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[Guest guest]

Starting with Question 3:

 

3. I guess you'd say I'm " lurking. " Probably some day I'll get back to

spending more time on creative food preparation. On that day it'll be

great to be able to choose and adapt recipes from among the wealth

offered here.

 

1. When I joined I wasn't a " vegetarian " (a person who consumes dairy

products) and I wasn't a vegan. I was a khessedan--someone who eats low

on the cruelty scale. That means I ate no dairy foods at all, because

of knowing that dairy cows and their male calves are abused. And it

means I ate wild-caught fish--because the fish had enjoyed a free life

up until their last few moments. It also means I ate lots of soy

protein. But after several years of that regimen I've come to suspect

that the soy protein may have caused a thyroid imbalance.

 

A very positive note on the low-cruelty front is that here in California

we've passed a ballot initiative that will (by 2011, if I recall

correctly) limit factory-farm abuses of animals. The delay is to give

businesses time to adjust their operations.

 

The Vegetarian Spice group will be important even for someone who's not

vegetarian, not vegan, and no longer strictly khessedan, because for

health reasons we need to maximize vegetable consumption. Thank you to

everyone who contributes.

 

Lynn

 

 

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21 May 2009

drpatsant

 

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1. Did you join this group to help you BECOME vegetarian (or vegan) - or

were you ALREADY veggie? (Additional comments would be helpful.)

 

2. Did you joing this group to be able to access the recipe Files or is

that just a bonus?

 

3. Are you now or were you ever a lurker? If so, why? If not, why not?

 

OTHER THOUGHTS OR COMMENTS?

 

<snip>

[Guest guest]

Hi Lynne,

 

I've not run across the term Khessedan previously (I must lead a sheltered life,

eh?) - and looking it up didn't help either. Origins???

 

I agree, more veggies are very important for improved health! And of course

anyone, including those who are non-vegetarian, is welcome here - although we do

expect members to express an interest in 'vegetarian topics' (as per our web

page) and have respect for vegetarian lifestyle and values. There are lots of

groups that encourage vegetables and include animal flesh in their diets, so

it's not as if we were the only option for those trying to improve their health.

Indeed, I used to be on an excellent wholefoods group that was omni.

 

And in case anyone thinks I've lost the plot (and it's been known to happen!), I

do remember that the intent of this group is not as a health group - there are

lots of vegetarian and vegan groups for that - nor even a weight-loss group

Not that we're against health or healthy weight LOL

 

But tell me about 'khessedan' as a word (don't need to hear about what animal

flesh is eaten, since I get the import of its meaning). Interesting.

 

Love, Pat

 

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http://www.vegandonelight.com/spice

http://beanvegan.blogspot.com

http://river-rambles.blogspot.com

" As long as you derive inner help and comfort from anything, keep it. " Mahatma

Gandhi.

 

 

 

 

________________________________

Lynn (1StraightArrow) <dayrain

 

Saturday, May 23, 2009 5:41:23 AM

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MEMBERS]]

 

Starting with Question 3:

 

3. I guess you'd say I'm " lurking. " Probably some day I'll get back to

spending more time on creative food preparation. On that day it'll be

great to be able to choose and adapt recipes from among the wealth

offered here.

 

1. When I joined I wasn't a " vegetarian " (a person who consumes dairy

products) and I wasn't a vegan. I was a khessedan--someone who eats low

on the cruelty scale. That means I ate no dairy foods at all, because

of knowing that dairy cows and their male calves are abused. And it

means I ate wild-caught fish--because the fish had enjoyed a free life

up until their last few moments. It also means I ate lots of soy

protein. But after several years of that regimen I've come to suspect

that the soy protein may have caused a thyroid imbalance.

 

A very positive note on the low-cruelty front is that here in California

we've passed a ballot initiative that will (by 2011, if I recall

correctly) limit factory-farm abuses of animals. The delay is to give

businesses time to adjust their operations.

 

The Vegetarian Spice group will be important even for someone who's not

vegetarian, not vegan, and no longer strictly khessedan, because for

health reasons we need to maximize vegetable consumption. Thank you to

everyone who contributes.

 

Lynn

 

 

-

21 May 2009

drpatsant

 

<snip>

 

1. Did you join this group to help you BECOME vegetarian (or vegan) - or

were you ALREADY veggie? (Additional comments would be helpful.)

