eggs and/or dairy. (Vegans would omit any products from living animals such as eggs and dairy and Lifestyle Vegans usually extend that to products they wear and use in their day-to-day living as far as is practical and possible.) > > Okay? > > Love and hugs, Pat > > > > Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted August 16, 2008 Report Share Posted August 16, 2008 I just dont understand why people pay so much attention to what someone calls theirself. Why not pay attention to their actions, and our own, instead? Jan Click on the " Fund Food for Animals " button at The Animal Rescue Site and give food to an animal living in a shelter or sanctuary -- at no cost to you. http://www.theanimalrescuesite.com/tpc/ERA_091907_ARS erinc_dale <erin.c.dale Saturday, August 16, 2008 3:17:39 PM Re: Vegetarians See, I do care about what other people choose to put in their bodies, because I care about animal welfare and the planet. But it's not my job to tell others what to do; just to lead as an example and offer insight where I may. As I said before, there is a problem if people label themselves as something but don't follow through. It causes problems for the rest of us; it leads to more and more confusion. The meat-eating culture already has a hard time understanding and accepting vegetarianism, let alone veganism. So why make it any more difficult? So let's unite on this; let's be consistent. Stick to your guns, people. I'm reminded of a yoga instructor I know: She says she's a vegetarian, and she is. She's practically a vegan, but since she isn't, she doesn't mislead people; instead, she'll say, " I would be a vegan, but I cheat. I like cheese! " See? At least she's honest. What's so wrong with asking people to be honest? Is it so wrong to care about what other human beings are eating? Is it wrong to care about the impact it has on the rest of the planet? Do we need to get into the horrors of factory farming? No? I didn't think so. You can all research that stuff for yourselves. But please, don't just sweep this issue under the rug. That's wrong. I hate to be a buzzkill, and I didn't want this to be such a big deal, but when people question why compassionate vegetarians should care... my reaction is, how can we not?!? , Robin Chaloune <rchaloune@. ..> wrote: > > I really don't. What others do to there bodies is there business. I do have problem with people hurting others.... like animals, but again it is there personal choice, and I can't change how people choose to eat. > > --- On Sat, 8/16/08, Jan <starfishgirl529@ ...> wrote: > > Jan <starfishgirl529@ ...> > Re: Vegetarians > > Saturday, August 16, 2008, 2:09 PM Thank you for your very kind reply, but respectfully, why should we care what someone else calls theirself? > > Jan > > Click on the " Fund Food for Animals " button at The Animal > Rescue Site and give food to an animal living in a shelter > or sanctuary -- at no cost to you. > http://www.theanima lrescuesite. com/tpc/ERA_ 091907_ARS > > > Robin Chaloune <rchaloune > > > Saturday, August 16, 2008 1:54:07 PM > Re: Vegetarians > > I honestly think you are right as well, the problem is the labels. If we label are self vegan, pecsotarians, vegetarians, or anything we must follow what the " term " means, or do not claim it. > --- On Sat, 8/16/08, Jan <starfishgirl529@ > wrote: > > Jan <starfishgirl529@ > > Re: Vegetarians > > Saturday, August 16, 2008, 1:33 PM > > I thought this group was for people in many different phases and positions. What should one person care what someone else refers to theirself as? Is it any of our concern? I don't expect anyone to think the sameway I do, and I sure hope they don't expect me to think the same as them. > > Jan > > Click on the " Fund Food for Animals " button at The Animal > Rescue Site and give food to an animal living in a shelter > or sanctuary -- at no cost to you. > http://www.theanima lrescuesite. com/tpc/ERA_ 091907_ARS > > > " drpatsant " <drpatsant > > > Saturday, August 16, 2008 1:02:43 PM > Vegetarians > > I sympathize with the problem of non-vegetarians calling themselves vegetarians (often because they believe that's what they are), because it confuses the general populace Restaurant menus and newspaper articles easily show what ignorance there is on the subject. This makes it harder for vegetarians to be understood. One of the uses of this group, it would seem, would be to help those interested in vegetarianism to find their way to a meat-free and perhaps ultimately to a plant-based diet And of course we would like to encourage, rather than discourage, those members who are now or think they may soon be in transition! > > A thought: People are interested in vegetarianism for many reasons, some overlapping. Sometimes it is because of the animals, sometimes the planet, sometimes world hunger, sometimes religious or cultural taboos, sometimes health, sometimes individual taste, sometimes a weight-loss strategy, sometimes personal philosophy. All are valid. > > Let's agree here that Vegetarian means no animal flesh, including all creatures of the land, water or air, nor products from those creatures such as stock, gelatin, etc., and that vegetarians may or may not choose to eat eggs and/or dairy. (Vegans would omit any products from living animals such as eggs and dairy and Lifestyle Vegans usually extend that to products they wear and use in their day-to-day living as far as is practical and possible.) > > Okay? > > Love and hugs, Pat > > > > Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted August 16, 2008 Report Share Posted August 16, 2008 well said. Jan Click on the " Fund Food for Animals " button at The Animal Rescue Site and give food to an animal living in a shelter or sanctuary -- at no cost to