re: fairness - Rain

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Not forgetting, not overlooking, just asking that we don't discuss eating and/or

enjoying animal flesh on this group. By all means do it elsewhere. And not

asking anyone to lie either - just don't get into that kind of discussion.

Likewise, we don't ask people to 'lie' about politics or religion - we just

don't discuss it here.

 

It's always been that way on this group and I see no reason to change those

particular rules at this time. They work for most of us. I'm sorry if they don't

for you. But I guess we'll all live through it

 

Best, Pat

 

 

 

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Sunday, May 24, 2009 7:57:15 PM

Re: re: fairness

 

drpatsant wrote:

> Whoops. This is getting a bit out of hand. A recent post on this topic

contained the following, but although written by one person it rather speaks to

a problem that many people here are overlooking, so I'll built my comments

around this one.

 

You're forgetting something important (and please hear me all the way

out before you decide what you think): Many if not most committed

vegetarians who didn't grow up that way. . .(and I believe I recall that

converts are the majority). . . MISS the taste of some form of meat item

at least occasionally. Else why would veggiedogs and soybacon sell so

well and appeal to so many of us? I'm willing to bet that at least 80%

of the adult-convert vegetarians here would tell you meat DID taste good

to them. . . .because it did, and occasionally it's human to miss that.

 

So should we pretend we never really liked it? Never want to find

something veggie that tastes that way without the health or ethical

disadvantages? That's going to rule out a hell of a lot of good recipes.

 

And, more important, _/it falsifies the picture of who we vegetarians

are./_

If the only " real " , " acceptable " vegetarian is someone who never liked

meat in the first place, and never has a moment of missing it, then I'm

screwed, and I KNOW I'm not alone here.

 

Does it mean we're propagandizing for meat? For pity's sake, no.

 

Look, I'm an alcoholic. I haven't has a drink in over two decades, but

when I go to AA meetings, I do have to talk occasionally about what I

drank, and how it felt to enjoy that before it started to bother me. No

one there thinks I'm saying we should all go out and get loaded; no one

there is so afraid of the word ALCOHOL that they get ill or go out and

drink over hearing it. And if they're that sensitive, they will HAVE to

get over it in order to live in a world where most people drink.

 

In fact. . .and I think this is very relevant. . .the new folks just

coming in, newly sober and scared of slipping, are usually delighted and

relieved to know that those of us with a lot of years sober still

think about the taste of a drink every now and then, remember the good

times occasionally, but don't act on it. It means we're not plaster

saints who will be shocked and disapproving if they have thoughts about

it themselves.

 

It's just the truth, and I have to say that it doesn't feel right to be

asked to lie

about an analogous truth here. Owning the truth isn't preaching

carnivorousness.

I understand that the list is for vegetarian recipes and not for

pro-meat rants, but I think you're underestimating some of your most

committed vegetarian users,users and misunderstanding some of the rest.

And I think it's making you feel you need to control things a bit tightly

 

Trust the process, will ya? You have good folks here.

 

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Rain

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[Guest guest]

> I'm sorry if they don't for you. But I guess we'll all live through it

 

That was totally unnecessary.

 

Rain

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