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[Guest guest]

, Corey <isomorphics@e...> wrote:

 

> Every part of me says take it slow and learn your diet and

how your

> body is handling each transition. I've seen too many people

clueless

> about health and neutrition jump head first into a vegan diet and

do

> more harm to themselves than good.

 

I am reading all that I can both books from the library and online

about the transitioning thing. That's one reason I decided I really

don't think that I could just wake up one day and become a

vegeatarian. I know there are those out there who've done this, and

I really admire them.

But, I'm really a more slow and steady type person. I've also

realized that new changes that I introduce seem to stay with me this

way much better.

[Guest guest]

, " Lisa Bakalars " <papresq@c...>

wrote:

>

> http://www.vegsource.com/jo/books/index.htm

>

> Jo's book on Uncheeses rocks...if you love dairy...buy this book!

>

> Lisa

 

Wow! Thanks so much Lisa! I'll take all of the book

recommendations that I can get. I've checked a few dozen or so out

from the library, but I would really like to start a vegetarian

library at home.

This will be the first one I order! Thanks again for the suggestion!

Michelle

[Guest guest]

nutritional yeast is a great source. after a while I

was hooked and use it on tons of dishes.

 

geoff

 

--- Vegan Rose <veganrose wrote:

 

> Hello Corey,

> I'm also a new vegetarian (and new to this list). My

> husband and I stopped

> eating all meat a couple of months ago, and I'm

> weaning off dairy. Do you

> have any recommendations for brands of B12 vegan

> supplements?

>

> Rhonda

 

 

 

 

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[Guest guest]

if you haven't read it yet, the book " Becoming Vegan "

is a great primer on vegan health. i recommend it to

anyone making or considering the switch.

 

thanks,

geoff

 

--- Corey <isomorphics wrote:

 

> Hello Michelle,

 

> As for B-12, it is possible for a vegan to get all

> the required B-12 without eating milk, eggs, meat,

> and cheese. Unfortunately, the fact that it is

> possible to do this doesn't mean that people do it

> correctly. In fact, I recommend that people find a

> good vegan supplement to take for B-12 needs, if

> they are not sure they are getting enough B-12 in

> their diet. Just make sure the capsule linings are

> vegan.

 

>

> Corey...

 

 

 

 

 

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[Guest guest]

, Geoff Evans <buffalodisc>

wrote:

>

> if you haven't read it yet, the book " Becoming Vegan "

> is a great primer on vegan health. i recommend it to

> anyone making or considering the switch.

>

> thanks,

> geoff

 

Thanks so much for the suggestion Geoff! I appreciate you posting.

Michelle

[Guest guest]

I don't know much about hemp seed myself (I'm pleading the 5th amendment here) but I heard that beans, grains and dark leafy greens eaten in any ratio top you off on all eight (including the 9th) essential amino acids.

Being that I'm military and having a CDL, I would be careful about eating anything that could make me come up positive on a urinalysis test.

 

Rickcheles2kids <cheles2kids wrote:

I've never even heard of Hemp seed? This is interesting stuff!

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[Guest guest]

My library didn't have "Becoming Vegan", but it did have "Becoming Vegetarian" by the same authors. I read that and "The Vegetarian Way" by Virginia Messina & Mark Messina. Loved both books!

 

One of the best free starter kits I've received is from Vegan Outreach. Unlike the ones I got from PETA and Compassion Over Killing, the one from Vegan Outreach had a lot of info on vegan health issues. But the one from PETA came with a free DVD, so that made it worth ordering too.

 

My next goal is to get my hands on Jo's Ultimate Uncheese Cookbook. I love cheese, but won't touch the real thing anymore since watching PETA's "Meet Your Meat" DVD.

 

Rhonda

 

 

----

 

> if you haven't read it yet, the book "Becoming Vegan"

> is a great primer on vegan health. i recommend it to

> anyone making or considering the switch.

>

> thanks,

> geoff

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

[Guest guest]

I'll have to bully someone in town to stock it, or buy it online.

 

Rhonda

 

 

----

 

nutritional yeast is a great source. after a while I

was hooked and use it on tons of dishes.

 

geoff

 

[Guest guest]

Vegan Rose wrote:

>Do you have any recommendations for brands of B12 vegan supplements?