 

2. Did you joing this group to be able to access the recipe Files or is

that just a bonus?

 

3. Are you now or were you ever a lurker? If so, why? If not, why not?

 

OTHER THOUGHTS OR COMMENTS?

 

<snip>

 

 

 

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[Guest guest]

Khessedan doesn't even show up in Google. (So it must not exist, huh? ;-)

 

The concept as describes fits me well. I had found " The Hippy Gourmet's Quick

and Simple Cookbook for Healthy Eating " last year. He described that he was a

pescatarian, which I had also not heard before. That pretty well fit me, but I

like that added tone of concern defined in " khessedan " . The Hippy Gourmet

actually expressed that level of concern in his discussion on pescatarian, so

they are similar to that regard.

 

+ John

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

I've not run across the term Khessedan previously (I must lead a sheltered

life, eh?) - and looking it up didn't help either. Origins???

 

 

.

 

 

 

 

[Guest guest]

Thanks, Lynn, for this great new (to me) word!  I'm the same as you are about

fish.  Yes, I do still feel sorry for the fishies, but at least they lived a

free life in their natural habitat.  I do try to avoid farmed fish, for health

reasons as well as ethics.  I'm blessed to live in Florida in that sense, being

surrounded by water  )

 

I just wanted to thank Lynn for sharing that word and her philosophy on being a

pesco.  Please no hate mail.  Please just be happy that I whittled away red meat

many years ago, and poultry for the last few.  I promise not to say anything

further about my consumption.  And I will say that being a vegan does appeal to

me.

 

 

--- On Sat, 5/23/09, Lynn (1StraightArrow) <dayrain wrote:

 

 I was a khessedan--someone who eats low

 

on the cruelty scale. That means I ate no dairy foods at all, because

 

of knowing that dairy cows and their male calves are abused. And it

 

means I ate wild-caught fish--because the fish had enjoyed a free life

 

up until their last few moments.

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

[Guest guest]

Hi John,

 

Thanks for your input here - very useful. I also find that merciful eating is a

comforting thought - as is merciful living - but eating wild fish doesn't really

help much because the poor creature is still killed instead of continuing to

live free. One might just as well argue that putting a bullet in, say, one of a

herd of wild deer would be 'merciful', although I am aware that many people

think that there is and should be a hierarchy or animal life, mammals at the top

and fish/sea creatures followed by insect life, etc., at the bottom And this

is where I go on record as saying: We do not _need_ to eat animal flesh in any

form - and by 'animal' vegetarians mean the flesh of any once-living creature,

including those that fly, swim, crawl, etc. OK, finished now

 

I haven't read the book you mention. I'll see if it's in our library (it's a

good library!) but I won't purchase it if it advocates eating non-veggie things.

 

'Pescatarian' is a useful word. It correctly describes those who eat no animal

flesh _except_ for fish, regardless of whether or not they eat eggs and/or

dairy. Some say 'pesco-vegetarian' but that makes as much sense as saying

'pollo-vegetarian' (meaning those who eat chicken) or 'pesco-pollo-vegetarian' -

both of which make the rounds occasionally - since it negates the concept

'vegetarian'. There are several pescatarians on this group, some of whom plan to

give up the pesco part of their diet in future and others who don't. We're a

varied lot, aren't we!

 

(Just checked my library online. Nope. They don't have the book.)

 

Best, Pat

 

---

http://www.vegandonelight.com/spice

http://beanvegan.blogspot.com

http://river-rambles.blogspot.com

" As long as you derive inner help and comfort from anything, keep it. " Mahatma

Gandhi.

 

 

 

 

________________________________

The concept as describes fits me well. I had found " The Hippy Gourmet's Quick

and Simple Cookbook for Healthy Eating " last year. He described that he was a

pescatarian, which I had also not heard before. That pretty well fit me, but I

like that added tone of concern defined in " khessedan " . The Hippy Gourmet

actually expressed that level of concern in his discussion on pescatarian, so

they are similar to that regard.

 

+ John

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

I've not run across the term Khessedan previously (I must lead a sheltered

life, eh?) - and looking it up didn't help either. Origins???

 

 

.