you. http://www.theanimalrescuesite.com/tpc/ERA_091907_ARS Robin Chaloune <rchaloune Saturday, August 16, 2008 3:27:35 PM Re: Re: Vegetarians caring is one thing, but my point is you can't change people. I do not eat meat, because I do not want to aide in the distruction of animals and our planet either, but I do not judge either, it is not my place. People sure try to change others and never learn it is impossible. One must make thta choice regardless what is it. Education is the key to EVERYTHING. So educating people in a constructive way is the best way to help. To answer the other question ...I must look within myself and ask why I am labling myself. It seems lables no matter what they are for is how people somwhat define themself. One could say this is true for color, sexual perference etc... You do not hear meat eaters say, I am a meateater. --- On Sat, 8/16/08, erinc_dale <erin.c.dale@ gmail.com> wrote: erinc_dale <erin.c.dale@ gmail.com> Re: Vegetarians Saturday, August 16, 2008, 3:17 PM See, I do care about what other people choose to put in their bodies, because I care about animal welfare and the planet. But it's not my job to tell others what to do; just to lead as an example and offer insight where I may. As I said before, there is a problem if people label themselves as something but don't follow through. It causes problems for the rest of us; it leads to more and more confusion. The meat-eating culture already has a hard time understanding and accepting vegetarianism, let alone veganism. So why make it any more difficult? So let's unite on this; let's be consistent. Stick to your guns, people. I'm reminded of a yoga instructor I know: She says she's a vegetarian, and she is. She's practically a vegan, but since she isn't, she doesn't mislead people; instead, she'll say, " I would be a vegan, but I cheat. I like cheese! " See? At least she's honest. What's so wrong with asking people to be honest? Is it so wrong to care about what other human beings are eating? Is it wrong to care about the impact it has on the rest of the planet? Do we need to get into the horrors of factory farming? No? I didn't think so. You can all research that stuff for yourselves. But please, don't just sweep this issue under the rug. That's wrong. I hate to be a buzzkill, and I didn't want this to be such a big deal, but when people question why compassionate vegetarians should care... my reaction is, how can we not?!? , Robin Chaloune <rchaloune@. ..> wrote: > > I really don't. What others do to there bodies is there business. I do have problem with people hurting others.... like animals, but again it is there personal choice, and I can't change how people choose to eat. > > --- On Sat, 8/16/08, Jan <starfishgirl529@ ...> wrote: > > Jan <starfishgirl529@ ...> > Re: Vegetarians > > Saturday, August 16, 2008, 2:09 PM Thank you for your very kind reply, but respectfully, why should we care what someone else calls theirself? > > Jan > > Click on the " Fund Food for Animals " button at The Animal > Rescue Site and give food to an animal living in a shelter > or sanctuary -- at no cost to you. > http://www.theanima lrescuesite. com/tpc/ERA_ 091907_ARS > > > Robin Chaloune <rchaloune > > > Saturday, August 16, 2008 1:54:07 PM > Re: Vegetarians > > I honestly think you are right as well, the problem is the labels. If we label are self vegan, pecsotarians, vegetarians, or anything we must follow what the " term " means, or do not claim it. > --- On Sat, 8/16/08, Jan <starfishgirl529@ > wrote: > > Jan <starfishgirl529@ > > Re: Vegetarians > > Saturday, August 16, 2008, 1:33 PM > > I thought this group was for people in many different phases and positions. What should one person care what someone else refers to theirself as? Is it any of our concern? I don't expect anyone to think the sameway I do, and I sure hope they don't expect me to think the same as them. > > Jan > > Click on the " Fund Food for Animals " button at The Animal > Rescue Site and give food to an animal living in a shelter > or sanctuary -- at no cost to you. > http://www.theanima lrescuesite. com/tpc/ERA_ 091907_ARS > > > " drpatsant " <drpatsant > > > Saturday, August 16, 2008 1:02:43 PM > Vegetarians > > I sympathize with the problem of non-vegetarians calling themselves vegetarians (often because they believe that's what they are), because it confuses the general populace Restaurant menus and newspaper articles easily show what ignorance there is on the subject. This makes it harder for vegetarians to be understood. One of the uses of this group, it would seem, would be to help those interested in vegetarianism to find their way to a meat-free and perhaps ultimately to a plant-based diet And of course we would like to encourage, rather than discourage, those members who are now or think they may soon be in transition! > > A thought: People are interested in vegetarianism for many reasons, some overlapping. Sometimes it is because of the animals, sometimes the planet, sometimes world hunger, sometimes religious or cultural taboos, sometimes health, sometimes individual taste, sometimes a weight-loss strategy, sometimes personal philosophy. All are valid. > > Let's agree here that Vegetarian means no animal flesh, including all creatures of the land, water or air, nor products from those creatures such as stock, gelatin, etc., and that vegetarians may or may not choose to eat eggs and/or dairy. (Vegans would omit any products from living animals such as eggs and dairy and Lifestyle Vegans usually extend that to products they wear and use in their day-to-day living as far as is practical and possible.) > > Okay? > > Love and hugs, Pat > > > > Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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