 

hey there,

you don't really need a b12 supplement if you make sure you get it

in other ways. between fortified foods and nutritional yeast you can

way more then you need. nutritional yeast is a better way to get it

since eating fortified foods means eating packaged processed foods. also

remember that you need very little and your body stores b12 so you don't

need to eat it every day, although i could nutritional yeast every day

i love it so much.

peace

jeff

[Guest guest]

Hello Rhonda,

 

 

I believe that Hallelujah Acres put out either a vegan B-12 or vegan

B-complex formula recently. I'm not near my vitamin cabenit at the

moment, so I am not certain which brand I've been using lately. Like

many folks I tend to stick with using neutritional yeast, but the

important thing with that is that you do not buy it in see through

packages. Light exposure can ruin B-12. So, I tend to get neutritional

yeast in a can instead of a see through package when I can find it.

But, what I do not know is what a manufacturing company does with the

neutritional yeast before it packages it in a can. Does it get exposed

to heat, light, or other things that can ruin the quality of the B-12?

And should I risk my health on the hope that that isn't happening to

it? Note, I am all for eating neutritional yeast as a source of B-12.

But, my belief is that when you are talking about something essential

that your body must have, you want to make certain that you are getting

it from more than a single source if possible. The number 1 reason why

most people get sick or fail with a vegan diet is because their diet is

too restricted when it comes to accounting for the essential components

of their diet.

 

 

Corey...

 

> Hello Corey,

> I'm also a new vegetarian (and new to this list). My

> husband and I stopped

> eating all meat a couple of months ago, and I'm

> weaning off dairy. Do you

> have any recommendations for brands of B12 vegan

> supplements?

>

> Rhonda

 

 

 

 

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[Guest guest]

Thank you, Jeff. I just need to find a source for nutritional yeast.

 

Rhonda

 

 

----

 

>Do you have any recommendations for brands of B12 vegan supplements?

 

hey there,

you don't really need a b12 supplement if you make sure you get it

in other ways. between fortified foods and nutritional yeast you can

way more then you need. nutritional yeast is a better way to get it

since eating fortified foods means eating packaged processed foods. also

remember that you need very little and your body stores b12 so you don't

need to eat it every day, although i could nutritional yeast every day

i love it so much.

peace

jeff

 

 

[Guest guest]

Thank you, Corey.

 

 

----

 

But, my belief is that when you are talking about something essential

that your body must have, you want to make certain that you are getting

it from more than a single source if possible. The number 1 reason why

most people get sick or fail with a vegan diet is because their diet is

too restricted when it comes to accounting for the essential components

of their diet.

 

 

Corey...

 

[Guest guest]

it keeps well, so ordering it off the internet should

not be a huge problem. Try:

http://www.veganessentials.com/catalog/red-star-nutritional-yeast.htm

 

-m

 

--- Vegan Rose <veganrose wrote:

 

> I'll have to bully someone in town to stock it, or

> buy it online.

>

> Rhonda

>

>

> ----

>

> nutritional yeast is a great source. after a while

> I

> was hooked and use it on tons of dishes.

>

> geoff

>

[Guest guest]

Rhonda,

 

A lot of vegan and vegetarian prepared foods are enriched with vitamin B-12. For example, a cup of Silk soy milk has 50% of the RDA, so I just drink a few glasses of it a day and don't worry about taking a B-12 supplement. Some veggie meat alternatives are enriched too, as well as some breakfast cereals. Best wishes!

 

MaryVegan Rose <veganrose wrote:

 

 

 

 

 

Hello Corey,

I'm also a new vegetarian (and new to this list). My husband and I stopped eating all meat a couple of months ago, and I'm weaning off dairy. Do you have any recommendations for brands of B12 vegan supplements?

 

Rhonda

 

 

----

In fact, I recommend that people find a good vegan supplement to take for B-12 needs, if they are not sure they are getting enough B-12 in their diet. Just make sure the capsule linings are vegan.

Corey...

[Guest guest]

Thanks, Mary. I do drink fortified soymilk, and I take a daily vitamin.

Because of my diabetes I have to have a blood work up every 3 months, so I

ll just have my doctor keep track of my B12 as well. If I need to take a

supplement down the road I'll do it then. Until then I'll keep drinking my

soymilk and find a source for nutritional yeast (which I want to do anyway

because I want to try some "uncheese" recipes). I'm most interested in

finding Red Star Vegetarian Support Formula.

 

Rhonda

 

 

----

 

 

Rhonda,

 

A lot of vegan and vegetarian prepared foods are enriched with vitamin B-12.

For example, a cup of Silk soy milk has 50% of the RDA, so I just drink a

few glasses of it a day and don't worry about taking a B-12 supplement. Some

veggie meat alternatives are enriched too, as well as some breakfast cereals

Best wishes!

 

Mary

[Guest guest]

Hi Gail,

 

Welcome to the Radiant Vegetarian Group, were glad to your here.

Congradulations on

steping out of the Lurking Mode. I laughed when reading about " spaghetti and

marinara "

being the only menu item available, sure can understand how you felt.

 

What may be helpful to you is in the Files section to the left of the page.

Please review this

for the protein gram listings in foods. Heather put this together and did an

amazing job.

 

Let us know how it's going.

 

Smile,

 

Bob

 

 

>

> Hello all,

>

> My name is Gail (I post on the main list as Gail S.) and I have been on Step

Seven since

last October. I joined this list today, primarily to get some new ideas for

meals - I have

grown a bit bored with my own cooking!

>

> I have been vegetarian since 1969 -- back when literally the only restaurant

food

available was spaghetti with marinara -- was vegan for many years, now have

added in

some animal foods (eggs, lactose-free dairy, and very occasionally, fish) as I

found it

challenging to get enough protein without overdoing the soy and/or processed

foods.

>

> I need about 22 grams of protein at each meal, and always welcome

suggestions! I

raised three vegetarian kids (all grown), so happy to offer advice there if

needed.

>

> Glad to be here.

> Gail

>

>

>

>

> Get on board. You're invited to try the new Mail.

>

[Guest guest]

Thanks for the nice welcome! I did check out the recipes, and will try them one at a time. GailBob <yogabob7 wrote: Hi Gail,Welcome to the Radiant Vegetarian Group, were glad to your here. Congradulations on steping out of the Lurking Mode. I laughed when reading about "spaghetti and marinara" being the only menu item available, sure can understand how you felt. What may be helpful to you is in the Files section to the left of the page. Please review this for the protein gram listings in foods. Heather put this together and did an amazing job.Let us know how it's going.Smile,Bob>> Hello all,> > My name is Gail (I post on the main list as Gail S.) and I have been on Step Seven since last October. I joined this list

today, primarily to get some new ideas for meals - I have grown a bit bored with my own cooking!> > I have been vegetarian since 1969 -- back when literally the only restaurant food available was spaghetti with marinara -- was vegan for many years, now have added in some animal foods (eggs, lactose-free dairy, and very occasionally, fish) as I found it challenging to get enough protein without overdoing the soy and/or processed foods.> > I need about 22 grams of protein at each meal, and always welcome suggestions! I raised three vegetarian kids (all grown), so happy to offer advice there if needed.> > Glad to be here.> Gail> > > > > Get on board. You're invited to try the new Mail.>

[Guest guest]

welcome Rosieliz!

 

know you'll get some good practical advice here from everyone!

 

I thought I would pass on Kathleens post - its 1808 if you want to

look it up - because youve been around a long time ( sorry dont mean

to make you sound like Old Mother Hubbard lol) and Kathleen lately

made it very simple =

 

Kathleen wrote:

 

We set the list up to support those of you who are vegetarian ( or

wanting to be so) to learn how to do the

seven steps and do the program in that context.

 

A lot of energy went into the whole issue of what and how to count as

protein grams. I would like to reframe

that question this time around. What I would like to suggest is that

you learn the steps and do the steps just like anyone else.

 

This means looking at your protein needs with the same ratio - ie .4

- .6 grams of protein for each pound of your body weight each day.

When you count proteins, just count dense sources like beans, tofu,

tempeh, nuts, protein powders, eggs and cheese. Do not get into

counting the protein in breads and other grains or carbs. See how

this comes in.

 

Let's talk about this. And let's talk about how you feel. What is

key is that you are getting enough to eat and on time.

 

It is totally possible to do the program as vegetarian. It simply

means learning how much protein your sources have.

 

So the focus will be on the steps....how to do them and h ow to make

wonderful food that you love.

 

......................................................................

 

so, for me, it seems a lot easier - dont have to over think it, just

count protein, same as usual! hope that reassures you.

 

 

have a look in Files and Heather left a great chart on vegetarian

protein sources for you to look up .

 

and baby steps, journal, listen, so its just what you are used to. Im

a Bean Queen, so I like chickpea and tomato stew for lunch. Im

working on Cinzias tofu recipe just up the page a bit! A fantastic

start for a tofu novice.

 

what foods do you both fancy to start off with?

mosaic

 

 

 

 

, " rovingrosey "

<rambling.rosey wrote:

>

> Hi,

> I see a lot of familiar names here (waving). My husband and I are

wanting to veer gradually

> toward a more vegetarian diet. I'm on Step 7, and he's on Step 3.

>

> We've eaten a lot of beef and pork on the program. But, as some of

you know, he was

> recently diagnosed with prostate cancer. While we explore treatment

options, the one thing

> he wants to do is " clean up his act " in the food and drink

department. Alcohol, beef and pork

> are outta here. We're not ready to give up chicken and fish because

we don't know how we'd

> get enough protein otherwise. We don't eat a lot of eggs and dairy,

and really don't want to

> increase that. So I'm here to learn what I can do to move us

gradually in the direction we

> want to go. I need about 25 grams per meal and he needs about 33.

Suggestions are

> welcome....please. :-)

>

> Many thanks,

>

> Rosieliz

>

[Guest guest]

Hi RosieLiz (wave back),

 

I see you've gotten some good responses. I just want to

encourage you first that if you are eating fish and chicken,

you will able to find protein even moving more in the vegetarian

direction. I also want to encourage you to move gradually like

you suggested.

 

I am gradually eating less meat. I am so glad to have my journal,

because one day I was getting uncharacteristically irritable, and

5 days had gone by without any meat, when I was used to having

it every day. So I slowed down my change and haven't had

problems since. I don't eat much dairy either. I am currently able

to stay steady with meat every two days.

 

Wishing you and your husband well,

 

JoEllen

 

 

 

 

 

, " rovingrosey " <rambling.rosey

wrote:

>

> Hi,

> I see a lot of familiar names here (waving). My husband and I are wanting to

veer

gradually

> toward a more vegetarian diet. I'm on Step 7, and he's on Step 3.

>

> We've eaten a lot of beef and pork on the program. But, as some of you know,

he was

> recently diagnosed with prostate cancer. While we explore treatment options,

the one

thing

> he wants to do is " clean up his act " in the food and drink department.

Alcohol, beef and

pork

> are outta here. We're not ready to give up chicken and fish because we don't

know how

we'd

> get enough protein otherwise. We don't eat a lot of eggs and dairy, and really

don't want

to

> increase that. So I'm here to learn what I can do to move us gradually in the

direction we

> want to go. I need about 25 grams per meal and he needs about 33. Suggestions

are

> welcome....please. :-)

>

> Many thanks,

>

> Rosieliz

>

[Guest guest]

Hi Rosieliz, nice to see you here (waving back)!

 

It's quite enjoyable to include more vegetarian foods in your diet.

I think one of the best benefits of investigating veggie foods is

the amazing variety that opens up (especially for beans & grains

that most meat eaters aren't familiar with).

 

I didn't eat meat for 25 years until about a year ago when my body

said she wanted meat. I eat bison (American buffalo), turkey

breast, and lamb but not every day. Still, I love my veggie food

and am always on the lookout for more ideas.

 

Do you like soy? Lots of variety there -- plain tofu, flavored

tofu, tempeh (cultured soybeans), boiled soybeans (edamame), soy

protein powder.

 

If you eat wheat, seitan (made from the protein part of the wheat)

might be an option for a dense protein. You can buy it pre-made or

make it yourself.

 

Beans (legumes) and pulses (lentils) are terrific protein sources.

 

I like to combine proteins in a single meal -- I might have one egg

plus some tofu (with brown rice and veggies)or some cottage cheese

plus some beans or some seitan plus beans...you get the idea. Or

make a lentil loaf that includes nuts & maybe cheese. SOmetimes I

use nuts or seeds to " top up " my protein.

 

Of course, you could also use some of the meats you still eat or

fish as part of your protein in a given meal.

 

Do check out the resources in the Files section for more suggestions

and info. There are lots of veggie recipes on the web, and veggie

cookbooks. And keep posting -- we do share recipes here, so you

might come across one that looks good to you. Or ask!

cheers, Cinzia

 

 

 

, " rovingrosey "

<rambling.rosey wrote:

>

> Hi,

> I see a lot of familiar names here (waving). My husband and I are

wanting to veer gradually

> toward a more vegetarian diet. I'm on Step 7, and he's on Step 3.

>

[Guest guest]

Thank you Mosaic, JoEllen and Cinzia. Your suggestions are really helpful. I'll

start very

gradually incorporating them into our meals. In the meantime, I'll hang around

and pick up

other ideas.

 

Rosieliz

[Guest guest]

Hi there,

I am not only new to the list, but also a very new veggie, and frankly still a

little overwhelmed. My transition has been threatening over the years, but the

last straw came a few days ago when I found something I'd rather not mention on

my plate, obviously from my beautiful piece of fish. Not my first run-in with my

food! I'd like to say my switch from dedicated carnivore to a non-meat way of

life is spiritually based, but it is mostly in response to how disgusting the

meat itself has become (to me). I've done a good job of not thinking too hard

about the cruelty part ... until now.

 

So, here I am, a 53 year old average person making a HUGE commitment and change

in my life. I am married, a grandmother, with grown kids. Hubby and children

don't care and will be considerate, if not downright supportive. The rest of my

family, such as siblings, parents, etc., are another story, and I would love to

hear how others have handled their own transitions. Recipes are also needed so

the rest of my family doesn't have to feel they are going veggie along with me.

 

Thanks!

 

 

Pat

 

 

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www.TodayPromise.com

       

 

 

[Guest guest]

Hi Pat.

Good luck with your new diet.

If you fall off the wagon once in a while, just get back on it.

As for other people, if they are the fortunate recipients of your cooking in

the first place, they have no business complaining about what you cook (or

don't cook).

I used to get this fantastic vegetarian magazine; it always inspired me to

try a bunch of things. vegetarian times, it's called. there were so many

suggestions in each one that I let my subscription lapse after one year so I

would have a chance to try them before collecting more.

I post recipes to my webpage (link below) on a rotating basis. One that you

might like is what I called Sweet n' Sour Delish; it's tofu 'meatballs' and

everyone loves them, even those who are tofu-phobic. I'll attach the file

for you. These should be good with a tomato sauce too though I've never

tried.

 

Kate

 

******Stubblejumpers Cafe******

http://stubblejumperscafe.pnn.com

 

 

 

[Guest guest]

Hi there Pat (from another Pat) -

 

Welcome to our group! I'm so pleased you've decided to join in with us veggies -

it's the best way to go, isn't it??!

 

Actually, you know, it sounds like an enormous change in your life (and I do

sympathize because I remember vaguely when I made the change) but it's not that

difficult really. Just remember when you eat at home or eat out: no animal

flesh, including animals that walk, jump, crawl, fly, swim or sit around on

rocks waiting to be discovered by a talent scout That pretty well sums it up

- except to watch out for dead animal products in food such as stocks and

gelatin. (Read those Ingredients in the fine print on the labels - I carry a

little magnifier to foil the wretched printers who think we shouldn't be able to

read what they've put there! LOL)

 

And now, get yourself all set for a wonderful culinary adventure. This is SPICE

group, so there are lots of exciting ways to make those veggies taste absolutely

wonderful even to a new vegetarian! (If you don't like things VERY hot and

spicy, you can always tone it down a bit, right? But if you love it like most of

us, you'll wonder why you didn't do this years ago!)

 

Check out our Files. One of my co-owners, Marie, is in the middle of (well,

towards the end of, actually) rearranging the Files so that not only are recipes

to be files in the ethnic/regional folders, but also under their ingredients.

This is a huge job that she, as a dedicated vegetarian and foodie has taken upon

herself to do over the last few months. Huge!!!!

 

As for your awakening to the need to go veggie - I know how it feels. I had

mixed reasons (as I recall) for going veggie way back when, but the reinforcing

reasons have emerged over time. Don't sweat it. Just do it because you think

it's a good thing to do, and you can't go far wrong

 

If you need to ask questions, please do! We love to help!!

 

For myself, I am now, as is my husband, vegan - and that works well for us too.

But most members here are vegetarian, and that's what you'll mostly find in the

chat and in the files.

 

Looking forward to talking to you!

 

Best,

 

Pat, Co-owner with Marie and Piers

 

 

---

http://beanvegan.blogspot.com

http://www.vegandonelight.com/spice

" The world is a stage, but the play is badly cast. " (Oscar Wilde)

 

 

 

 

________________________________

Pat <p.stone01

 

Tuesday, January 13, 2009 10:05:26 AM

New Here

 

Hi there,

I am not only new to the list, but also a very new veggie, and frankly still a

little overwhelmed. My transition has been threatening over the years, but the

last straw came a few days ago when I found something I'd rather not mention on

my plate, obviously from my beautiful piece of fish. Not my first run-in with my

food! I'd like to say my switch from dedicated carnivore to a non-meat way of

life is spiritually based, but it is mostly in response to how disgusting the

meat itself has become (to me). I've done a good job of not thinking too hard

about the cruelty part ... until now.

 

So, here I am, a 53 year old average person making a HUGE commitment and change

in my life. I am married, a grandmother, with grown kids. Hubby and children

don't care and will be considerate, if not downright supportive. The rest of my

family, such as siblings, parents, etc., are another story, and I would love to

hear how others have handled their own transitions. Recipes are also needed so

the rest of my family doesn't have to feel they are going veggie along with me.

 

Thanks!

 

 

Pat

 

 

visit my site

www.TodayPromise.com